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Promotional content and copyright violations

...have become serious issues with the many edits of the last day or two; at least some, and maybe a lot of this, has been copied from Mr. Ranalli's website. The last good pre-copyvio version appears to be this: [1]. 2601:188:0:ABE6:3CF7:E4A2:6CC5:354F ( talk) 02:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC) reply

Leave

While content was added to the article sourced to a NY Post piece that I agree is too tabloidy, per WP:BLP, the mention of Ranalli's leave is, as I noted at WP:ANI when this article was brought up there, a professional blog post from what seems to be a reliable publication - it is attributed to "the editors" of professional journal The Architect's Newspaper. This is an award-winning industry newspaper ( [2], [3]) cited in the field ( MIT Press, Routledge, Princeton Architectural Press, to name a few.) If this is indeed a reliable publication, the material should be sourceable to it in accordance with WP:BLPSPS, which notes, ""Blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control." Obviously, a personal blog would not qualify unless by the subject himself.

The information on the acting dean is sourced to the school's website, which should be regarded as reliable in this context.

That a case has been filed is not in question, but per WP:BLPPRIMARY neither it nor a court judgment would be usable for this. That requires secondary sources. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC) reply

Request edit on 7 November 2015

Dear Colleagues : I write at the advisement of Justlettersandnumbers about consideration for the following requests to the George Ranalli page. I do have a personal connection to the subject George Ranalli, although I did not create the George Ranalli Wikipedia page. I am interested in contributing to Wikipedia projects. On the George Ranalli page, I have contributed independent reliable sources and some corrections of inaccuracies. As a new Wikipedia editor, I am learning the complexities of Wikipedia mechanics and procedures with great interest toward making contributions to many projects. Regarding the George Ranalli page, Justlettersandnumbers advises that this talk page provides a forum for me to share resources and knowledge on the subject of George Ranalli for consideration. I hope these requests for edits are worthwhile to the George Ranalli page project. I respectfully submit the following.

Curated exhibitions

Under "Curated exhibitions" I request restoration of information about curatorial contributions made by George Ranalli to exhibitions on contemporary architecture -- including relevant reliable sources --without substantial alteration. The information contributed by me that has been deleted represents a selection curatorial contributions of George Ranalli noteworthy for introducing relatively unknown and/ or under-acknowledged and misunderstood, (albeit professionally significant), contemporary architects to the American public. Carlo Scarpa exhibition , for instance, was one of the first exhibition of the works of the architect in the United States. The exhibitions proposed for inclusion on the page have each enhanced the cultural awareness and understanding of contemporary architecture , and are also within the academe, serving to challenge the narrow definition of modernism within the field of architecture. Specifically, I request the restoration of the following exhibition exhibition titles and related sources, under the appropriate subheading, for the curatorial contributions of George Ranalli : Paul Rudolph : Drawings for the Art and Architecture at Yale : 1958-1963, October 31 to November 19, 1988; [Carlo Scarpa]] : Drawings for the Brion Family Cemetery, October 22 to November 23, 1984 ; Paul Rudolph : Drawing For Architecture : 1956-1963, October 1 to November 23, 1977; A Line Around An Idea : An Exhibition of Hand Drawings by James Wines for SITE, September 20, 2012 to May 03, 2013, ; and Building The Modern Gothic : George Post At City College," February 3 to May 9, 2014.

These exhibitions were added to the article by other users. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Installation design

