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If I am doing this incorrectly, please forgive me. This is my first time disputing something on the site.
Section 1: "Geography", subsection 1.1: "Location, topography, and geology" states that "Hawaii is the only state of the United States that... is located entirely within the tropics."
In the "State of Hawaii" section of quick facts on the right at the top, in the "area" section, it states that the range of latitude for Hawaii is "18° 55′ N to 28° 27′ N"
Now, if my memory serves me, the tropic latitudes are at roughly 23 degrees on each side of the equator. The article for the Tropic of Cancer confirms this stating at the beginning of the second paragraph that "The Tropic of Cancer currently lies 23° 26′ 22″ north of the Equator."
So, unless I'm missing some intent in the "Hawaii" article, the two facts I mentioned coming from that article cannot be in sync with one another. Can anyone check this out or gently correct me if I'm missing something.
Thanks in advance, OneLife4Music ( talk) 12:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Your question is perfectly appropriate. I'm going completely off memory on all of this in terms of geography so might be a bit off. But basically I think the statement about "entirely within the tropics" is almost correct with regards to the eight main islands, although (here's where my memory is hazy and i'm too lazy to look it up at the moment) the Tropic of C bisects Kauai, the northernmost of the main islands. As for the other area located to the north of the ToC, that is also correct since (as I recall) the state boundaries go all the way to Midway Island, which is quite far to the north and west of the main islands. But since none of the islands west of Kauai are permanently inhabited by anyone except wildlife managers, it would be true that the populated part of the state is (almost) all located in the tropics. So the upshot is, assuming I'm accurate in all this, you're right that the text should re-state these facts. Go for it. Arjuna ( talk) 01:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
"almost correct" = wrong. People editing this page need to backup their silly Hawai'i is the whatever-est exaggerations without citation especially when it's easily determined by looking at a map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.131.131 ( talk) 03:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I have put a lock (for non registered members) on this article until March 9 2008 since lately there has been a lot of unnecessary changes (mainly vandalism). If this needs to be undone let me know. -- Talk to Stealth500 ( talk) 01:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Try adding The Vibora Luviminda trades union's shuger plantation stike on Maui island Hawaii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.240.225 ( talk) 14:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The people are just down to earth they are also easy to talk to. For example, if you have any questions they're willing to help. One big thing is it hot and very sunny so pack suntan lotion. Also, if you here about any markets or big events going on such as a holiday look into it more indepth, how nows you might like it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.165.202.225 ( talk) 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Tend to believe that omitting a paragraph on the expansion of US Navy to the island is intentional. In 1919, according to the fact, stated in the "Perl Harbor" article in Wikipedia ("It [ the dry dock] was ceremonially opened to flooding by Mrs. Josephus Daniels, wife of the Secretary of the Navy, on 21 August 1919. "), US started to move Pacific Fleet onto the island. Here are quotations from the "Pacific Fleet" article in Wikipedia: "Its homeport is at Pearl Harbor Naval Base, Hawaii." and "The General Order of 6 December 1922 organized the United States Fleet, with the Battle Fleet as the Pacific presence." By staging its fleet within close proximity to the "mainland" Japan, US threatened Japans dominance in the Pacific.
User: AR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.69.160.1 ( talk) 20:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to know why this state has a lock on it's article. California does too, but not New York or Nevada. I think New Jersey is in the process of getting it "locked". Are vandalizers still at it again? Will they ever stop???
The essay is contradictory: One part of the essay says, "The Kingdom of Hawaii existed from 1810 until 1893 when the monarchy was overthrown by native born Hawaiians of American ancestry." Another part of the essay says, "On January 14, 1893, a group of American[s] and Europeans formed a Committee of Safety in opposition to the Queen, and seized control of government." The first part is incorrect and should be revised to be consistent with the second part, as follows: "was overthrown by a group of American and European residents." The second part should add the letter "s" to the word "American."
Native born Hawaiians = persons of the Hawaiian race. Some of those overthrowing the monarchy were American citizens, but none were Native Hawaiians, though some may have been born in the Hawaiian Islands. Mikehaas ( talk) 00:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Michael Haas, author of "Multicultural Hawai`i" HALEY&BUZZY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.160.163 ( talk) 20:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The standard map being used by the other states? should be used at this article. GoodDay ( talk) 15:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I've replaced the map, with the standard map being used by the other US states. PS- Due to Hawaii's geographical location? Perhaps the geo map can be re-added with the political map. GoodDay ( talk) 15:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is it that when I go to edit this page on the actual page, and I try to find the link to change the Congressional Delegations or whatever it says from List of...Hawai'i to Hawaii instead, it isn't even on there, and a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't appear on the page appears on the Edit page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethan c.00 ( talk • contribs) 09:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hawaii is in North America, not Oceania. This is because it is a state in a country in North America —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.44.43 ( talk) 01:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
In the article, there are stats for British, English, Scottish and Irish. This doesn't make sense. The English & Scottish both come under British (and some of the Irish might do to). You can't have British in there and then have all the other countries that make up Britain too. Atouraya ( talk) 05:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
If you look at the flag next to the irish section it's that of the republic of ireland so not part of britain. With the separate English/Scottish/British thing, that'll be the percentages of people that consider themselves to be of that ancestry. Not knowing how the data was collected I can't say if there would be any overlap in that. You cant merge them 'cos you'd lose data and you cant remove British because you don't know if those people are also included in the English/Scottish percentages. 137.222.215.52 ( talk) 21:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
For 2005, we have the following numbers for different racial groups:
White 41.26% Black 3.33% American Indian 2.03% Asian 57.53% Pacific Islander 22.10%
That adds up to 126.25%. What's the deal? john k ( talk) 14:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Digger2000 ( talk) 04:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The Hawaiian Kingdom, as an independent State, was an influential player in the formation of the first principles of international law as it related to neutrality and the rights of national vessels during war. As a result of the Crimean War (1853-1856) between Russia and the Ottoman Empire, the governments of England and France, prior to their impending involvement, each issued formal Declarations on March 28, 1854, and March 29, 1854, respectively, that declared neutral ships and goods would not be captured. Both Declarations were later delivered to the Hawaiian Kingdom government by the British and French Commissioners resident in the Hawaiian Islands on July 7, 1854.
Accompanying the British correspondence to the Hawaiian Government that provided a copy of the Declaration of Neutral Rights was a copy of Her Britannic Majesty's Privy Council Resolution of April 15, 1854, that expanded upon the rights of neutral States. The resolution provided, in part,
"Now it is this day ordered by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, that all vessels under a neutral or friendly flag, being neutral or friendly property, shall be permitted to import into any port or place in Her Majesty's dominions all goods and merchandise whatsoever, to whomsoever the same may belong; and to export from any port or place in Her Majesty's dominions to any port not blockaded, any cargo or goods, not being contraband of war, or not requiring a special permission, to whomsoever the same may belong."
Knowing of the breakout of the Crimean War, His Majesty King Kamehameha III formally proclaimed the Hawaiian Kingdom as a Neutral State with its territorial jurisdiction extending one marine league (three miles) from the coasts of each of its islands on May 16, 1854.
On June 15, 1854, in Privy Council Assembled, the Committee on the National Rights in regards to prizes had delivered its report. His Excellency Robert C. Wyllie presented the report of the committee and the following resolution was passed and later made known to the Representatives of the Nations who were at war.
"Resolved: That in the Ports of this neutral Kingdom, the privilege of Asylum is extended equally and impartially to the armed *neutral vessels and prizes made by such vessels of all the belligerents, but no authority can be delegated by any of the Belligerents to try and declare lawful and transfer the property of such prizes within the King's Jurisdiction; nor can the King's Tribunals exercise any such jurisdiction, except in cases where His Majesty's Neutral Jurisdiction and Sovereignty may have been violated by the Captain of any vessel within the bounds of that Jurisdiction."
On July 7, 1854, the British Consul General to the Hawaiian Kingdom had sent a dispatch to the Minister of Foreign Affairs in regards to an interpretation of the Privy Council Resolution of June 15, 1854, concerning "armed national vessels and prizes." The French Commissioner also requested clarification. These dispatches were read in Privy Council assembled on July 17, 1854, and the following resolutions were passed.
"Resolved: That by the words armed national vessels and prizes in the Resolution of the 15th June, are meant only vessels regularly organized and Commissioned on national account, and what prizes they may make; and that that Resolution does not extend the privileges of Asylum in the ports of this Kingdom to vessels armed on private account or the prizes taken by them, whatever may be the flag under which such vessels may sail: Therefore all Privateers and prizes made by them are hereby prohibited from entering the Ports of this Kingdom, unless in such circumstances of distress as that their exclusion would involve a sacrifice of life, and then only, under special permission from the King, after proofs to His Majesty's satisfaction , of such circumstances of distress.
Resolved: That the communications of the Representatives of Great Britain and France, be published in the Polynesian of Saturday next; and that the Resolution of this day relating to Privateers, be published every week during the War, under the Resolution of the 15th June last."
On December 6, 1854, the U.S. Commissioner assigned to the Hawaiian Kingdom, His Excellency David L. Gregg, sent the following dispatch to the Hawaiian Kingdom government regarding the recognition of neutral rights. The correspondence stated, in part,
"...I have the honor to transmit to you a project of a declaration in relation to neutral rights which my Government has instructed me to submit to the consideration of the Government of HawaiÁi, and respectfully to request its approval and adoption. As you will perceive it affirms the principles that free ships make free goods, and that the property of neutrals, not contraband of war, found on board of Enemies ships, is not confiscable.
These two principles have been adopted by Great Britain and France as rules of conduct towards all neutrals in the present European war; and it is pronounced that neither nation will refuse to recognize them as rules of international law, and to conform to them in all time to come.
The Emperor of Russia has lately concluded a convention with the United States, embracing these principles as permanent, and immutable, and to be scrupulously observed towards all powers which accede to the same." (emphasis added)
On January 12, 1855, the U.S. Commissioner also sent another dispatch to the Hawaiian Government that contained a copy of the July 22, 1854 Convention between the United States of America and Russia embracing certain principles in regard to neutral rights.
After careful review of the U.S. President's request, the Hawaiian Kingdom Government, by His Majesty King Kamehameha IV in Privy Council, passed the following resolution on March 26, 1855.
"Resolved: That the Declaration of accession to the principles of neutrality to which the President of the United States invites the King, is approved, and Mr. Wyllie is authorized to sign and seal the same and pass it officially to the Commissioner of the United States in reply to his dispatches of the 6th December and 12th January last."
Following the Privy Council meeting on the same day, His Excellency Robert C. Wyllie signed the Declaration of Accession to the Principles of Neutrality as requested by the United States President and delivered the same to the American Commissioner to the Hawaiian Kingdom, His Excellency David L. Gregg. The Declaration provided, in part,
"And whereas His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands, having considered the aforesaid invitation of the President of the United States, and the Rules established in the foregoing convention respecting the rights of neutrals during war, and having found such rules consistent with those proclaimed by Her Britannic Majesty in Her Declaration of the 28th March 1854, and by His Majesty the Emperor of the French in the Declaration of the 29th of the same month and year, as well as with Her Britannic Majesty's order in Council of the 15th April same year, and with the peaceful and strictly neutral policy of this Kingdom as proclaimed by His late Majesty King Kamehameha III on the 11th May 1854, amplified and explained by Resolutions of His Privy Council of State of the 15th June and 17th July same year, His Majesty, by and with the advice of His Cabinet and Privy Council, has authorized the undersigned to declare in His name, as the undersigned now does declare that His Majesty accedes to the humane principles of the foregoing convention, in the sense of its III Article."
