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The Gilgamesh Prologues are mentioned on Talk:Lilith, does anyone know what these are and if so maybe write a bit in this article or even make a new article for these Prologues?
Enkidu was Gilgamesh's better half, his wild self, his alter ego. Enkidu takes over the throne from Gilgamesh. He kills Gilgamesh in battle. There are no standard versions of gilgamesh, there are a ton of different versions of the same epic, then there are other storys of gilgamesh's exploits, each one a hand written copy of the other likely having other story elements added in by the scribe. the "standard" version you speak of is just a few versions that have more in common with each other. The story of lilith likely comes from various legends floating around in the mid east, as some of the rejected books of the bible, and i think even hebrew lore mention her. - DAFONZ
Is it not important to mention the similarities between Noah's arc in the bible and the great flood within the texts of Gilgamesh along with the dating of each book. Gilgamesh is about a larger story, but even the history channel emphasizes the aforementioned similarities bewteen both books and the fact that Gilgamesh precedes the writing of the Bible. Not everyone knows this, however most history erudites do.
I'd say its very important to mention that, unless it is considered too religious . . .
There are no similarities with the bible, the story mentions a survivor of the flood, considering that gilgamesh himself is of the same stock as the early hebrews he would have heard the same legends and both peoples would have experianced the same things, as a result both the sumerians and early hebrews experianced the supposed flood. (The flood story is probably as old as modern humans in the area and could relate to the sudden increase in moisture after the last ice age ended, which would have resulted in catastrophic flooding all over the mediterrainian)
The archeologist Dr. David P. Livingston, argues that Gilgamesh is the biblical Nimrod (descendat of Noah) http://www.ancientdays.net/nimrod.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.148.238 ( talk) 19:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
It states in the Biography that Gilgamesh might have ruled during the 26th century B.C.E.. This is incorrect information. The correct information is that he might have ruled in 2650 B.C.E.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.56.101 ( talk) 00:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The reining kings of the Third dynasty of Ur (2111-2004 B.C.) universally avowed themselves and their city as descended from the semi-divine heroes Enmerkar, Lugalbanda and Gilgamesh, who lived around 2700 B.C. Their tales were originally transmitted orally, and later modified by successive generations. During the Third Dynasty they may have been first codified, written down, and then spread abroad. The earliest discovered versions come from 18th and 17th centuries B.C. The Epics of Enmerkar and Lugalbanda deal with historical events of the 4th and 3rd millennia B. C. (4th millennia = 3999 to 3000 B.C., 3rd 2999-2000 B. C.) These historical epics describe relations between Mesopotamia and Iran. Most scholars accept these as having some remote yet valid historical sources. From what I have researched it appears that Gilgamesh himself was indeed a very real historical person, the leader of a proto-literate Uruk of around 2700 B.C. Rachida10z ( talk) 15:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I corrected the link to "Deluge myth", but, since that article contains many other deluge myths, I would like the link to go to the section specifically referring to the Babylonian Flood. Can anyone make that happen, or is it impossible? Here are two URLs to the section I want to link to, the first being the URL of the section, and the second being the URL to edit the section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth#Babylonian_.28Epic_of_Gilgamesh.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Deluge_myth&action=edit§ion=4
Thanks! Taquito1 ( talk) 01:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the change from "epic hero" to "protagonist" is not good. Gilgamesh is, after all, the very archetype of the epic hero! I will revert it sooner or later if someone does not persuade me otherwise. Taquito1 ( talk) 01:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
How was Gilgamesh's name written in cuneiform? Inanna and Enki, for example, have their names written in cuneiform. It would be helpful to have his name in cuneiform as well. 130.101.167.35 ( talk) 04:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Most scholars agree that Gilgamesh was a fictional figure, much like Odysseus, but this article's tone suggests that the epic is based on a real historical figure. Perhaps revision is needed to help prevent this misconception?
67.171.69.95 ( talk) 02:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
There is so much to be added to this article. I would love to offer some editing ideas. Rachida10z ( talk) 22:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Isn't his heritage impossible? I just tried his heritage out to great-great-great-great grandfathers/mothers and it doesn't evenly split into thirds. Are they rounding?
207.172.203.54 207.172.203.54 ( talk) 12:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Wow this article is just utterly ridiculous. The pop culture overshadows the rest of the article, yet a long bibligraphy is included, which makes zero sense, w/ the pop culture being the main focal point of the entire article. I can tell you there is plenty of info on Gilgamesh to fill this article to its capicity, w/out the needence of an pop culture section. Whoever, included this long book list of bibliography but filled the article up with pop culture nonsense is an idiot. I don't think the article barely references the biblio section, theres like one or two paragraphs and thats it on the actual Gilgamesh and I am pretty sure that what is said in those paragraphs does not even come close to using that many books to do so.
I mean for starters, one could count the differences in various versions and translations of Gilgamesh! That alone could fill this article up.
This article is in dire need of love and care. I expect way better than this from wikpedia and than editors on such a high profile, important, and popular myth as Gilgamesh. I mean I have seen bad articles in my time, but I think this is the worst.
