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Companies of Boston, 128, 495
Geographic features (rivers, hills...)
Recreation (parks, swimming, cycling, fishing...)
Communications (TV, radio, newspapers, Internet, antenna farm)
Research facilities (observatories, labs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fg2 ( talk • contribs) 11:06, 6 August 2004 (UTC)
If Greater Boston indeed has 5.8 million people, it should have more than two congressman - specifically, that's about 10 congressmen - presumably the 2 NH congressmen and 8 of the 10 MA ones. john k 05:39, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Eighth district includes at least Somerville which is certainly greater Boston — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.51.251.201 ( talk) 22:51, 22 November 2004 (UTC)
Framingham is most certainly not the "largest town in North America"; that honor probably goes to Hempstead (town), New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121a0012 ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
For the infobox I used 4,424,649—the 2004 estimate for Boston-Cambridge-Quincy in List of United States metropolitan statistical areas by population. —David618 23:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
In trying to update the CSA data for the Boston... CSA, I came upon two conflicting sources. This source suggests a 2000 population of 5,517,730. This source lists a 2000 population of 7,316,770, with a 2005 population of 7,427,336. This second source is much higher than I've ever heard for the Boston area. I cannot figure out the source for the discrepancies. The three principal cities are the same for both sources; the first source is in "MA-CT-NH" while the second is in "MA-RI-NH" (which would seem to suggest an even smaller area, not a larger area). With the exception of the figures for Boston, all of the other figures (e.g. Washington-Baltimore, San Franscisco, New York, Houston, Dallas, Detroit, Saint Louis, Los Angeles, etc.) seem reasonable and in agreement with other sources. I'm almost inclined to think this might be a mistake (but only for Boston) and am inclined to contact the U.S. C.B. if I don't any revealing information on their website. Anyone have any ideas??? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ufwuct 01:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
This article is confusing, claiming that Manchester (NH), Worcester, and Providence (RI) are all in Greater Boston, then citing a definition with population data that uses a significantly smaller area. United States metropolitan area lists "Boston–Cambridge–Quincy" as 11th largest, and that title's link points here, but the List of United States metropolitan areas shows a separate entry for "Providence–New Bedford–Fall River," ranked 35th largest at 1.6 million people, another separate entry for "Worcester," ranked 64th at 783 thousand, and yet another entry for "Manchester–Nashua," ranked 120th at 401 thousand. The sum of these numbers would make this article's definition of Greater Boston have a population of over 7.2 million.
I have lived and worked in Greater Boston for my whole life ... I've never heard of Manchester being included in Greater Boston, and Worcester is considered all-but in Greater Boston. The definition I've always lived by is that of I-495, with the real action happening inside MA-128. This seems to fit with the census data above, with the exception of "Rockingham County–Strafford County," which is outside I-495 (and I do not personally consider to be within Greater Boston). -- Adam Katz 17:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The Census Bureau defines metropolitan areas in whole county units, which is how the Boston-Worchester-Manchester CSA is made. But for New England, where towns function more like counties do elsewhere, the Census Bureau also defines metropolitan areas based on cities and towns (NECTA = "New England City and Town Area"), which is how the Boston-Cambridge-Quincy MA-NH Metropolitan NECTA is made. Then there is a "combined" NECTA, the Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH-CT CNETA. So there are three different definitions of "metro Boston" provided by the Census Bureau. Since the CSA form is common for the whole USA, it is perhaps the obvious one to use for Boston, but as User:Kmusser pointed out, it probably makes more sense to use the NECTA or CNECTA. They were specifically created to better define New England metro areas after all.
Not being that familiar with Greater Boston, I'm not sure which definition should be used on this page, although perhaps the differences between the three ought to be described in the text somewhere. For the infobox, perhaps the NECTA (which reaches slightly into NH but not as far as Manchester) should be used, rather than the CNECTA (which incluedes Manchester and parts of CT). In any case, here are some links and population figures from the 2000 Census:
CSA: Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH. Population (2000): 5,715,698 [1] [2]
NECTA: Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metropolitan NECTA. Population (2000): 4,540,941 [3] [4]
CNECTA: Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH-CT Combined New England City and Town Area. Population (2000): 5,517,730 [5] [6]
There are probably more recent population estimates somewhere on the Census website, but I'm not sure where. Also, one more twist, the "Metropolitan NECTA" is subdivided into "NECTA Divisions". There are 9 divisions for the "Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metropolitan NECTA". The largest by far is "Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA NECTA Division", population (2000) 2,773,832. The other 8 divisions all have populations below 300,000 and include places like Brockton-Bridgewater-Easton, Framingham, Haverhill-North Andover-Amesbury, Lawrence-Methuen-Salem, Lowell-Billerica-Chelmsford, Lynn-Peabody-Salem, and Taunton-Norton-Raynham. I think these are all considered "Greater Boston".