On April 5, 1855, His Majesty King Kamehameha IV, successor in office to His late Majesty King Kamehameha III, ratified the 1852 Treaty with the Kingdom of Sweden and Norway which included the rights of neutrality. Article XV provides,
"All vessels bearing the flag of Sweden and Norway in time of war shall receive every possible protection, short of actual hostility, within the ports and waters of His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands; and His Majesty the King of Sweden and Norway engages to respect in time of war the neutral rights of the Hawaiian Kingdom, and to use his good offices with all other powers, having treaties with His Majesty the King of the Hawaiian Islands, to induce them to adopt the same policy towards the Hawaiian Kingdom."
Similar provisions of neutral rights of the Hawaiian Kingdom were also made a part of the treaties with Spain (1863, Article XXVI), Germany (1879, Article VIII) and Italy (1869, Additional Article).
On April 7, 1855, His Majesty King Kamehameha IV opened the Legislative Assembly. In that speech he reiterated the Kingdom's neutrality by stating, in part,
"It is gratifying to me, on commencing my reign, to be able to inform you, that my relations with all the great Powers, between whom and myself exist treaties of amity, are of the most satisfactory nature. I have received from all of them, assurances that leave no room to doubt that my rights and sovereignty will be respected. My policy, as regards all foreign nations, being that of peace, impartiality and neutrality, in the spirit of the Proclamation by the late King, of the 16th May last, and of the Resolutions of the Privy Council of the 15th June and 17th July. I have given to the President of the United States, at his request, my solemn adhesion to the rule, and to the principles establishing the rights of neutrals during war, contained in the Convention between his Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, and the United States, concluded in Washington on the 22nd July last."
The abovementioned actions on the part of the Governments of England, France, Russia, the United States of America and the Hawaiian Kingdom relating to the development of the principles of international law in relation to neutrality provided the necessary pretext for the leading European maritime powers to meet in Paris, after the Crimean War, and enter into a joint declaration that provided the following four principles,
1. Privateering is, and remains, abolished.
2. The neutral flag covers enemy's goods, with the exception of contraband of war.
3. Neutral goods, with the exception of contraband of war, are not liable to capture under the enemy's flag.
4. Blockades, in order to be binding, must be effective, that is to say, maintained by a force sufficient really to prevent access to the coast of the enemy.
The aforementioned Declarations and the 1854 Russian-American Convention represented the first recognition of the right of neutral States to conduct free trade without any hinderence from war. Stricter guidelines for neutrality were later established in the 1871 Anglo-American Treaty made during the wake of the American Civil War, whereby both parties agreed to the following rules.
First, to use due diligence to prevent the fitting out, arming, or equipping, within its jurisdiction, of any vessel which it has reasonable ground to believe is intended to cruise or to carry on war against a power with which it is at peace; and also to use like diligence to prevent the departure from its jurisdiction of any vessel intended to cruise or carry on war as above, such vessel having been specially adapted, in whole or in part, within such jurisdiction, to warlike use.
Second, not to permit or suffer either belligerent to make use of its ports or waters as the base of naval operations against the other, or for the purpose of the renewal or augmentation of military supplies or arms, or the recruitment of men.
Thirdly, to exercise due diligence in its own ports and waters, and, as to all persons within its jurisdiction, to prevent any violation of the foregoing obligations and duties.
Newer and stricter rules for the conduct of neutral States were expounded upon in the 1874 Brussels Conference, and later these principles were codified in the Fifth and Thirteenth Hague Conventions of 1907, governing, respectively, the rights and duties of neutral States in Land and Maritime warfare.
Since the 1843 Anglo-Franco Proclamation, wherein the Hawaiian Islands was admitted into the great Family of Nations by England and France, the Hawaiian Kingdom participated in the establishment and growth of the international law of neutrality. With the Hawaiian Kingdom's unique location in the middle of the North Pacific Ocean for both commercial trade and a sanctuary for ships at war, the maritime powers of Europe and America found it prudent to include the Hawaiian Kingdom in the evolution of the principles and subsequent codification of neutral rights.
As a neutral State, the Hawaiian Kingdom was afforded all the protection of international law it had helped to establish, and by 1893 the principles of neutral rights were enough to preclude any other independent State from infringing upon the sovereign neutral rights of the Hawaiian Kingdom. It was the United States of America, in its 1871 Anglo-American Treaty, that established rules preventing belligerent States from utilizing neutral territory or ports for warlike purposes such as outfitting vessels, recruiting troops, or basing military operations.
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I don't believe that Hawaiian is the official demonym for locals in Hawaii. I don't really know what it is, since Hawaiian refers to Native Hawaiians, and simply "Locals" refer to locals of Hawaii, regardless of blood. What do you think? I find it weird when I go to the mainlands and say, "Welcome, Hawaiians!" Because I'm not of Hawaiian ancestry. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 04:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
hawii is very great that i want to come an drink juice out of coconut cup and wear a pretty skirt that they be wearng in awii and so that is why i want to come vvisit hawii and when i row u i will visit hawii when i grow up and if that visit go well i move to jawii so my child can be hawiian . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.130.192 ( talk) 21:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Is the Hawaii Reporter really notable enough to have more space devoted to it than any other of the newspapers mentioned in the Media section? Is there evidence that it actually "has become a significant resource to residents and mainlanders"? I think the reference to HR should be at least pared down if not removed entirely. 72.130.221.6 ( talk) 20:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I notice that the general tone of the article in the sections about annexation and statehood implies that the United States invaded Hawaii and imposed a dictatorial rule. It also implies that most Hawaiians were opposed to becoming part of the United States. While this is consistent with the generally anti-American bias of Wikipedia (which is quite disgraceful given that Wikipedia was started by an American, apparently not a very patriotic or loyal one), I do not think it is correct. Can anyone show a poll showing the majority of Hawaiians would support seceding from the Union and giving up their sovereignty to a Queen of Hawaii??? I doubt it. Americans are against monarchy: we believe that men should have the right to choose their own leader, not have someone automatically become the leader based on genetics. It seems to me that if the majority of Hawaiians back then thought that the Americans were unwelcome invaders, they would not have voted to become a state. Thus these anti-American implications that we took control of the island against the will of the people of Hawaii should be removed. 71.116.89.82 ( talk) 18:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.89.82 ( talk) 18:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Kalathalan, I concede that Americans (not America officially, but Americans) overthrew the Queen. However, the fact remains that the Hawaiians voted in favor of statehood. Hence, the will of the People of Hawaii is to be part of the United States. This notion that somehow the United States took over Hawaii against the will of the people of the islands is false. Wikipedia really has to reform this anti-American stance they have. It is found in article after article. That's called a bias, I thought wikipedia articles are supposed to be neutral? This is why people pay for real encyclopedias, for non-biased information. 71.116.89.82 ( talk) 18:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
here is what an article about Hawaii SHOULD look like. http://www.bartleby.com/65/ha/HawaiiSt.html it's from Columbia Encyclopedia, published by Columbia University, a world renown institution of higher learning. Notice there's nothing in there about statehood being invalid or whatever, since those are fringe beliefs. To put such things in an article about Hawaii is like saying in an article about Northern Ireland that it is not a legitimate part of the United Kingdom! Because IRA terrorists think that does not make it a legitimate fact. At the very least, Wikipedia should point out "these nonsense statements about Hawaii being illegally invaded are fringe ideas, and most citizens of Hawaii support it being a part of the United States and would not want to give up their sovereignty as citizens of the United States of America to a King or Queen." 71.116.89.82 ( talk) 18:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I fail to understand the objection. The article is meticulously NPOV and well-cited. It is not "anti-American". Nowhere does the article say that "the U.S. invaded Hawaii". However, any statement that the overthrow did not benefit from the presence of U.S. marines that were landed in support of the coup d'etat is not well-founded in scholarly literature, and would be a highly tendentious and POV statement -- indeed, "fringe". On the other hand, that an overthrow took place and that native Hawaiians objected to it, does NOT in anyway imply that Hawaii's current status as a U.S. state is illegitimate. Readers should consider the distinction between native Hawaiians (who largely objected but were -- or were soon to become -- a minority in the islands) and Hawaii residents, and in light of this, the 1959 plebescite makes more sense. In short, I can only assume that the complainant is unfamiliar with the history of Hawaii, or has an ideological bias his/herself. The wording of the article has been very carefully considered and is the result of a hard-won consensus. Any changes should be discussed on this talk page first. Cheers, Arjuna ( talk) 20:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
No one is suggesting that the United States is without flaw. However, what I *am* suggesting is that the other EXTREME is not correct either, that being the extreme view that the United States is without merit. We have a Republic based on the consent of We the People in which We the People tell the government what it can do, not the other way around. In most European countries for example, the authority of the government is derived from the monarch, but in the USA, it is derived "from the consent of the governed". In 1776, when our nation became independent from the UK, most major countries were run by monarchs (that is to say, the role of the President of the United States, in most other countries, was executed by a monarch). We don't have to be a "utopia" to be a great nation. In any case, if wikipedia is to be an ENCYCLOPEDIA of any kind, including "universal", articles have to be based on TRUTH, not "consensus". If the majority agrees that one can accelerate to a speed greater than that of light in vacuum (as opposed to using a wormhole etc.), it would not change the fact that it is impossible as physics is currently understood. Hence, there should be no reference to the statehood of Hawaii being "questioned" as to its legitimacy. No credible organization -- and I emphasize CREDIBLE... "I am Bob, I am the King of Hawaii, and I question the legitimacy of Hawaii as a state" is not credible -- questions the legitimacy of the statehood of Hawaii. Do Encyclopedia Britannica, or Columbia Encyclopedia, both highly credible sources, claim that the legitimacy of the statehood of Hawaii is questioned? Certainly not. It's like saying that the state of Israel is not a legitimate nation because Hamas and other fringe groups think Israel should not be there. Oops, I better look up Israel on wikipedia and see if you silly people didn't write that in there by "consensus". ((rolling eyes)) --Brian (I am the original poster in this section about the general tone of the article) 71.116.105.187 ( talk) 04:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Why are the island names, except for Maui, italicized in the second paragraph? — Kal (talk) 06:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
"There is substantial evidence (Stokes 1932) of earlier Spanish, and possibly Irish, visits to Hawaii". The statement is nonsensical. No ship from Ireland (before its integration into the United Kingdom) could have voyaged around the world to make contact with Hawaii. If there really is evidence for such a fantastic voyage, it should be cited better. I will revert if there is no opposition. Catiline63 ( talk) 15:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone from Hawaii should add a sports section to this article. Ghoongta ( talk) 03:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The sidebar telling Population, Size, etc. states that the "Length" of Hawaii is 1522 Miles. I just used Microsoft Streets and Trips to measure the length and it is actually about 400 miles long. Quite a large difference. 76.104.185.119 ( talk) 19:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Daphriend
I would like you to reconsider adding an external link to the Hawaii SupgerGraphic content Hawaii SuperGraphic.
