This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the
U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Journalism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
journalism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JournalismWikipedia:WikiProject JournalismTemplate:WikiProject JournalismJournalism articles
I am pretty sure Jack Kerouac coined the term "beat" to describe the generation of the time, not Caen. Anyone concrete on this?—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Asbogle (
talk •
contribs) 09:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Yes, Kerouac did refer to the "Beat generation". Seems Caen the typical journo working for the corporate press was only out to redicule the new swinger music. On the question of the claim that Caen coined the word
hippie, this too is factually incorrect. Evidentally, the word
hipster, was coined in 1940 by
Harry Gibson. Then in 1963 the British band
The Swinging Blue Jeans released their hit song 'Hippy Hippy Shake'. This referring to the new beat music where the youth swung their hips, and the hipsters pants worn by the rebelling British youth.
This reference to Caen needs to be changed?
Mombas 04:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)reply
The article says he coined "beatnik" and "hippie", which are different from (though obviously related to) "beat" and "hippie".
Lagringa 22:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)reply
Untitled
I miss Herb's writing. Sniff.
Obbop (
talk) 01:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC) . . . So do I.
Mercurywoodrose (
talk) 23:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)reply
The World of Herb Caen: San Francisco 1938-1997, Barnaby Conrad -- I've been through this and there's not really much usable there. It's not a bio of Caen and has very little about him personally. It mostly contains memorable column items. I've added some bits and pieces to the article, but as far as I'm concerned there's nothing more to get from this source. EEng 13:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I've added a few images, and swapped some others. Those not currently used I've parked here. I encourage my esteemed fellow editors to shift, swap, adjust, and juggle further, as they see fit.
EEng (
talk) 21:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)reply
He sort of resembles Ed Koch in these pictures. Discerning New Yorkers certainly wouldn't mind trading Koch for Caen.
Trocadero Thunder (
talk) 14:51, 6 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Well have you ever seen them together?
EEng 16:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)reply
GA?
Anyone not think this is ready for GA? I was hoping for a DYK:
... that "Mr. San Francisco" Herb Caen said, "If I do go to heaven, I'll do what every San Franciscan does who goes to heaven. He looks around and says, 'It ain't bad, but it ain't San Francisco'"?
It's not yet at
Good article candidacy status, but could benefit from a formal
peer review. It's written in a familiar, "chummy" style, and there are far too many quotations, which makes this read like a hagiography or fan's tribute, not a dispassionate, formal encyclopedia article (It's also a lazy way to fill space on a screen, but Wikipedia articles have no minimum word count).
--Animalparty! (
talk) 04:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Now and then one runs into someone who thinks that the hallmark of good encyclopedic writing is lifelessness. Paging
Binksternet.
EEng 04:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I remember faithfully reading Herb Caen's column every time it appeared as I began working in San Francisco in the 1980s. I am a testament to the Chronicle editors' estimate that a lot of people were turning to Caen's column before or instead of the front page. I think it's fitting that his biography article reflect some of his well-known style. Carefully chosen quotes are a good way to convey to the reader his wit and charisma.
Is the article ready for GA? I think it needs a tiny bit of polish, nothing serious.
Binksternet (
talk) 05:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Submit it to GA and you'll find out. Or, Submit it to Peer review first to get outsiders' opinions and recommendations, then consider nominating to GA. Either way, constructive criticism will come in droves.
--Animalparty! (
talk) 05:44, 17 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Animalparty, I looked around and found
this list of the Good Article criteria. Could you perhaps take a moment to give us a preview of what a peer review might show by giving specific examples of ways in which the article fails to meet those criteria? Thanks!
EEng 15:03, 17 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Nothing. Huh.
EEng 16:25, 23 January 2019 (UTC)reply
1903 Call article, "San Francisco: The Baghdad of America"
One of our colleagues
[1] has unearthed a 1903 San Francisco Call article describing San Francisco as "the cosmopolitan city of the United States" (
"San Francisco: The Baghdad of America". San Francisco Call. Vol. 94, no. 101. 9 September 1903.). The possibility that HC knew about this is intriguing, but of course we can't use it without some source commenting. Worth parking here, though -- maybe someone will have a bright idea. EEng 02:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)reply
External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on
Herb Caen. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
this tool.
I know it's a longshot, but does anyone have the moxy to try to get the lead photo on this page
[2] appropriately released? Man, that would be perfect. Starting point here
[3].
EEng 22:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, that would be a great photo to put in the article.
Hayford Peirce (
talk) 23:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)reply