Xuchilbara 03:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
No. It shouldn't even be up there. We have a seperate page for those kind of things. Its trivial and of little importance to the historical Gilgamesh. Xuchilbara ( talk) 09:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it is of no importance. I would say it is not of enormous importance. There should be this In Pop Culture section although it should not be big. I think, too, that this article is too small. 75.48.30.93 ( talk) 01:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Please talk more about Gilgamesh's life and not about summerian (Anon.)
its not a christian tradition, its a normal one, all cultures do it. It has been theorized that the Epic itself was cobbled together by a single writer from various earlier myths and turned into one fluid story. Also, Gilgamesh had a life outside of the epic, and was one of the earliest post flood sumerian kings, i think the 3rd or fifth, so a simple biography would be this:
"Gilgamesh was the ruler of the city of Uruk on the Euphrates river around 2650 BC, He was the subject of many legends and storys, including the first known work of liturature in the history of humanity, the 'Epic of Gilgamesh', in historical records of the kings of Sumeria, he is listed as the 5th king of Uruk. That is, part of the 5th generation after the flood."
wasnt that hard was it? -DAFONZ
is it not important to understand and explain why it is written that Gilgamesh undertook a journey to meet the gods and passed through the Gate of the Sun(Tiahuanaco,South America)? how was he able to do this,the gate of the sun is in Tiahuanaco still to this day,is it not then archeological evidence which cannot be ignored,that must point to some kind of intercontinental travel in pre history?how is this possible considering the level of technology from the era(2000-3000 BC)?also how did a chronicler in the middle east know that such a place existed? surely these are more perplexing questions. Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.74.21 ( talk) 22:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Gilgamesh ruled in Uruk around year 2650 BC.
He was son of
Lugalbanda and the goddess Rimat
Ninsun.
He made his people work very much to build new monuments and became then a tyrant.
When he meets
Enkidu, he stops being a tyrant.
With his friend, he killed the king
Huwawa and a giant Bull.
When Enkidu died, he was afraid to die and searched for the plant of immortality.
After bringing it from the waters of death, a snake ate the plant.
Gilgamesh died lying next to his beloved friend Enkidu.
Yeah, Enkidu isn't mentioned at all. He should be. 99.174.92.174 ( talk) 22:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Berossus, a Babylonian priest writing in the early third century BCE, lists Gilgamesh as the third ruler after the flood. An interesting detail is that Gilgamesh is described as king of Babylon, rather than Uruk /ref/ R. E. Gmirkin, Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus p 119./ref/
I don't know what version of Berossus this source may be referring to, but this is dubious or confused information. The specialist books on the Gilgamesh legend have all done exhaustive searches for any name from classical antiquity bearing the slightest resemblance to "Gilgamesh", and this section already summarizes what they have said on the closest forms they could find. If Berossus indeed had the exact name "Gilgamesh" on his king list, or anything like it, that would indeed be startling news to most specialists in the field of Gilgamesh literature. Til Eulenspiegel ( talk) 11:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
There was a sentence in the introduction: "Gilgamesh is described as two parts god and one part man (the figure of two-thirds divine inheritance is highly specific in the ancient work and has recently been revealed to possibly represent the genetic conditions of mosaicism or chimerism)<ref>{{cite journal |author=Ashrafian H |title=Ancient genetics--was Gilgamesh a mosaic? |journal=[[Genet Med]] |volume=10 |issue=11 |pages=843 |year=2008 |pmid=18941417 |doi= |url=}}</ref>."
It is a very ridiculous thing to interpret a single detail like "two-thirds divine inheritance" as suggesting something like mosaicism or chimerism. Unfortunately I seem not to be able to find even an abstract of the cited article. Maybe there is something interesting enough to be included, therefor I moved the reference here. --
Tomdo08 (
talk) 18:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Is it sensible to include mention of Gilgamesh in astrology-related articles? I have found an explanation of the epic in astrological terms in Lewis Spence's Myths and Legends of Babylonia and Assyria, 1916. pp.182-183 (facsimile edition can be seen on Google Books). Is this still a current interpretation? Are there any recent scholarly texts that can be used? Many thanks. Itsmejudith ( talk) 13:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I've took a bash at cleaning up the external links. I've Removed the link to wsu.edu as the link has been dead for quite a long time, if someone wants to search their website to see if it's been moved feel free to do so, the old link was WSU.edu http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM WSU.edu I've Put the Electronic Text Corpus link and combined it as the ETCSL link as it was the same site listed twice, and the version removed lead to a landing page with little information. Added link for R. Campbell Thompson and also added a link to the Complete Academic Works of which he translated. This book is in the Public Sector to my knowledge for the UK and EU, but possibly not so for outside the EU. Re-organised the authors into alphabetical order. Split out the link for "Comparison of The Epic of Gilgamesh to the Genesis flood", as it was not a translation but simply a comparison.
Looking at the notes some background research could really do with being done so that ISBN's for example are added, I might give this a bash myself in the coming weeks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero King Gilgamesh ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Although not mentioned in the main Wikipedia disambiguation, Gilgamesh was also called "Intestine Face" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anderson caleb ( talk • contribs) 13:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
One of Gilgamesh's alternate names on the pages is listed as "King of Heroes". Is that actually an epitaph of his, or did someone just sneak in some Fate/zero-related material like has been done on several other pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.197.179.53 ( talk) 19:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
The image used as illustration, titled "Gilgamesh as illustrated in The Chaldean Account of Genesis (1876)" is evidently a drawing of the relic uncovered by Paul-Émile Botta and currently exposed at the Louvre, the very same which photograph is currently used as an illustration for Enkidu !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.179.161.157 ( talk) 00:55, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
This article is categorized with " monomyth". Since the monomyth is a hypothesis with (as I understand it), no prevalence in academia (i.e. a fringe theory), it should be regarded as just a guess and not a fact. There's a lot of speculations about the meaning of Gilgamesh and other old myths, but I don't see that they have a place in reputable encyclopedias. So I'll delete it if no convincing arguments show up. Devadatta ( talk) 15:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I just read the following: " A number of religious analyses of the inscriptions find evidence within the text for a claim of divine intervention"
I'm not qualified to judge this claim. Does anyone know if this this fringe theory? Wiki-proofer-and-tagger ( talk) 04:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)