Hawaii is the nation's endangered species capital. The Hawaii SuperGraphic site has information on the evolution and development of species, geology and an interview with Dr. Sam Gon, director of science at the Natural Conservancy of Hawaii, who talks about Hawaiian evolution and the happy face spider. I don't see this content discussed or developed anywhere on the Hawaii page.
The link I selected minimizes any U-Haul promotional context. The purpose of the SuperGraphic content for U.S. states and Canadian provinces is to highlight little known facts or places in North Amercia. We've taken great pains to make the content educational and informational. Teachers and students have been using our content for years for school projects.
Please view the content and reconsider adding the link to the External Links section.
Thank you. Aztom2 ( talk) 06:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)Aztom2 8.18.08
if any criticism of the vote for hawaii to be a state is to be mentioned, then the following paragraph,
"On June 27 of that year, a referendum was held asking residents of Hawaii to vote on accepting the statehood bill. Hawaii voted at a ratio of 17 to 1 to accept. There has been criticism, however, of the Statehood plebiscite, because the only choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without addressing the issues of legality surrounding the overthrow."
should read:
"On June 27 of that year, a referendum was held asking residents of Hawaii to vote on accepting the statehood bill. Hawaii voted at a ratio of 17 to 1 to accept. Some extremist fringe groups criticize the Statehood plebiscite, because the only choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without addressing the issues of legality surrounding the overthrow."
Unless you can show me a credible, non-biased group which questions the vote to become a State. (hint: hawaii-nation.org would not be a non-biased group, nor would cpusa.org or internationalanswer.org)
Regardless of the legality of the overthrow of the monarchy, the fact remains that Hawaiians had wanted to be a US state for many years, and Kamehameha III was trying to get an annexation treaty, as Wikipedia itself admits in a few places (suspiciously, this is not admitted in the main Hawaii article...bias, anyone? reminds me of Dick Cheney's office cherry picking intelligence to promote the Iraq war). Plus, "Hawaii voted at a ratio of 17 to 1 to accept" becoming a state. There you go. If Hawaiians felt that Hawaii should not have become part of the USA, they would have voted the other way, but they did not. Do the secession people question the intelligence of Hawaiians who voted for that? If you think America should get off your island, and you want the island to be its own country, WHY would you vote to become a US state?????????????????????? If Option B was "change the name of Hawaii to Funkytown", you would vote for that, rather than say yes to Option A. Clearly the INTENTION and WILL of the people of Hawaii was to become a state, regardless of what had happened in the past. Past events cannot render illegitimate the legitimate vote of the people. Governments derive their just power "from the consent of the governed". btw some claimed that I am "From a republican state", actually I grew up in California, specifically, the "Silicon Valley" region, and I am registered with the Democratic party, though I consider myself a moderate liberal, and I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger (republican) for Governor, and still support him. I also voted for John Kerry in 2004 and was an official "veteran for John Kerry for President", and voted for Bill Clinton in 1996 (I turned 18 in 1996). In 2000 I had difficulties getting an absentee ballot so I could not vote that year (I was in the Navy), but I would have voted for Al Gore. I intend to vote for Obama for President because I was against the war in Iraq from day 1. I'll grant you I was born in Michigan, but we moved to California when I was 5. But Hawaii is properly a state, and the people of Hawaii CLEARLY wanted it at the time. maybe there should be a Hawaiian native reservation, a small one around the Palace, or something, but Hawaii should remain a state, as the people living there at the time VOTED. --Brian 22 August 2008. 71.116.105.187 ( talk) 06:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think BJ Penn should be included in the list of famous people from Hawaii. The current #1 lightweight in the world, and constantly ranked in the top 4 pound-for-pound fighters in the world. He is more famous than some of the people listed, but I would probably omit Nicole Kidman. She had Australian parents who were working in Hawaii and returned to Australia when she was 4 - although she is quite famous I really can't see her idenifying herself as hawaiian. Just my opinion Disco ( talk) 07:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Wow. I want to go to Hawaii after reading this article on Hawaii! Sept. 10 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.196.119.108 ( talk) 14:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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Why the flag of Hawaii has the United Kingdon label attached if its a State of U.S.A.?
- Actually, that's because the British influence over those islands in the late 19th century. This is the only current use of the Union Flag in any American state flag.
Kane.82 ( talk) 00:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
obviously writers in the hawaii article still don't get it. hawaii-nation.org thinking that the statehood of hawaii is immoral or whatever do not count as references. That does NOT belong in an "encyclopedia". The Hawaii Reporter article is credible, BUT it does not advocate the idea that Hawaii's statehood is illegal or invalid. I have yet to see a neutral, credible source giving any validity to the idea that the legality of the statehood of Hawaii is in question. btw, if Hawaii becoming a state was invalid, why did the Soviet Union not say anything??? We occupy territory illegally and our chief political/nuclear/military rival says nothing??? Seems illogical. For a recent example see what happened in Georgia. I notice wikipedia does not have any references to the theory that the Apollo 11 landing was faked under "Apollo 11", so why would they have references to Hawaii not being a state under "Hawaii"? Both are equally stupid views which do not belong in an "encyclopedia" and are not found in REAL encyclopedias. This is like including "aztlan" in the California article and claiming it is rightfully part of Mexico. ((eye roll)) Wikipedia is good for esoteric knowledge like Dungeons & Dragons, or types of Jedi. It's not good as a credible source of historical, scientific, or other empirical knowledge, for that you need professional editors and professional sources. Wikipedia will NEVER be Britannica. This Hawaii article proves that. --Brian 71.116.105.187 ( talk) 01:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
aren't hawaii's boundaries straight lines corresponding to lat/long dilineations of the Pacific Ocean? Amdurbin ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC).
The linked list has it as the second highest. Which is correct? -- ☑ SamuelWantman 10:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just performed a major cleanup of the structure of this article. Many links have been temporarily removed but are in the process of being added back inline. If anyone has any issues with my edits, please respond here rather than reverting. Thanks. Viriditas ( talk) 06:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Just added the "cleanup references" tag due to the random formatting style. The paucity of sources is also troubling, but I will attempt to rectify this in the coming month. Viriditas ( talk) 08:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Already discussed here. Viriditas ( talk) 18:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
In a limited example. so what you are saying is that Yellowstone National Park has no active lava flows or geological features. or that the San Andreas fault does not move, pushing eastermost California (although slowly) in a NW direction? you;re also saying the Cascade Volcanoes dont erupt and no subduction zone exisits in this area? that there is no geological activity in Alaska?
provide a citation to back up your fact! Jw2034 ( talk) 18:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
'Using Internet Primary Sources to Teach Critical Thinking Skills in Geography'?
hardly Nature (journal) is it? notably, i dont see the words 'physical geography' in the book. if its commonly cited a citation from more than the middle of a slightly obscure book must be available? Jw2034 ( talk) 18:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
A desirable and helpful table to place in this article would be a table of the land areas of the significant islands, from largest to smallest. Also, while someone is at it, the populations of the islands could be tabulated, too. 72.146.42.76 ( talk) 19:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Biographybase.com is used as a (fairly minor) reference in the article. Since biographybase.com is a copy of wikipedia circa 2004, it is not a suitable reference. It should be removed. I would do it myself but the page is currently semi-protected. 165.189.91.148 ( talk) 19:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Hawaii is a state. it was made one in 1959. that made it the 50th state. August 21st is when it became a state. Hawaii has nine islands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.248.167.149 ( talk) 12:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thanks for the super-useful map -- I'd always wondered exactly where Hawaii was! Actually, it's why I came to the article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.124.214.224 ( talk) 00:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
-- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 07:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I have started the section. I just threw it together. If you want to help make it presentable, it may be worth putting into the Hawaii page at some point. HawaiiEnviro -- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 04:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Way too long for this article, and needs to be split out, summary style. Viriditas ( talk) 05:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
In the media section. There is a incorrect sentence. It has two movie titles in while it should be one. Snakes on a Plane and Forgetting Sarah Marshall
This is the sentence, "The film Snakes on a Plane Forgetting Sarah Marshall takes place on a flight departing Hawaii for the U.S. mainland"
Robby1075 ( talk) 08:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I suggest creating a main article Environment of Hawaii and moving Hawaii#Environment, Hawaii_Clean_Energy_Initiative, Climate_change_in_Hawaii, List_of_Superfund_sites_in_Hawaii there. What do you think? -- Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 02:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
uuuh, they add up to 99.8% where has that .2% gone? 93.97.21.143 ( talk) 01:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I've been bold and removed the merge tags from the sections in this article. Articles on states or other large geographic regions should cover all significant aspects of the topic, and I think most people would agree that this article should include at least a few paragraphs on history, as well as several on demographics, more on transportation, etc. Some of the merge tags also proposed merging with articles that don't exist yet, so it's not really meaningful to "merge" per se.
I imagine that the intention behind putting up these tags was to indicate that the sections are too long that it would be better to move the detail to sub-articles, keeping briefer summaries in this article. I agree with that idea, however anyone can just go ahead and do that, or if you prefer, tag this article as being too long and needing to use "summary style". See Wikipedia:Summary style for details. Cheers, Clayoquot ( talk | contribs) 02:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I just split out Media in Hawaii. Too long, totally unsourced, and reads as if it were written by HAL 9000. I would also like to point out that this section misses the boat on what makes Hawaii media unique, and avoids even addressing the issue. Viriditas ( talk) 00:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
i amdoing this for my state report and i need mo info —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.239.61.171 ( talk) 15:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be considered a cult? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.110.105 ( talk) 11:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the page title include the 'okina? 'Hawai'i' instead of 'Hawaii' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Formic15 ( talk • contribs) 01:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Hawaii should be freed from US occupation. It's funny to see US demands a free Tibet while committing the same evilness themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.228.107.33 ( talk) 19:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The annexation of Hawaii was done to prevent an unfair royal policy from taking effect on American businessmen. The queen, after seeing the great wealth possible from the American business venture decided to kick the businessmen out and in doing so would sieze all the property and operations on the island(essentially nationalizing the meger economy). This wasn't good business so the marines were sent in to ensure this wouldn't take place. After much deliberation the leaders decided that in order to prevent an incident like this from happening again the overthrow was necessary. Hawaii then became a protectorate under The United States of America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.141.42 ( talk) 18:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
This article lists specifics about the election of Barack Obama not pertinent to the history of the island. As a corollary, the description page for the state of California doesn't mention Ronald Reagan, even though Reagan was a former governor of that state. The article for Texas lists George W. Bush only in reference to his service as governor of that state. The Arkansas page only lists Bill Clinton in reference to his service as the governor of that state.
This addition is clearly biased pro-democratic, and illustrates a trend on Wikipedia to slant articles towards democratic candidates/elected officials. This should be removed, and this as well as many other articles should be assessed as they are clearly in violation of the "Neutral point of view" policy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.170.162 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 31 March 2009 {UTC}
If you google the discovery of the Hawaiian islands, one sees the name Juan Gaytan who is reported to have seen islands (e.g. Isla Mesa) in 1542. La Perouse considered these islands to be Hawaii. Should this be mentioned somewhere or is this too speculative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hobbema ( talk • contribs) 06:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
As stated, the text reads: does not have a straight line in its state boundary
I believe this is incorrect, and should read: does not have a straight line <over xxx length> in its state boundary
Since a line, by definition, is the space between any two points... Assuming that Hawaii DOES have a state boundary, it is made up of an infinite number of points; each of which are connected by a (very small!) straight line - which makes the claim, as stated, mathematically (and I would assume cartographically) inaccurate.
