Talk:Hawaii

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Former good article nomineeHawaii was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 21, 2006 Featured article candidateNot promoted
September 7, 2010 Good article nomineeNot listed
May 23, 2015 Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee


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Lead sentence

It says:

Hawaii ( /həˈwi/ ( About this sound listen) hə-WY-ee; Hawaiian: Hawaiʻi [həˈvɐjʔi]), alternatively spelled Hawai’i, is a state of the United States of America.

The link on the first word, though it converts to bold in the article, should be removed and coded as bold. The link " Hawai’i" only redirects back here, so should be removed. Also, isn't that "apostrophe" the wrong way round? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c5:4b91:ab00:8ad:3401:79d7:c607 ( talk) 1:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Good points; I edited the lede accordingly. Aoi (青い) ( talk) 01:08, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

The W in the name Hawaii is pronounced as a V and not a W. Nancy DeLucrezia ( talk) 03:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that pronunciation is the 2nd one offered in the article: "Hawaiian: Hawaiʻi [həˈvɐjʔi])". Although mainlanders pronounce it with a W, and that is considered incorrect by Hawaiians, it's still by far the most common pronunciation in the English-speaking world, so both pronunciations are detailed in that first line. JimKaatFan ( talk) 03:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hawaii or Hawai'i?

Is the state supposed to be spelled as "Hawaii" or "Hawai'i" throughout the article? I usually see it spelled as Hawaii but maybe Hawaiians spell it as Hawai'i. We should probably decide on which one to go with and stick with it. -- Roastedturkey ( talk) 15:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@ Roastedturkey: Hi, first of all it is not but Hawai'i but Hawaiʻi. It uses the ʻOkina, which "is a unicameral consonant letter used within the Latin script to mark the phonemic glottal stop, in many Polynesian languages." If you go to hawaii.gov & start clicking around, you will see Hawai'i, Oʻahu, Kauaʻi, Lānaʻi, & Molokaʻi. The State of Hawai'i has been shifting to this spelling. As Kamana’o Mills, a member of the Hawai’i Board on Geographic Names put it: “Technically it’s not a name change. It’s a spelling correction.” [ʻOkina 1]
The problem is exasperated by the lack of an easy way of inputting an ʻokina using a western keyboard. That is why we have the {{ ʻokina}} template.
We need to have a through discussion involving WikiProject Hawaii before we decide to excise the use of the ʻokina from articles.
Peaceray ( talk) 15:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • MOS Hawaii-related articles As long as we have "anybody can edit", who is going to monitor every Hawaii-related article to make sure anything stays in place? It's nice to be uniform in anything, but the very structure of Wikipedia makes it impossible to keep anything uniform. Because I was initially asked several times to insert the okina, or move a set of articles to titles with the okina, I've been using it myself on what I create. And sometimes I either forget, or don't know a word should have the okina. We don't have enough regular users, much less admins, to pull off adhering to this rule, either direction. It will never be perfect. — Maile ( talk) 16:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hawaii or Hawaiʻi? references

  1. ^ "Hawaii or Hawai'i: What's the official spelling?". Honolulu, Hawaii news, sports & weather. 2016-03-10. Retrieved 2020-03-17.

indigenous

The page mentions "indigenous" numerous times in reference to native Hawaiians times yet Native Hawaiians are not indigenous to the island, they were settlers. I've mentioned this before but it seems that have been disregarded. If the admins insist on continuing to use the word indigenous to describe natives then please explain on the page what they evolved from, was it lava? HardeeHar ( talk) 23:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

See indigenous peoples. -- Khajidha ( talk) 19:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Biased/propaganda page

It's biased and is propaganda to refer to native Hawaiians as indigenous yet call persons of Asians, European, Hispanic, and African decent as settlers as no group is indigenous to the island; natives were also settlers. HardeeHar ( talk) 23:54, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@ HardeeHar: An indigenous people has the connotation of referring to the first people who settled the land. Therefore the use of the word indigenous to refer to the people of Marquesan & Polynesian descent who settled in Hawaiʻi a millennia ago is correct and appropriate. In other words, the people who got someplace first & lived hundreds or thousands of years there before anyone else arrived, get to be called indigenous, based upon the common understanding of the word. Peaceray ( talk) 15:51, 17 March 2020 (UTC)