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Duke TIP About Talent Search has a list of the states covered by Center for Talent Development, Center for Talented Youth, Rocky Mountain Talent Search, and Talent Identification Program. -- Christopherlin 07:31, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
This article's introductory passage focuses primary about gifted education in the United States. We need someone who knows about how gifted education works internationally as well (this involves specifying AP as only in the US and Canada and some international schools, for example). However, I am so Americanized. Simfish 04:42, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Not only is this Americanised it seems to be quite POV. Some educationalists believe that there are advantages to keeping gifted children in mainstream education without exceptional treatment, others disagree with aspects of the "gifted" phenomenon (how to identify a gifted child, whether class-bias will occur, etc). See Grammar schools in the United Kingdom for a cursory introduction to some of the problems when Britain had two entirely seperate school systems for the gifted and non-gifted. -- VivaEmilyDavies 13:09, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've made a small start by moving some material that was US-specific to the section on that country and editing the first paragraph to make it more universal. I may add some material in other entries that I will link if I get the time. -- Autarch 15:17, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I've started a small page on Mara Sapon-Shevin and provided links to and from it. I've added a section on criticism of gifted education, but just put the link to the new page in it. I'll expand both the new page and the new section over the next few weeks. (I've to look up references to critics of Sapon-Shevin for one thing.) -- Autarch 15:53, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Looking at this page, it seems to be both just a page of links and quite POV. I'm not sure if all the links are relevant - the fictional example seems as out of place as a link to Biggles in a discussion of the history of World War II. One other thing - am I really the only contributor who has looked at this page recently? I'd have thought that such a controversial topic would have the opposite effect. -- Autarch 19:51, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
I think the reason that no one has edited this page is that it is so obviously a "bash the gifted" page that there is no point in trying to fix it. Far better to direct people to Hoagies where there are a lot of articles and resources with some content. 63.249.114.7 07:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree that this article is done from a very American perspective. In the UK, gifted education has been handled very differently, and is not treated in the same way from borough to borough. Also, in the history of gifted education in the UK, it has traditionally been collected into the same category as education for children with below average ability. There has been a very careful effort for over sixty years to keep terminology for both sets of children neutral - both sets have been called "exceptional", a term which also encompasses those with emotional and personality disturbances. Individual cases should be written up under a special educational needs Statement (SEN) - although the use of Statements for gifted children seems to have fallen out of favour. There have also been widely variant methods of dealing with exceptional children in the UK, but there have been clearly identifiable periods where separate or integrated education in varying forms have been prevalent. I have researched this topic quite extensively a few years back, and if I can find the time to read over my notes i may add some extra information to the article from a British perspective. Redcore4 ( talk) 15:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Maybe this article could become "Gifted education in the USA", just as there is an article called Grammar schools in the United Kingdom. This would allow this article to mature. "Gifted education in the UK" or in Europe, or India, or any country in the world could logically each have their own articles. Because gifted education in different countries is handled very differently. Eventually, "Gifted Education" could be an introduction, listing education concepts covered in other articles, covering concepts specifically related to gifted education, and having links to how its actually handled in different parts of the word. -- SV Resolution( Talk) 20:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I also find that the article is very Americanized. One problem for Canada is that the education system seems to be based at the provincial level, so you would end up with slightly different programmes for each province. Can anyone from Canada verify this?
I may have found some useful information from the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education (OISE - pronounced Oy-zee) and will try and put together something more coherent. Tassit ( talk) 15:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't really see the reason to split off the list into a separate article. Besides, per naming conventions, "List of..." is often preferred. Programs vs. programmes I don't know. I've changed the wording to bring it more in line with WP:MOS. -- Christopherlin 21:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The application of TPD to gifted education is one of several (other applications include psychotherapy, personality theory, philosophy of Man, etc.).