I know it's a minor point, but as a former math major, it reads awkwardly in it's current form.
Timmcgrath ( talk) 19:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
From the article: "The nuances in the Hawaiian language debate are often not obvious or well-appreciated among English speakers outside Hawaii. The issue has often been a source of friction in situations where correct naming conventions are mandated, as people frequently disagree over which spelling is correct or incorrect, and where it is correctly or incorrectly applied."
Ironically, this could just as easily refer to Wikipedia's own debates. -- 75.173.88.157 ( talk) 04:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
hawaii is next to alaska —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronbilsky ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is this article semi-protected? Bytebear ( talk) 19:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Why does the flag of Hawaii have the Union Jack in its upper left corner? Wouldn´t it be more natural with Stars and Stripes?? -- Oddeivind ( talk) 20:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
This article varies in its spelling convention. This introduces confusion, such as links that don't match (e.g., Sugar Plantations in Hawai'i - note the difference in article title and link text) and confusion between the island of Hawai'i and the state of Hawaii (e.g. Section 2.1 references Hawai'i the state immediately after the table referencing Hawai'i the island). As the official state name is "Hawaii," as mentioned in 5.4.1, recommend changing references to the state to the English spelling. Basseq ( talk) 20:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the compromise that was reached on accents is (pretty much?) as you say, W Nowicki. Awien ( talk) 20:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. There are two "world" maps featuring Hawaii on this page. World maps are useful for giving a country/place grographical context, but unfortunately both of the maps use the standard US template which shows Hawaii as a cut-off strip placed next to the west coast. This is useful in its own way, but in it being used twice there is no map showing its actual location from a distance, relative to Asia or North America, which is a key feature of its being. Just a suggestion! 88.105.3.6 ( talk) 20:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Some excellent points are made in this article but there is a need to correct the error(s) regarding Christian missionaries to Hawaii. Under the headline, "1778-1983 - European Arrival and the Kingdom of Hawaii" (5th para.), it states that "Christian missionaries began to arrive in the early 1800s eventually converted many of the population to Christianity. Their influence led Kamehameha 11 to end the human sacrifices and the Kapu system...."
This is not true. The first Christian missionaries to Hawaii didn't arrive until March 1820.
Ten months before, King Kamehameha the Great had died and his son succeeded him. Shortly after, King Kamehameha 11 abolished the "ancient" religion (that had been forced on them by the Tahitians), burned down the temples, and smashed the idols. He did this with the support of his very highest priest and military commander. In fact, a very bloody battle had occurred in Kailua-Kona on the Big Island of Hawaii while the missionaries were on the high seas that was between the king's supporters and the supporters of the old religion. The king's supporters had won. The kapus were lifted. ("Grapes of Canan: Hawaii 1820" by Albertine Loomis, "Shoal of Time: A History of the Hawaiian Islands" by Gavan Daws, etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.14.133 ( talk) 17:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
There is a sentence which effectively compares the spurious "California Republic" to the fully sovereign and independent Kingdom of Hawai`i, Republic of Texas and Republic of Vermont. The reference to the California Republic should be removed; there were only *two* states besides Hawai`i (Texas and Vermont) which were independent countries before becoming part of the United States.
FYI, the so-called California Republic was nothing more than a short-lived rebellion and highly localised against Mexican rule. Basically, a bunch of Americans living in what is now Sonoma County decided to declare independence from Mexico. The established an unelected provisional government that exercised a modicum of control over parts of what became Sonoma, Napa and Sacramento counties. Four weeks later, they discovered the United States had declared war upon Mexico and invaded California. They then declared the California Republic null and void, and joined the American war effort.
Clearly, the "California Republic" was never a sovereign state, and it should not be treated as such in this encylclopaedia. 24.4.56.26 ( talk) 05:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough this article discusses the "state" of Hawai'i; but it's a little disingenuous to not include reference to the indigenous campaign for self-determination and independence, or of their own proposed national flag. This is not "trolling" by the way (to pre-empt any attempts by overzealous contributors to shut down a discussion of this), there are articles such as: Apology Resolution & Hawaiian sovereignty movement floating about; one would expect them to be at least mentioned in a paragraph sub section of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.74.203 ( talk) 10:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC) User:macdaddy
The article sidebar lists the size of Hawaii as 10,931 sq mi (43rd largest). What is the source of that data? Every other reference I find says it is about 6,423 sq mi (6,422.62 according to http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/15000.html). This would rank it 47th, I believe, so if this is changed then the "List of US States and Territories by Area" would also need to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.40.27.35 ( talk) 00:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know where to look for this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.71.26 ( talk) 02:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Proclamation 3309, Admission of the State of Hawaii into the Union, 21 August 1959, by Ike now available to cite or whatever on Wikisource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.235.127 ( talk) 01:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Can you see Oahu from Maui? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.37.169.173 ( talk) 21:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Please read the Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style before removing the special characters used to spell Hawaiian words in this article. W Nowicki ( talk) 04:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not going to argue about all of the other names, because (despite having a guideline backing my position) I'm being ganged up upon here. However, I'm not going to back down on "Hawaii", because that is the name of the state; it is the name used by the U. S. Government, it is the name used by the state on its own website (no okinas in the state's name on the website), and it is the name that appears in all dictionaries. Additionally, as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Internal consistency, one spelling should be used throughout the article (except in specific instances where different orthography or spellings are addressed). "Hawaii" (without the okina) is unquestionably the most common and most correct (in English) spelling.
If you want to argue that the okina is a letter, rather than a diacritic (As Awien does above), then we are discussing transliteration, and we use the most common *English* forms are to be used. The okina does not exist as a letter in the English language (much like Thorn or Ash), so it is transliterated into its nearest equivalent). Horologium (talk) 12:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
I would be happy to get more editor's opinions. We thought the policy was a reasonable compromise as consistent as we could get with other guidelines, banged out over quite some discussions. And if you want to accuse someone of Hazing, our project has had many contributors driven away by people who spend their time taking out the special characters instead of improving the information in articles. I have almost quit several times, and have given up editing CDP articles for now. Also interesting that the article you pointed me at uses the word "naïveté" in the lead (with the special characters in it). I do speak a bit of French, and know that the French are adamant about their own accents. I would guess they probably would agree to using modern orthography in their own articles, but I have my plate full right now. I do not agree "English usage prefers the spellings without the okina", nor that comparing other arguments soley on word count as "disingenuous". If you look at, for example, which publications do use the okina, it is generally any academic or serious scientific publication for example. The trend is to use them more often. The GNIS swithed in 2000, but the 2000 census used 1998 data. Wikipedia should look to the future, not the past.
Another case in point, I was just rewriting the Hawaiian Organic Act article, because it seemed at least one editor of that article did not know Hawaii consisted of more than one island. And I did say we agreed with "Hawaii" itself, so please stop repeating that. I agree we should use English, so when I see "the alii nui was kapu because of his mana" I think it is an improvement to translate. But when the names are spelled using the official standard spellings, changing them to simplified spellings does not add any information. W Nowicki ( talk) 01:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry you feel that way, but it is not the way it is. There is no wall and no garden or at least overgrown with weeds to stretch the analogy :-). We are trying to follow the rules, but do not feel they are applied fairly. Any editor who removes information by rule has the burden of proof to show why the source, in this case GNIS or any modern atlas, is not to be trusted. The word counts for Oahu might justify, say, that for an article that consistently spells Oahu without the ʻokina, fighting over them might not be constructive. But it does not justify removing them all. There is no rule that says Hawaiian language is a special case, and diacritics are not allowed in Hawaiian words, but are allowed in European languages. There is a rule for neutrality and fairness. If diacritics are allowed in European language names, they should also be allowed here, according to the rules. Removing them violates that rule.
It might be your opinion that just removing a diacritic translates a word into English, but to justify a policy you need a source to back up that claim. It is a rule that personal opinions should not be the basis for an edit. It is easy to find counter-examples: removing the diacritics from Puʻuloa does not translate it into English. The article is Pearl Harbor, not Puuloa, because that place does have an English name. You do not get to Germany from "Deutschland" by removing diacritics. The WP:UE rule uses examples of names with diacritics as acceptable. Thre is also a rule Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Use_modern_names that says to use "modern" names. There are verifiable sources to show that GNIS and Census use of diacritics is more modern than the 1820 names, which even Lorrin Andrews admits in his dictionary were printed that way because his Ben Franklin era press did not have the right fonts. By rule you would need a better source to show the simplified spellings are more modern.
Your examples undermine your argument. The state web page clearly says it is 2000 census data. Much has changed in the last decade. The fact that a French wikipedia uses the simplified spelling tells me they do not think it is English. Mon Dieu, ce n'est pas possible. Il faut parler le Français propre, pas Anglais. And just because a word is in a dictionary does not make it acceptable for an encyclopedia. A large enough dictionary probably also has other simplified words such as "Thru" "OK" "dis" and maybe even "gonna" in it. It is the application of the rules I am arguing for. Editors who think they are above the rules themselves are what drives us away. W Nowicki ( talk) 18:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
And I hope Horologium does not take my comments personally either. Horologium has a very good point in my opinion, that if the article had been consistent at the start it might have avoided this. That consistency rule seems clear, which is why I proposed putting in the diacritics for the islands (based on Geographic sources) but not the political entity, the state. Thanks for your patience. W Nowicki ( talk) 23:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Opinions are not encyclopedic. I'd like the keeper of this page to take out or rewrite words that are opinions, please. I think Hawaii's greatest historical significance is when the US deposed the Hawaiian queen over pineapples, just as an example.
No ill will meant, cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.49.126 ( talk) 19:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
for real... how about "an archipelago, hawaii is in the southwest pacific..." and so on?
This article has been sprotected since February 2009. [3] 98.203.142.17 ( talk) 11:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
No idea what I'm doing, but note that the following passage is an incorrect interpretation of the data that footnote 49 links to. "According to the 2008 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, White Americans made up 27.1% of Hawaiʻi's population; of which 24.8% were non-Hispanic whites. Blacks or African Americans made up 2.4% (2.3% non-Hispanic). American Indians made up 0.2% ( 0.1% non-Hispanic). Asian Americans made up 38.5% (37.6% non-Hispanic). Pacific Islander Americans made up 9.0% (8.6% non-Hispanic). Individuals from some other race made up 1.4% (0.1% non-Hispanic). Multiracial Americans made up 21.4% (17.8% non-Hispanic). Hispanics and Latinos made up 8.7%.[49]"
For example, it states that "White Americans make up 27.1% of Hawaiʻi's population; of which 24.8% were non-Hispanic whites." The "of which" is incorrect. 24.8% is out of the total population, i.e., 319,553 out of 1,288,198. Etc.
Maybe someone wants to make the change...if anyone reads this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.245.128.196 ( talk) 17:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
So let me get this straight, even though this is en.wikipedia.org (not haw.wikipedia.org) and the official recognized name of the state is Hawaii wikipedia chose sides and decided to go with a known incorrect unofficial colloquial spelling; are we going to start changing all the other US state names which are based on Amerindian's words to the Amerindian spelling? Are we going to change Wisconsin back to Meskousing also?