More info on the various metro area definitions here: http://www.census.gov/population/www/estimates/aboutmetro.html Pfly 19:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
It is listed under Cities of Grater Boston, but not shown on map. Worcester is not in greater Boston. Only Cities and towns inside the 495 beltway are considered to be part of greater boson. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dorazine ( talk • contribs).
I do not understand why Massachusetts would not be stronger if the Boston-Worcester corridor were not treated as a single unit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepkoka ( talk • contribs) 22:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Wanted to move this discussion here and look for more input:
Any objections/ideas? CSZero 17:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The expansion of the Greater Boston CSA engulfed the remainder of Rhode Island without adding Providence to the name. A city of that size, much larger than Worcester or Manchester to boot, without a doubt needs to be included in the name. After all, without it, San Francisco and Philadelphia would still have larger CSA populations than Greater Boston. Heff01 04:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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Here is this section I am questioning, and I will provide several reasons below:
This list has been provided by the Census based on commuter populations, and is generally not what a resident of the area would consider the principal cities of the region.
Comments:
The entire introductory sentence as written violates the following guidelines:
WP:Citing sources The sentence is likely to be challenged because the list names some locations but not others without providing a source. If the source is dead, another needs to be found. The original source from 2006 is possibly somewhere within the archives at http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.html, but the latest figures for 2008 should be used if the same list exists there.
WP:Verifiability The sentence is not verifiable because of the lack of a source, and similarly the list itself is not verifiable because it isn't clear which data set is being used. Are these all from the CSA, MSA, the NECTA or some other list the census has published? The criteria for this list needs to be explicitly stated.
WP:Avoid weasel words The second part of the sentence, "and is generally not what a resident of the area would consider the principal cities of the region" is ambiguous in that the area is not defined and generally together with consider implies opinions which are not within the scope of census data and can not be proven with reliable sources. That part of the introductory sentence for the list is simply not allowed under multiple guidelines.
I have no problem with having this list included in the article as long as it is clear what the criteria for inclusion (population of city/town >50K? commuter population>some number?) and what the area is but a source that provides the exact list needs to be added; if towns or cities are left out or added by criteria established after the fact here on Wikipedia, that constitutes a violation of the policy against original research. However, the second half of the sentence needs to be left out entirely because it states an unprovable opinion. For now, I removed that part of the sentence and unless a source is found for the list and given in the text explaining what the "area" is, it should be removed as well. Sswonk ( talk) 16:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Note: The Boston city population was revised by the US Census, July 2008 to 620,535 as corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.214.252.242 ( talk) 20:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Currently the lead says "...Metro Boston is usually reserved to signify the "inner core" surrounding the City of Boston, while Greater Boston usually at least overlaps the North and South Shores, as well as MetroWest and the Merrimack Valley." There's a "citation needed" on the first phrase about Metro Boston. Some quick searching seems to show that the terms Metro and Greater Boston are very often used interchangeably, and with varying definitions/delineations. This MetroBoston website defines "Metro Boston" as a fairly large area, and on various pages uses the term "Greater Boston" for the same region. Its planning region includes "most of the communities inside the I-495 corridor". This website, Greater Boston Employment Collaborative uses the terms Metro and Greater interchangeably, and defines it as "within Route 128". Confusingly, the site also defines a "Metro West", beyond "Greater Boston". Anyway, my brief search for clarity on these terms only made me more confused. Either better, clearer sources should be found or our page should explain how neither term is particularly well defined. Pfly ( talk) 17:07, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
The descriptions of the various statistical areas need to be checked against the current definitions (as used in the 2010 census) and the populations should show the 2010 numbers and not 2005 estimates. I added {{ update section}} to the CSA section without realizing that all three of the OMB/Census-based sections need the same kind of updates. 121a0012 ( talk) 16:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
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Yes, they belong in different articles covering central Massachusetts, if anywhere. Reify-tech ( talk) 12:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
By what criteria are the "principal cities and towns" determined? I assumed it would be proximity (i.e. following the light-blue towns highlighted on the map), however the bulleted list includes several municipalities that are quite a distance away, many of which wouldn't normally be considered part of Greater Boston (e.g. New Bedford, Barnstable, Provincetown, Edgartown, West Tisbury), while omitting many municipalities that are more often considered "Greater Boston", and many of which are even highlighted on the map (e.g. Rochester, Middleborough, Lakeville, Plympton, Carver). This seems like something that should be re-evaluated, especially since that particular section offers no references or sources and seems rather arbitrary. VSatire ( talk) 13:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)