It really feels like this could be phrased better; any thoughts? RyanGrant 18:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I kinda stumbled upon this article after being on Wikipedia for a while. I had to take a break from education. But it looks like there are some places that would help it improve:
I am a student (going to 8th grade as of Sep. 4, 2007; from this point on please take my comment seriously, not as one that an over-confident student made up) who finds regular school-work easy, additionally my grades do show my performance, and with my recent experience with a Gifted and Talented program at NJCU during the summer, named Preyecto(may be an incorrect spelling), I still feel as I was not challenged enough and was able to complete the program with incredible ease. However, some people were often yelled at in the program in a manner that made it uncomfortable for the unbelievably few of us that actually took this as a serious academic program. In addition to that, the program often felt like a morale lesson, about how we came here to learn. As I am limited on time, I will conclude my comment by saying that Gifted and Talented programs are horribly neglected, I understand the "No Child Left Behind" act, but it also comes with "No Child Left Forward" act. [an additional thought: the logo on ed.gov for the act looks like it was created by a 3-year old (seriously), who had access to the Microsoft Paint program]
68.197.81.196 03:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree there are many difficulties for gifted students -- though I couldn't quite follow what you were saying. If you can find the time, could you expand, please? Kalai Eljahn 23:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, my general point is that there is little or none personalized education and that the non-gifted students are sometimes mixed in to make the program look more successful. As I was in the program, there were several kids who were average, no offense to them, and many of which misbehaved [you should please note that my close peers would describe it this way and know it in their minds with hesitation caused by the hurdles of regular school life (peer pressure, however it is a self-inflicted type; by self-inflicted I mean that some of us think like "They did not do anything to us so we don't need to do anything with them.")]. Side notes: Contrary to possible popular belief, it was easy to become popular, without committing some of the genuinely immature acts that other teenagers/adolescents preform. However, there was also an initial rejection phase before we became "socially acceptable" to the regular school kids in our Gifted and Talented school (the one I currently study in;I do apologize for leaving this out as it is crucial to know that my standards for school are very high, and that my current school does not meet my expectations, in order to fully comprehend my complex opinion.). -- I am also very glad that I am attending my current school, because I had never known (until last month) about the poor standards of other schools, I was completely dumbfounded to find out.
I am also aware that my post probably answered some questions and due to my strong opinion, created some questions. Regardless, I am tired from a short 1 1/2 day trip and therefore cannot properly reply.
68.197.81.196 00:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I was a GATE student. My school had extra strict penalties that other students didn't have at the school. So we were under even more pressure not to screw up. I remember if I didn't do my homework, I would have to call my parents in front of the teacher and tell them that I was in trouble. Not to mention the other odd penalties, like making me sit on a painted dot for an hour at a time during lunch. I never had any say of going in or coming out. I never felt different than any other student. All of a sudden I was told I was smart and was put under extreme pressure to the point where I often threatened to kill myself if people wouldn't leave me alone about my grades. A few years later I was kicked out at the begining of the school year for failing the one and only exam I had a chance to take in one class. When I took an interest in academics, I wasn't allowed back in. I remember my druggie friends that could have cared less about school had their weighted GPAs handed to them on a silver platter to help them get in the finest universities. But at least the military was nice enough to take someone with intelligence that would be financially insecure after high school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.225.216 ( talk) 17:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Can we split the List of G&T programs off into its own, independent page? The length of the ToC box is intimidating right now. WhatamIdoing 18:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Freek,
When you wikilink a word, it needs to go to a useful page that's related to this one. A remarkable number of words that you wikilinked didn't land on a useful page. For example, you linked the word prone in a sentence about the myth that "highly intelligent children were prone to ill physical and mental health". Unfortunately, the word prone here is about a tendency or likelihood, and the page that you linked to was Prone position, which means lying down on the ground.
Please also avoid linking years. I know it's done in many articles, but if the other things happening in the same year (such as a war) are not obviously directly related to the subject at hand, then the date should not be linked. See WP:OVERLINK#Dates, "Stand-alone years, months and days of the week should generally not be linked."
I've undone everything, for (my) simplicity, but I ask you to be much more restrained in the future. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 05:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi You, Please avoid overdoing things. If a word like Prone has different meanings and onlys 1 is mentioned in the wikepedia a solution is also to correct at that place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freek Verkerk ( talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned that this section is basically a synthesis and that we do not have one or more secondary sources that covers the whole period. For a start, the period up to the Renaissance is taken from a Handbook, and could therefore reasonably be assumed to be arguing the following: that the policy of identifying and separately educating gifted children today is normal and justified because it goes back thousands of years. Are there any histories of education, not specifically about gifted education, that contain the same argument? Itsmejudith ( talk) 15:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Danjel,
The links I removed seem to be present for the purpose of promoting the websites/organizations ( WP:ELNO#EL4 violation, and the typical definition of "spam"), not to provide information. Importantly, most of them talk about gifted people but not gifted education (which is the actual subject of the article), or they are useful/interesting to only people in a particular country.