Please change to the proper spelling. While its nice you acknowledged the debate when in doubt you might want to go with approved spelling per the constitution and federal registrar.
81.187.27.117 ( talk) 13:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Actually what bothers me is the spelling of Hawaii in Hawai'ian instead of English which appears to go against the style guide and Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(use_English) (especially see paragraph four). While wikipedia is consistent in most places (see Moscow for example where the native non-english spelling is only used in the first line as posted to Москва through the entire document) Hawaii seems to have a special place where we use its native Hawaiʻian spelling. My point here is Hawaii is the official English spelling (see state seal, see articles of incorporation into the USA) whereas Hawaiʻi is the official Hawaiʻspelling. Given the requirement is to use english and this is consistent throughout the rest of en.wikipedia.org Hawaii should be used here. If folk wish to use Hawaiʻi outside the first line then they need to do so on haw.wikipedia.org in the same way every other native langauge uses their corresponding wiki's. This is not about being PC or making a point, its about following the wiki standard. Also, outside Hawaii, the rest of the English speaking worlds spells it Hawaii which also goes with the style guide; that was my point. (btw thanks for pointing me to the style guide, figured I would go read it as didn't think I would have to argue why one should write things in English on the en.wikipedia.org)
Also while I can run with using the okina for geographic features in Hawaii constant with the BGN [4] the State of Hawaii is not a geographic feature. 81.187.27.117 ( talk) 15:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
As a long-time WP editor, my opinion (FWIW) is that the article title should be Hawaii, with a redirect page for Hawai'i. Like other articles on US States, and also like articles on countries, WP always uses the language of the wiki, not the language of the country. For this English wiki, the name must be Hawaii, in spite of any feeling that the Hawaiian spelling, Hawai'i, is the preferred spelling by the residents of that state or in other contexts. By the way, there is no word Hawai'ian in either language. We need to follow WP policies, not what we personally would like to see or other considerations. David spector ( talk) 02:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The overthrow of the constitutional monarchy of Hawai`i in 1893 was not a revolution, it was a coup d'etat. The overthrow was not a result of mass mobilization or a popular movement, which is how 'revolution' is mostly defined in wikipedia. The overthrow was the result of the efforts and collusions of a cabal of elite white businessmen and plantation owners with assistance of troops of the U.S. military. Absent any form of mass mobilization or popular movement, a small group of elite, well-established men with the assistance of a small contingent of U.S. military muscle overthrew the legitimate government of Hawai`i to form the illegitimate Provisional Government of Hawaii-- a process which is the essence of a coup d`etat, not a revolution. In wikipedia.org list of revolutions, there is none listed in 1893 for Hawaii, but in wikipedia's list of coups d'etat, there is one listed for Hawaii: "1893: With the aid of U.S. Marines, U.S. Department of State Minister to the Kingdom of Hawaii, John L. Stevens backs businessmen of native and foreign nationality in a coup that deposes Queen Lili'uokalani." Imzio ( talk) 08:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Although I have some knowledge of the history of Hawai'i and fully agree with everything stated in the first comment in this section, many of the residents did in fact resist the takeover by the USA in various peaceful ways, in spite of the presence of a large warship in the harbor. One could indeed call this response, no matter how understandable and how harmless, as a "rebellion". Of course, this token rebellion is no justification for the takeover and later forced adoption as a U.S. state.
But this is my opinion, and there are other opinions. Therefore, I agree that the statements of reliable sources ( WP:RS) are all that count.
The official government website ( http://www.ehawaii.gov/dakine/search.html?tag=community) uses both spellings interchangeably. Waikiki has a private post office service (www.hawaii-post.com) which always uses the spelling Hawai'i. The Univeristy of Hawai'i officially uses the spelling Hawai'i ( http://www.hawaii.edu/offices/eaur/styleguide.html). The National Park Service (U.S. Department of the Interior) states (in http://science.nature.nps.gov/im/units/pacn/monitoring/plan/PACN_MP_AppendixF_Geonames.pdf) authoritatively (as of 2004):
When Congress enacts legislation the place names are codified and entered into the GNIS. Recent legislation "corrected" the spellings of National Park Service units in Hawaii to include the special writing marks. One notable exception awaits amendment. The name of the state, Hawaii, is not written with an ‘okina between the two "i", because our Statehood Act in 1959 used the spelling "Hawaii." An Act of Congress is required to "correct" the name of the state to Hawai‘i. Thus, the name of the state is Hawaii, while the name of the island of the same name is Hawai‘i.
Based on my research, my opinion is that the article title and other references to the state should be titled Hawaii until Congress officially changes the name in the GNIS to Hawai'i. My opinion applies to other articles having Hawai'i or Hawaii in their titles as well, except where the reference is to the name of the largest island or the county, which has always been Hawai'i. Note that it is generally considered equivalent to use the characters ' or ʻ for the okina punctuation symbol. David spector ( talk) 03:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
i wish people would stop calling it a union jack as it's only ever called that when it's being flown on a british royal navy ship, otherwise it's just called the union flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.45.65 ( talk) 00:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
hawaii report —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.67.112.159 ( talk) 02:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
The sorting of section 5.3 (ancestral langage) is not good. It don't take in account the three digits number. —
Riba (
talk) 17:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Isn't there anything in the Hawaii history section on the strange British invasion of 1843?
216.107.194.166 ( talk) 16:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at this article simply as a reference and discovered that someone had mangled the pre-contact history section. Someone who believed in Pa'ao, believed that the Kamehameha dynasty was descended from a chief from Tahiti, believed in something called a kapu kingdom, and believed in fixed stages of cultural evolution (tribalism before feudalism). All of this is odd, incoherent, and contrary to everything that historians, anthropologists, and archaeologists believe about Hawaiian history. No citations for any of it, either.
If someone wants to assemble an outline of what some Hawaiian sovereignty people believe about Hawaiian pre-history and support it with citations, then it would probably be worth putting into an article, or a section of the larger Hawaiian pre-history article. Any such outline should be honest in pointing out that there are various opinions within the Hawaiian sovereignty movement and that belief is not monolithic.
Such an outline might be useful for people encountering Hawaiian history for the first time and running into assertions that seem odd. It's helpful to know who believes those things and to see a summary of the arguments that they make. Zora ( talk) 01:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Do not follow (or agree?) with above. Anything from the ancient period is oral history (with perhaps some archeological evidence), so no reason to be pejorative and call it "folk history". Of course all information should have cited reliable sources. What I was saying is that only a short summary goes in this article, put details (with citations) into the ancient Hawaii etc. articles. W Nowicki ( talk) 18:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I should perhaps add that current folk versions of Hawaiian history aren't necessarily the same as the folk versions that Kamakau, Malo, and other early 19th century Hawaiians wrote down. The long-running Hawaiian periodicals project, at Bishop Museum, will be invaluable in giving us more of a Hawaiian perspective on 19th century history and earlier. I wish my Hawaiian were more than rudimentary, so that I could help with the project and perhaps translate some of the more interesting newspaper articles. English-only historians have overlooked precious sources. Zora ( talk) 02:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
There is no mention of the formation, geological age or long-term geological history of Hawaii. I understand that it is the youngest island in the Hawaiian Island chain - and that both this chain and the Midway Islands and the older connected Emperor seamounts are all formed by the movement of the Earth's crust over a single hot spot in the magma. See Hawaiian – Emperor seamount chain. This gives an interesting overview. Could it be added? -- Tediouspedant ( talk) 18:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Please clarify this:
"There are also more than 100 small rocks and islets, such as Molokini, that are either volcanic, marine sedimentary or erosional in origin, totaling 130 or so across the archipelago."
130 what? What does "or so" mean? That's pretty vague. And if we're referring to the same thing (I can't tell), why is the first number "more than 100" and the second number "130 or so"? We should be consistent in our count, if we're referring to the same thing. Also, if there is no definite number, that's fine, but "approximately" sounds much more professional than "or so." I'm not sure on this one, so I'm going to leave it for someone who has time to fact check :). -- Jp07 ( talk) 03:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
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Need to change the description of the health care law in Hawaii. It should be "Heavy regulation of insurance companies helps keep the cost to employers high."
129.82.217.84 ( talk) 07:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I think that this information should be add in the economic section at least a note on this article, Jones Act of 1920 cost to Hawaii, add a 22 percent on shipping cost as per the U.S. International Trade Commission. This amounts to approximately $3,000 for every household in Hawaii. In 2003, Hawaii residents had the highest state tax per capita at US$2,838. The $3,000 cost of the Jones Act of 1920 for every household in Hawaii is higher than the state tax per capita.
SENATOR JOHN McCAIN INTRODUCES OPEN AMERICA’S WATER ACT Merchant Marine Act of 1920 June 25, 2010
“Today I am pleased to introduce legislation that would fully repeal the Jones Act, a 1920s law that hinders free trade and favors labor unions over consumers. Specifically, the Jones Act requires that all goods shipped between waterborne ports of the United States be carried by vessels built in the United States and owned and operated by Americans. This restriction only serves to raise shipping costs, thereby making U.S. farmers less competitive and increasing costs for American consumers.
“This was highlighted by a 1999 U.S. International Trade Commission economic study, which suggested that a repeal of the Jones Act would lower shipping costs by approximately 22 percent. Also, a 2002 economic study from the same Commission found that repealing the Jones Act would have an annual positive welfare effect of $656 million on the overall U.S. economy. Since these studies are the most recent statistics available, imagine the impact a repeal of the Jones Act would have today: far more than a $656 million annual positive welfare impact – maybe closer to $1 billion. These statistics demonstrate that a repeal of the Jones Act could prove to be a true stimulus to our economy in the midst of such difficult economic times.
“The Jones Act also adds a real, direct cost to consumers – particularly consumers in Hawaii and Alaska. A 1988 GAO report found that the Jones Act was costing Alaskan families between $1,921 and $4,821 annually for increased prices paid on goods shipped from the mainland. In 1997, a Hawaii government official asserted that ‘Hawaii residents pay an additional $1 billion per year in higher prices because of the Jones Act. This amounts to approximately $3,000 for every household in Hawaii.’” “This antiquated and protectionist law has been predominantly featured in the news as of late due to the Gulf Coast oil spill. Within a week of the explosion, 13 countries, including several European nations, offered assistance from vessels and crews with experience in removing oil spill debris, and as of June 21st, the State Department has acknowledged that overall ‘it has had 21 aid offers from 17 countries.’ However, due to the Jones Act, these vessels are not permitted in U.S. waters.
“The Administration has the ability to grant a waiver of the Jones Act to any vessel – just as the previous Administration did during Hurricane Katrina – to allow the international community to assist in recovery efforts. Unfortunately, this Administration has not done so.
“Therefore, some Senators have put forward legislation to waive the Jones Act during emergency situations, and I am proud to co-sponsor this legislation. However, the best course of action is to permanently repeal the Jones Act in order to boost the economy, saving consumers hundreds of millions of dollars. I hope my colleagues will join me in this effort to repeal this unnecessary, antiquated legislation in order to spur job creation and promote free trade.”
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The last sentence in the economy section, "As of January 2010, the states unemployment rate is 6.9%," needs to be changed for obvious reasons. My account is too new to let me do this. Heresybythought ( talk) 04:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Why did someone change the usual English-language spelling Hawaii to Hawaiʻi? Can someone restore this? 98.221.121.72 ( talk) 08:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me more encyclopedic for this section to describe Hawaii's representation in general terms, rather than naming the current representatives personally. Awien ( talk) 18:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
"In 2010, the percentage of millionaires in the general population was the highest in the nation.[63]" where 63 says: "Second to California".
Well, which is it? First, as in the text? Or second, as in the footnote? (And what's the source for either?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.163.72.2 ( talk) 18:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Removed, since former source 64 was "Parade Magazine" which when I looked online at the article in question got to a celebrity gossip column. Hardly a reliable (or relevant) source. And not clear how it defines "millionaire" of course. In many paces it means "homeowner".
I did find this IRS publication which shows Connecticut as the highest at 2.6% but that is from 1998. W Nowicki ( talk) 21:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
The article should mention that Hawaii can also be prnounced like "Havawkey" (Ha-VAW-key). I have heard this from several people including Barrack Obama's sister who is part Malayopolynesian herself and is a professor there. 69.46.168.129 ( talk) 03:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Well certainly one would need a good source to add it to the article. But not too hard to believe, from the little I know about the language. "W" is often pronounced as "V" in some dialects, and the glottal stop indicated by the ʻ okina can be easily mis-heard as a "k", especially since linguists think many words that came from Tahitian used to have "k" where ʻokina are now. Typical example is "Tiki" in Tahiti is roughly "Kiʻi" in the Hawaiian language. The variation given with the v : [hɐˈvɐiʔi] seems close enough. W Nowicki ( talk) 18:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I've lived here for years and no one who is from here says "Havawkey". Also outside of politically correct academia no one says He-vei-i either. When someone uses that they are being totally pretentious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.154.252 ( talk) 06:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
The infobox map is an insult to academic integrity. It serves no purpose what so ever. Either put in a geographically accurate map or don't put one all. This isn't "American-centric encyclopedia". Slaja ( talk) 21:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The current article states that Hawaii was the second minority-majority state (a ridiculous concept all together but beyond the scope of this page) and that both Hawaii and New Mexico have been minority-majority states since early in the 20th century. I'm fairly certain that Hawaii has always been a minority-majority state; a fact backed up by the " Minority-majority state" page So my question is why is Hawaii second and how is New Mexico's status as one of the four US states without a majority non-white population relevant? anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.28.239.70 ( talk) 19:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC) New Mexico, Texas and California have a white majority according to the U.S. Census (partly white of Hispanic origin)-- 79.150.186.73 ( talk) 02:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be amended former governor, or then-governor Lingle? 75.203.158.55 ( talk) 12:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The results for the 2010 census are published with a gain of 12.3% at 1,360,301. [1] Moving up two positions to 40th in the nation. [2]-- Travis Thurston+ 20:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
The section identifying percent of population in each religious category lists separate headers for "Christian" and "Mormon". Mormons (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) are Christian and are seen that way by most who self-report as Christian (Pew Foundation) RobinBishop ( talk) 15:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please add information about the distance between the california coast and Hawwaii? thanks 78.146.100.162 ( talk) 10:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Why has this article been closed to unregistered contributions for so many years? Weakopedia ( talk) 11:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
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Please spell DAYLIGHT SAVING time correctly 76.172.93.224 ( talk) 05:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This article gives the total shoreline of Hawaii as 750 miles and calls it the fourth longest. But the Chesapeake Bay article says the bay and its tributaries have over 11000 miles of shoreline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wdjunkin ( talk • contribs) 15:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
The article should specify that it is referring to oceanic coastline. The state of Michigan has 3,224 miles of coast line (albeit fresh water). According to NOAA Office of Oceanic and Coastal Resource Management -
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The section "Other schools" asserts: "Hawaii educates more students in independent institutions of secondary education than any other state in the United States." I find that very dubious, and there is no citation given for the assertion. California, for example, has something like 30 times the population of Hawaii. Or is the sentence intended to say "per capita"? Duoduoduo ( talk) 00:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Why can't we read about the sovereignty and independence movements in this article ??? There is no mention of the sovereignty and independence movements of Hawaii at all, as if these movements and efforts doesn't exist at all ? Unbelievable! Any explanation, any one ?-- 77.78.240.64 ( talk) 14:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I just find out about existence of the Wikipedia article Hawaiian sovereignty movement, but not via this article nor through "See also" section, which is really cowardly, perfidious, irritating and absolutely despicable.-- 77.78.240.64 ( talk) 14:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
according to its constitution and the Hawaiian language which is one of two state languages, it is correct to spell Hawai'i. The apostrophe called an "okina" is NOT punctuation, it is a letter in the Hawaiian alphabet. Its incorrect to drop a letter from the name, and its also offensive to the native population.
The state's constitution spells it "Hawaii". Kauffner ( talk) 13:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The first paragraph states that the "largest religions by adherants" are the RCC and the Mormon (LDS) church. Then below it lists some categories of religions and the number of adherants. The Mormon (LDS) church lists some 63k adherants, but there are other religions (Buddhism, for example) with more adherants. The first paragraph is misleading and should be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.214.250 ( talk) 05:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Except, that isn't how they are normally listed. They are listed based on their geological age and corresponding size from the southeast to the northwest, from the youngest to the oldest. After all, that is the direction that the Pacific plate is moving. There seems to be a bit of a cultural bias here, as if listing items from left to right was the correct way. Viriditas ( talk) 06:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Undoing indent. It's not a question of trusting, as if there were only ONE right way. There are two styles, and, as you said, one is appropriate for general literature and one for science. The WP article is more on the order of general literature.
Oh, and as for styles ... this was something I had to learn when I started copyediting. While some grammatical usages or spellings are right or wrong everywhere (at this place and moment), others are less cut and dried. Publishing houses have house styles, that dictate whether their publications will use the serial comma (or not), whether an author's initials in a bibliography should be H.W. or H. W., and so on. There is no one right way, no matter what your 6th grade English teacher said. There is only the way that is appropriate for the context. Zora ( talk) 18:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Some questions
Feel free to add your own. Viriditas ( talk) 09:46, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
In regards to the quote written, "Hawaii's coastline is approximately 750 miles (1,210 km) long, which is fourth in the United States after Alaska, Florida, and California." Is incorrect from the standpoint that Merriam-Webster dictionary defines coastline as: "A line that forms the boundary between the land and the ocean or a lake." From this perspective, Hawaii has the fifth largest coastline behind Alaska, Michigan, Florida, and California; not the fourth. Andycorts ( talk) 23:38, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
A quick note on something that needs a simple fix. The caption for the silversword plant (sec. 2.4 - protected areas) incorrectly links to an article about a video game ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silversword). It should link here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haleakalā_Silversword).
The article is semi-protected and I am not a registered user, so I cannot change it. Can someone qualified please take care of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.171.7 ( talk) 15:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
The Hawaii County page has a nice breakdown of top 10 employers on the Big Island. Can we get a table like that for the whole State of Hawaii and Oahu? Also the Tax information is pretty out of date. http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/hawaii — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.130.236.91 ( talk) 05:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
It's almost always possible to find sources that can credit or discredit the most common apprehensions (or opinions) of all types of historical issues. F.i. there are quite a few people who do not belive that man has landed on the moon, and "sources" of that kind can be found at the internet and sometimes even in books. An other exaple is authors that try to deny the holocaust during the second world war. In this case the matter is doubts of the spanish finding of the Hawaii islands about 200 years earlier. Of course it seemed a bit strange for both brittons and others when the spanish sources were exposed to the world long after James Cook was killed. At the time of the exposing. But today no (or very very few) serious historians do doubt the old spanish archives. And the fact that the spanish kept their discovery secret in the 16:th century makes it even more trustworthy. I do suggest that the "doubt"-part will be removed, although "sources" exists. And I sure hope that no nationality-pride is hurt by my suggestion -or involved in the article. I'm from Scania (southernmost of Sweden) and I'm absolutelly neutral reguarding Britain vs Spain world discovery. I do though strongly "doubt the doubters". Boeing720 ( talk) 13:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
this is a mistake, right? "The treaty was never ratified by the U.S. Senate. Instead, the Newlands Resolution by both houses of Congress annexed the Republic to the United States and it became the Territory of Hawaii." kmmnderkoala 22:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmmnderkoala ( talk • contribs)
There's no mention of Hawai'i's declaration of independence from all foreign powers dated July 15, 2003. by whom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.196.115 ( talk) 02:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Because it's a half-fantasy done by a Hawaiian separatist group that is not recognized as the legal government of Hawaii by anyone, and that only a small number of native Hawaiians support. There are dozens of such groups, and several chief ones that often grab headlines. Some advocate independence, others for a special status akin to the tribal status afforded Native American groups. There are differences and disputes among the various groups, and none command significant support among native Hawaiians, although the 'special status' concept has been floated from time to time with some popularity. There is a speparate wiki entry that details the various groups and historic efforts to create a widespread nativist movement. As mentioned, not even a majority of natives support these effort now, and support from white, Asian, and multiracial populations in Hawaii is negligible; no offense to the supporters of such organizations intended, but that's the situation now, they are rather anachronistic. 222.230.88.145 ( talk) 08:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)Vainamoinen
I'd like the order of Chinese, Japanese, and Filipino in the parentheses in the Demographics section to be in order of their population size. Filipinos are the largest Asian ancestry, followed by Japanese. Chinese is a distant third, and you might as well add Korean to the list and have four ancestries. Angrytimes ( talk) 06:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Also, the GDP per capita in the Economy section is almost a decade old. The Wikipedia page ranking states by their per capita GDP states Hawaii's per capita income was around $49,000 in 2010. It's not like more recent data aren't readily available. Angrytimes ( talk) 06:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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Please review this information it is peer reviewed documented and factual, the counter party "state of hawaii" has no legal or historical evidence to disprove this evidence and this evidence in fact proves the counter party to exist only as "illegal occupiers". take your time absorb the information, court cases are now being fought citing keanu sai's dissertation to disprove the courts jurisdiction.