I don't think that a person who wants to know more about the idea of gifted education will be helped by these links. What do you think? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 06:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
"Early IQ tests were notorious for producing higher IQ scores for privileged races and classes and lower scores for disadvantaged subgroups."
Modern IQ tests reveal the same pattern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.128.75.248 ( talk) 08:41, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Intelligence Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human intelligence to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk) 14:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Some links looks suspicious, possible WP:LINKSPAM:
As all are dead anyway, I'll remove them. Autarch ( talk) 18:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I would really like to see a link to some kind of independently verified research that supports any correlation between homeschooling and a child's intellect (the words "independently verified" being key, of course). I'm highly skeptical that any licensed educators without a vested interest in self-promotion use the term "homeschooling" as an "An umbrella term encompassing myriad educational options for gifted children". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.169.116 ( talk) 13:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
This sentence is clearly POV: If education followed the medical maxim of "first, do no harm," then no further justification is required for providing resources for gifted education. Given the discussion in the controversies section (in particular the mention of writings of Mara Sapon-Shevin) the very notion that such programmes do no harm is hotly disputed.
This section in general can do with more citations. Autarch ( talk) 18:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
This subsection is centred about one country - adding more countries for a more global view would be better. Autarch ( talk) 20:21, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Several paragraphs don't have any citations. I'm not sure if the citations in the article address some of these issues and just haven't been referenced often enough, or if there are no sources to support the articles. Autarch ( talk) 20:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of additions of content mentioning the United States organization NAGC to this article, which is all right, but the referencing should be in the same citation style and follow the same rules about external linking as other articles on Wikipedia. I'll check the article in a while and see what needs cleaning up by the Wikipedia manual of style. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk, how I edit) 23:43, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Like most of the 6,349,308 articles here on Wikipedia, this article has been accreting quite a few factual statements over the years that are unreferenced and, in some cases, wrong. Let's discuss in this section any unreferenced statements in this article for which it is worthwhile to find a reference. I recommend the source list for articles on this topic and related topics (mentioned in an earlier talk page section here) for references we can all use to improve the article. I'll pass through the article to tag some of the statements that I think are most in need of references, and invite your commments about good sources. -- WeijiBaikeBianji ( talk, how I edit) 00:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Greetings! I added back a few links to gifted assessment pages. They were removed on the grounds that they were not reliable sources. But my understanding is that criteria for external links is not the same as that of sources. The links are relevant to the topic, and some of the only online resources available for this topic, run by an organization that assessed giftedness. I believe they are relevant to the page and therefore should remain. DaltonCastle ( talk) 18:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
'Goodey" tried to run-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.117.16.45 ( talk) 21:51, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
This topic really ought to be High Importance. While the subject is neglected in the popular consciousness, and among political elites, the education of the brightest and most talented is disproportionately important compared to their percentage of the population. Gifted people are the most underserved demographic, with the profoundly gifted and the twice exceptional (gifted and learning disabled) as the most underserved subcategories.
There is no way that this subject merits only Mid Importance. Gifted Education is not "minor details"; Gifted Education is the backbone, the foundation, of a society's education system, and how well a society educates gifted people and serves their educational needs should be the metric by which the entire system is judged. Educational methods, techniques, and structures that work well for gifted people work well for everybody, but gifted people truly need them, and if society does not serve their needs, it misses out enormously on possible innovations.
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The current Short Description is too long. It's about the size of a paragraph:
broad term for special practices, procedures, and theories used in the education of children who have been identified as gifted or talented; the main approaches to gifted education are enrichment and acceleration
Could someone who is well versed in this subject matter please pare down the Short Description to < 40 chars. as per Wikipedia's rules. The Short Desc. is used in Wikidata and other related projects. Thanks. Jimj wpg ( talk) 03:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
This article consists almost entirely of off-the-cuff opinions. 2600:1700:6AE5:2510:0:0:0:24 ( talk) 01:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)