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~anu/index.html http://vimeo.com/39971385 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~anu/pdf/Dissertation(Sai).pdf Manupupule ( talk) 08:39, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be some inconsistency here: the lead paragraph states that the spelling in Hawaiian is Hawaiʻi (with ʻokina), however the "spelling of state name" states that "the exact spelling of the state's name, which in the islands' language is Hawai'i (the apostrophe marking a Hawaiian consonant...)" - using an apostrophe (and indeed describing the symbol as such). Which should it be? 46.126.76.193 ( talk) 17:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Why isn't there a single Picture of a Beach in the main article of Hawaii? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakilon ( talk • contribs) 14:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Tobby hi my name is John Adams, I'm not sure that you could call ancient Hawaiian society a caste system. There was one group resembling a caste: the kauwa, who were war captives and targeted for human sacrifice. Some say that the captive's children were considered kauwa also; I'd have to check that. The society was certainly hierarchical, but families could move up the hierarchy, through success in warfare and strategic marriages. And I'm Dog
Perhaps I should have edited your addition re children under one year of age, but the wording was unfortunate. Why would you say that non-Hispanic whites were "involved" in a birth? I think you mean birth parents, but "involved" sounds sleazy, as in "involved in a crime." Also, I would want to look at the reference (I didn't, sorry) to see if it is well-founded. Zora ( talk) 22:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I removed a newly-added factoid that asserted that 85% of Hawai'i children younger than one year were "minorities". How can 85% of a population be a minority? That assumes that white is the majority (even if that isn't true) and everyone else is a minority. The assumption is biased. Zora ( talk) 18:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Not sure of it's natural place on this wiki page but I've been placing them in the other 5 "sinkhole" states Economy section. Hawaii is one of the most indebted states and I felt that including this info was valuable and timely. Feel free to revise/amend as you see fit. StickerMug ( talk) 20:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Hawai'i is NOT the 50th state! The Hawaiian Kingdom still exists today with an acting government in place. Hawai'i is recognized by 170+ member nations of the United Nations, as recently as Aug. 20, 2012. Peter Knopfler lived in Hawaii during the 70's War crimes have been reported and ACCEPTED by the United Nations Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. [3] Aloha— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.199.226.207 ( talk) 02:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Aloha and thank you Mr. Bowman. Your quote " The Hawaiian Kingdom is a non-Member State of the United Nations" is precisely the point. Hawai'i is recognized as a nation state not a US state by 170+ members of the United Nations. I should have made that more clear. Ruwanda offered their assistance in 2001 to proceed with the restoration process, but their help was graciously declined as the people of Hawai'i still do not know this information and need to be educated. Please see hawaiiankingdom.org for a more complete legal and political history of Hawai'i. Mahalo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.199.232.94 ( talk) 18:49, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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This article claims in the fifth paragraph of it's introduction that Hawaii is the only state with an Asian majority. However, as Hawaii's Asian population is, according to the article, 38.6% of its total and less than 50%, it's Asian population cannot be called a majority. The article should read "Hawaii is the only state with an Asian plurality." or "Hawaii is the only state in which Asians comprise the largest racial group." 108.45.46.88 ( talk) 23:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved per unanimous consensus and the common names policy.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 13:39, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Hawaii → Hawaiʻi – Spelling Hawaii with a "ʻ" seems to be pretty common here on Wikipidia. I've seen quite a number of articles using that spelling for no apparent reason, so let's figure this out. Do we or do we not want to spell Hawaii with a "ʻ"? Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 09:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I start this in a separate section so as not to derail the RM, but Question : how will having a discussion on the article title affect what happens in articles? A quick look at Google Books shows 5:1 proportion in favour of the spelling without the glottal stop, so it's unlikely that the title will change. But articles about Hawai'ian culture should be free to use the 'okina in the text. In ictu oculi ( talk) 15:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a very good article; unfortunately, it is marred by grammatical errors in the first paragraph. I'm writing this in the hope that we can reach a mutually acceptable agreement to correct these errors.
In the first sentence of the final paragraph of the introduction, the verb "do" should be replaced by "does." "Hawaii" is the subject of the sentence. The phrase "of two states" is a prepositional phrase, with the word "states" as the object of the preposition. The object of a preposition -- in this case "states" -- can never be the subject of a sentence. This is a hard-and-fast rule of English grammar, not a matter of opinion. Since the verb must agree in number with the subject, and the subject (Hawaii) is singular, the singular form of the verb "to do" must be used. "Does" is the singular form; "do" is the plural. For correct subject-verb agreement, the sentence should read, "Hawaii is one of two states that does not observe daylight saving time." If the verb "do" is used, it is the same as writing "Hawaii is one that do not observe daylight saving time."
In the second sentence, "It" is the subject and "states" is also the object of the preposition and cannot be a sentence subject. For grammatical correctness, the sentence should read, "It is also one of two states that is not in the Contiguous United States." Using the plural form "are" is the same as writing, "It is also one that are not in the Contiguous United States." My understanding of these grammatical rules is based on the following: 1) a PhD in English from the University of Michigan; 2) fifteen years teaching traditional English grammar and advanced linguistics at the university level; 3) seven years working as an editor in print production for one of the largest advertising firms in the country, Young & Rubicam; 4) a life-long love of reading and studying English grammar.
Here's one way of correcting the agreement errors: Hawaii and Arizona are the only states that do not observe daylight saving time. Hawaii and Alaska are the only states not in the Contiguous United States. This is a bit repetitive, but it is also concise, eliminates the awkward and troublesome prepositional phrase, moves the other state names (Arizona and Alaska) into the subject position, and resolves the subject-verb agreement error. User:EnglishTea4me ( talk)06:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Under "Climate", the parenthesis "(making it tied with Alaska as the lowest high temperature recorded in a U.S. state)" makes absolutely no sense. Apart from being unparseable, you can't compare records in high vs. low temperature. It doesn't make sense, and it breaks if you change the unit (C or F).
It has been in the article since http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hawaii&oldid=482073601#Climate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.158.203 ( talk) 17:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
QUESTION: Not sure how to do this, but here goes. The article states Hawaii has the 4th longest coastline, behind California, Florida, etc. This is not true. Michigan has a 5X longer coastline than Hawaii due to the Great Lakes. Suggest changing the article to Ocean Coastline, or remove/change statement. 173.174.157.250 ( talk) 03:19, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I've been adding "Taxpayer Burden" stats to each of the 50 states — the stat compares each state's unfunded liabilities divided by the amount of taxpayers within the state — it's a way to measure of true state fiscal debt. It was removed from Hawaii's page yesterday by user:Zora citing "politically motivated edit and link to rightwing website." While I appreciate Wiki editors' vigilance in keeping these pages neutral, I want to clarify that the addition was not politically motivated, nor is the organization cited "right wing" in any way. The org cited — Institute for Truth in Accounting — is a 501c3 non-profit, which, by definition, is unaffiliated to any political party, left or right wing. It advocates national and federal budget transparency. Please let me know how I can include this stat without it coming off as "politically motivated" because it is truly not. Thanks. StickerMug ( talk) 15:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
First off, the "Hawaiian language" is called ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi. That should be noted. Secondly, this article refers to the language as having "long and short vowels" which are noted by diacritical marks. This is incorrect. All 5 vowels have only one consistent pronunciation throughout the language. Long and short vowels refer to, in English, the ways in which (for example)the letter a can sometimes "say ah" and sometimes "say its name." The vowels in the Hawaiian language always make the same sound, as they do in Spanish. The diacritical marks are very recent additions to the language, and are used primarily to help nonnative speakers pronounce works with the correct INFLECTION, not have anything to do with long or short vowel sounds which, as I've stated, do not exist in ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.113.184.66 ( talk) 19:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Wouldn't it be better to write "chiefs often fought for power" instead of "chiefs were often fighting for power"? Cranium ( talk) 17:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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I suggest an internal link for Israel Kamakawiwoʻole in the Hawaii#Race_and_ethnicity section. It's the only location he's mentioned in this article. -- 82.170.113.123 ( talk) 16:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I have not read the whole article in a long time. A recent edit called my attention to this blurb for a tourist attraction. It unfairly promotes one tourist attraction as representing Polynesian culture. If we let this stay, we would have to have sections for all the fake luaus and tacky stage shows that purport to teach tourists about Polynesia or Hawai‘i.
I have not been to the PCC in a long time, but do not believe that the experience is any more informative than it was when I visited: inaccurate info purveyed by student demonstrators and a stage show that rejected the generally accepted version of Polynesian migration (migration from Southeast Asia) and presented a vague version that would be acceptable to LDS members. LDS doctrine says that Polynesians are Nephites who migrated here from the Americas (the Nephites in turn being Jews who migrated from Israel in a submarine). So, Polynesians are Jews. The stage show just said that the Polynesians voyaged to the islands and didn't say from WHERE.
I studied anthropology at Berkeley and U of Chicago, did fieldwork in Tonga, speak Tongan and some Hawaiian, and I was upset and angry at the travesty of Polynesian culture presented at the PCC. I do not think that this religiously-biased showbiz version should be promoted by Wikipedia. Yes, the PCC should have its own article, as it does. It does not deserve advertising space on the main Hawai‘i page. Zora ( talk) 02:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice to place a simple (even contour) map with the names of all the respective islands, somewhere near the beginning of the article? Like it's done, say, here. Now there's no such map even in the 'Geography' section. 46.186.36.102 ( talk) 18:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I am so confused. I was editing the "Ancestry groups" category under "Demographics" section, but I didn't know how to label the people of America Samoa. First I labeled them as Samoan Americans, then American Nationals then Samoans. The people of America Samoa are not American citizens unless one of their parents is a U.S. citizen...but Samoan Americans are American citizens of Samoan origin. Samoans are split between Samoa, American Samoa and the US, so I guess someone with more knowledge should fix my "population of Hawaii" chart edit to reflect the proper label. Chic3z ( talk) 22:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Hawaii is NOT the only US state which grows coffee. Even if we ignore the idea that a State grows coffee, rather than coffee grows in a state... Coffee is grown in many states; in green houses. A LLC is developing 1000 plants (they are growing NOW) for commercial harvest in 2014 in Georgia. Since I do not know the extent of the Hawaiian crop, I can not suggest the correct way to phrase a claim. I have not researched extensively, but a claim of "only" for a crop should really be used cautiously, if at all, IMHO. Please either remove or qualify with "commercially significant amounts" or some such obfuscation. 173.189.78.18 ( talk) 22:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Under Topography - "Kaʻala is a small island near Niʻihau that is often overlooked." should read "Kaʻula is a small island near Niʻihau that is often overlooked." Ka'ala is a mountain on Oahu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.38.157.239 ( talk) 03:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
That's not a really correct (US) usage. I vote for "Government" and I will change it in a couple of days unless I see push-back here. Kortoso ( talk) 16:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Where would these fit? March 26: Prince Kuhio Day June 11: King Kamehameha Day August 16: Statehood Day — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kortoso ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hawaii was discovered by the spaniards. Here is a map from 1752, you can see the islands as La Mesa, La Desgraciada, etc. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/1750_Anson_Map_of_Baja_California_and_the_Pacific_w-_Trade_Routes_from_Acapulco_to_Manila_-_Geographicus_-_MerDuSud-anson-1750.jpg
The demographics section is primarily based on 2005 data, not recent 2010 census data, and needs to be updated, especially the paragraph on population density. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributor tom ( talk • contribs) 08:41, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
In the fourth paragraph, "Lānaʻi" is misspelled as "Lanaʻi". Please fix this. Mahalo nui loa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.195.252 ( talk) 04:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
The last sentence of the section "Overthrow of 1893—the Republic of Hawaii (1894–1898)" mentions that the first immigrants to arrive from Japan came in 1885. This is somewhat correct (my family came to Hawaiʻi legally in 1885 from Japan, but others came illegally in 1868), but appears to be mentioned in the wrong place. Please clarify and move this to a more appropriate section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.195.252 ( talk) 05:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
There has been an editor that has removed material with reliable sources from Cost of living. This editor has left summary remarks that state "Sources are not credible or reliable," "Please cite references from reliable sources," & "This is political propaganda disseminated by a fringe political group," even though the sources include Hawaii Business Magazine, Bloomberg Businessweek, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, & the Hawaii State Legislature. I have left a note pointing the editor to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy & the information suppression section of the Wikipedia:NPOV tutorial. As of the time of this comment, that editor has fallen afoul of the three-revert rule. Please monitor the Cost of living section & revert any further disruptive editing. If deletion of properly sourced material continues to be a problem & you see evidence of Wikipedia:Edit warring, please consider placing the {{ subst: an3-notice}} to warn the editor & using the edit warring noticeboard. Peaceray ( talk) 20:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I would like to address my issues with the Hawaii, Cost of Living section. The Third paragraph as follows:"One of the most significant contributors to the high cost of living in Hawaii is the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (also known as the Jones Act), which prevents foreign-flagged ships from carrying cargo between two American ports (a practice known as cabotage). Most U.S. consumer goods are manufactured in East Asia at present, but because of the Jones Act, foreign ships inbound with those goods cannot stop in Honolulu, offload Hawaii-bound goods, load mainland-bound Hawaii-manufactured goods, and continue to West Coast ports. Instead, they must proceed directly to the West Coast, where distributors break bulk and send Hawaiian-bound Asian-manufactured goods back west across the ocean by U.S.-flagged ships.[129][130]" I object to the labeling of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 as one of the most significant contributors to the high cost of living in Hawaii. The related contributing factor that out weighs all others is that Hawaii is over 2000 miles from the nearest U.S. major ports on the west coast. If you were to remove the Jones Act entirely that would not change the geography of the State of Hawaii. I would also point out that Hawaii has very few exports for Asia and the largest export of Hawaii is U.S. Military Equipment and the transfer of personal goods and vehicles from both military and civilians leaving the Islands for the U.S. Mainland. I would hope for a more unbiased and objective statement possibly as follows: "Shipping and Transportation are the most significant contributors to the high cost of living in Hawaii." Reference 129 refers to the statements of Mike Hansen a paid lobbyist for the Hawaii Shippers Council. His statements should not be taken as the gospel unless they are also presented with facts and arguments of equal weight by those that oppose his point of view. Mr. Hansen is not NEUTRAL in his presentation of information related to the Merchant Marine Act of 1920. One more issue I would like to address is that in recent years those with anti-protectionist ideas would confuse all the arguments of that view point with addressing a law that has great support in the United States. I would like to point to Adam Smith in "The Wealth of Nations" Most countries enact cabotage laws for reasons of economic protectionism, national security, or public safety. Renowned economist Adam Smith noted in chapter two of An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations that “when some particular sort of industry is necessary for the defence of the country” then it will “generally be advantageous to lay some burden upon foreign, for the encouragement of domestic industry,” citing specifically to England’s acts of navigation, which “very properly endeavour to give the sailors and shipping of Great Britain the monopoly of the trade of their own country.” “As defence, however, is of much more importance than opulence, the act of navigation is, perhaps, the wisest of all the commercial regulations in England,” said Smith in Wealth of Nations. [1] In closing I would say I realize the "Jones Act" is protectionist in nature but many of the claims of exorbitant shipping costs in the Hawaii trade are unproven by reliable studies and GAO studies related to the Merchant Marine Act of 1920 are possibly the most dependable for facts and statistics. I was invited to this talk forum to explain my edits. I hope I have put this in the proper forum. Thanks for allowing me to express my reason for the edits. CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk) 13:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz 1318 UCT 3/18/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Reference(132) mentions Sam Slom as a Senator that introduced SR11. Sam Slom is the minority leader in the State Senate of Hawaii.The resolution received no support in the Senate. This resolution died in conference. CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk) 15:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz
P.S. I get it. I will try to resolve disputes in article talk section. :) CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk) 17:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz 17:34 3/18/2014 Sorry for the disruption.
Peaceray ( talk) 19:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
The "Jones Act" may cause minimal increase in shipping costs to consumers however the articles you site are mostly focused on Propaganda an example is the failed lawsuit of John Carroll. That was dismissed for lack of standing on the part of the John Carroll. The headline is sensationalized to make it sound as if it had merit. The Hawaii, Alaska team up headline is more propaganda attributed to Mike Hansen. The video conference was not a public event because there is very little public support. This was closed to most of the public with the reason given as lack of seating. So a couple of lobbyist from Hawaii video conference with a couple of lobbyist in Alaska and it portrays it as two states working together. It in fact is a nothing more than a few publicity craving lobbyist making a mountain out of a mole hill. Many of the Statements like the headline heralding a tenfold increase in shipping prices blaming the "Jones Act" in the article by Malia Zimmerman are just outright yellow journalism. The Hawaii Reporter along with the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii show a disregard for facts and substance in their reporting that boggles the mind. One made up story after another put out by the Hawaii Reporter will be picked up by one news agency after the other with few or none verifying or vetting facts. Tell a lie enough times and it doesn't matter what the truth is. CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk) 21:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz— Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk • contribs) 20:59, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
In 50 words or less I will try to explain: Claims that blame the "Jones Act" for exorbitant costs should be checked and verified by government statistics and studies such as the studies by the GAO (Government Accountability Office). Many of the costs associated with transport and shipping to Hawaii with its remote geographic location are blamed on the "Jones Act". In fact Hawaii's small population and isolation combined with a lack of export commodities and manufacturing make Hawaii a poor candidate for a transport hub in the Pacific. Guam has an exemption and they have not realized the promises of drastically reduced shipping costs in spite of their closer proximity to China,India, Japan and the far eastern economic powers. The speculation regarding the benefits of repeal of the "Jones Act" are not based in fact or reliable U.S. Government studies. In addition National Security issues and loss of manufacturing capabilities related to security would be very difficult to replace once they are gone. Tens of thousands of U.S jobs performed by highly trained maritime workers would be lost forever. Training schools and facilities related to ship building and operation would close. CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk) 09:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz
What constitutes a transport hub in the 19th century days of sail does not necessarily constitute the modern transport hub in the 21st century. Hawaii has Pearl Harbor that serves the United States Military both Army and Navy since 1911. The innovation of steam ships over sail. The advent of WWI and WWII. Air Travel serves most of the tourist industy now. Cost of fuel is a major factor with Fuel at over $100 dollars per barrel. The increase in cargo capacity of modern vessels. If you look at the amount of cargo carried by sail ships compared to modern diesel ships and figure the increase in productivity related to tons of cargo and seaman required to move cargo safely. One modern diesel vessel carries more cargo now than a harbor full of sail vessels 200 years ago. With a large increase in productivity by maritime workers to operate modern vessels and load and discharge cargo. Industries like pineapple and sugar cane have been outsourced to the Philippines, Central America and South America still in many cases operated by the same companies but with cheaper land and labor cost associated with agriculture. The availability of both land with the cost of land being a significant factor. Hawaii has limited land resources for agriculture compared to Brazil, China and India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk • contribs) 11:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Lanai is 98% privately owned by Larry Ellison of "Oracle" at present. It use to grow pineapples. Dole pineapples used to have a large plantation operation there. They closed up and moved. Population of Lanai is about 3000 people now. Dole used to run a small tug and barge operation to transport the pineapples. They do not export much now. Land development would make the property much more valuable than agriculture. I think Mr. Ellison may very well go into agriculture. I have only read about his plans. Organic farms would certainly help the price of food in Hawaii. At present there isn't much produce being exported that I am aware of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainWrongwayPeachfuzz ( talk • contribs) 13:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
References 75 and 76 are attached to and support the following section of the main page:
On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted by a ratio of 17 to 1 to accept. The choices were to accept the Act or to remain a territory, without the option of independence
For starters, I looked and don't see any specific information in either of those references that actually say anything about the text - no 17:1 info anywhere, no comment on which choices were available in the referendum. Perhaps I missed it and someone can point it out? Also, at least one, and really both references aren't even close to what could be considered either neutral or third party references. The statements in the article are very factual and apparently non-controversial - isn't there a better reference to support that info?
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On June 27, 1959, a plebiscite was held to allow Hawai`i residents to ratify the congressional vote for statehood. The 'yes for statehood' garnered 94.3 percent (132,773 votes) while the 'no' ballots totaled 5.7 percent (7,971 votes).
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Provide link to Main Article "Climate of Hawaii" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Hawaii in head of "Climate" section. Thanks. Wvanbusk ( talk) 23:32, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Can I request an edit then? The section "Overthrow of 1893—the Republic of Hawaii (1894–1898)" includes a line about Japanese immigrants in 1885 - can this be moved to an earlier section where the chronology would be correct - assuming the date given is correct! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.84.195 ( talk) 19:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The article gives an example "(like Japan)" as a example where "West Coast ports as a shopping destination for tourists from home countries with much higher taxes (like Japan)." Neither referenced source mentions Japan, and I find it extremely hard to believe. Until April 2014, Japan's consumption (sales) tax was 5%. It is now 8%, but this is still very similar or even less than the 7.5% to 10% sales tax found in California. If tourists from Japan do shop for Asian-manufactured goods in California, I guess it would be non-Japanese goods and that difference might have something to do with import duties, market forces, etc. but probably not sales/consumption tax. Computermacgyver ( talk) 09:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
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Under the demographics section it says that hawaii's population was 400,000 and the description says captain hooks crew... i think that is wrong. I tryed to change it but i don't know the real numbers so i just left it. 75.165.3.201 ( talk) 20:58, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Currently the first part of the section "religion" gives the following numbers:
According to data provided by religious establishments, religion in Hawaiʻi in 2000 was distributed as follows: Christianity: 351,000 (28.9%), Buddhism: 110,000 (9%), Judaism: 10,000 (0.8%), Other: 100,000 (10%)*, Unaffiliated: 650,000 (51.1%)**
The source provided is the State of Hawaii Data Book 2000, Section 1 Population, Table 1.47. However, I couldn't find any of these figures [9]. Am I missing something? Gugganij ( talk) 16:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
The conventional wisdom that Capt. James Cook was the first European to “discover” Hawaii in 1778 is wrong. The debate over which Western nation first came to our shores was mentioned as early as 1899 when the book, “Our Islands and Their People — As Seen With Camera and Pencil” asserted that “Gaetano, a Spanish navigator, first recorded the discovery of these islands in 1542.” Others have dismissed that conclusion. But new evidence I discovered in Amsterdam this summer confirms that Captain Cook was preceded by the Spanish. But first, here is some of the evidence advanced to date that the Spanish arrived here first: >> For 223 years before Cook, Spanish galleons sailed each year between Acapulco and Manila. Because Hawaii lies along the route, it defies logic that Spanish navigators consistently missed our islands. >> In 1743, British Commodore George Anson captured a Spanish galleon near Acapulco which had a chart depicting several islands — “Groupe de la Mesa” and “Los Monges” — in the general location and exact latitude of Hawaii. >> Captain Cook’s own navigational chart of the Pacific included the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii) and, to the east, seven islands called “Los Mejos.” >> In 1786, French explorer la Perouse searched to the east of Hawaii in vain for the “Los Mejos” islands, concluding they were in fact Hawaii. >> The late Hawaiian artist Herb Kawainui Kane’s book, “Voyagers,” references a 1613 globe in England’s National Maritime Museum that illustrates a “cluster of small islands” roughly where Hawaii ought to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.122.175.50 ( talk) 10:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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Under External Links - Fix the broken link to the Hawaii State Fact Sheets From USDA . The correct link should be: http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/state-fact-sheets/state-data.aspx?StateFIPS=15&StateName=Hawaii#.U8PzP_ldUeo
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