Under "Installation design," I request restoration of information about George Ranalli's contribution to museum exhibitions of American architect Frank Lloyd Wright. George Ranalli has contributed a large scale, three-dimensional model for Wright's unbuilt treatise on "The Living City," which was based on writings from the 1930's, realized by Wright himself in his "Broadacre City" documentation model. In 1958, Wright revised and expanded upon the treatise in a second publication, titled "The Living City." (Parenthetically, Wikipedia's "Broadacre City" page has begun to document the significance of Wright's contribution through this worl to architecture and urban planning. At some point, I would like the opportunity to contribute to the Broadacre City page.) In 1996-7, George Ranalli was commissioned by a distinguished curatorial group to produced a hypothetical study model of "The Living City" for traveling exhibition "Frank Lloyd Wright And The Living City." George Ranalli's large and complex, three-dimensional model of Wright's unbuilt treatise envisioned by Wright. George Ranalli's interpratation of Wright's expanded thesis for "The Living City" became a complex, three-dimensional typography includes a composite of perspectives, and hundreds of building prototypes -- including many of Wright's identifiable commissions. The exhibition "Frank Lloyd Wright And The Living City," featured Ranalli's contribution of the model for "The Living City," to introduce general public around the world to Wright's enduring ideas for urban planning. The exhibition "Frank Lloyd Wright And The Living City," sponsored by the Vitra Design Museum and The Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation, opened in 1998, before traveling to 15 major museums, from 1998 - 2003. Thereafter, Ranalli's architectural model of "The Living City" was part of exhibition " Frank Lloyd Wright: Organic Architecture for the 21st Century," sponsored for exhibition by the Milwaukee Art Museum, before traveling to the Phoenix Art Museum, during 2011 - 2012. Ranalli's model for "The Living City" interpreted Frank Lloyd Wright's groundbreaking urban planning thesis. In the most recent exhibitions, Ranalli's model was shown along with Frank Lloyd Wright's own model for Braodacre City. For these reasons, I also request the restoration of words "architectural models" to the heading.

There used to be a section called "Installation design", but it has since been removed. It appears that there is no consensus for this change. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Professional recognition

Under "Professional recognition," I request restoring source information for a professional recognition award from award granting organization. In 1982, George Ranalli was selected for inclusion in The Architectural League of New York's "Emerging Voices" series, which for the past 30-years, selects young architects for excellence, from a pool of nominees throughout North America.

There are already concerns that this article is too promotional. That should be resolved before any further details on awards are added. The article currently mentions that Ranalli was recognized by the Architectural League of New York, and that mention should suffice. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Heading change

Under "Installation design," I request restoring the heading to read "Installation design, architectural models," and I also request restoring the following information regarding a significant contribution made by George Ranalli to exhibitions of the work of world renown artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude. George Ranalli created 2 large three-dimensional documentation models tof Christo and Jeanne-Claude's environmental art project "The Umbrellas, Japan/USA, 1984 – 1991" The artist Christo has recognized the documentation models created by George Ranalli for making a significant contribution to the installations. The artist recently informed George Ranalli the documentation models for "The Umbrellas, Japan/USA, 1984 – 1991" are again scheduled for an upcoming museum exhibition in Japan.

Headings should be as concise as possible; the change is not necessary. No source was given for this paragraph so it will not be added. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Times Tower

Under the heading, "Architecture career highlights," I request the restoration of the "Times Tower" project by George Ranalli to the list of works. The reliable source verifies the significance of the competition and Ranalli's iconic image for the project which was recently lent by its collector to the Skyscraper Museum in New York City for a critically-reviewed exhibition.

I can't find the reliable source you speak of. It may have been since removed. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Monographic Books, Special Publications,and Exhibition Catalogues

I request restoration of the heading "Monographic Books, Special Publications,and Exhibition Catalogues" in place of the heading "Further reading," and I also request restoration of the corrected information from me for the publications under that heading. The current information inaccurately misidentified the author of each volume. The architectural monographs, or similiar special publications were each authored by George Ranalli, the creator of the original scholarship contained there in. The author George Ranalli is a source verifiable for each volume from the respective publisher, and secondarily, from hundreds of libraries around the world that house these volumes. In each instance, the George Ranalli page currently misidentifies a secondary contributor or the editor as the author of the publication. The problematic nature of this type of error is worth consideration regarding the George Ranalli page and any biography page of a living person engaging in academic scholarship. My reasonaing is as follows. Monographs are distinct from other academic publications, which broadly survey the state of knowledge in a field. Unlike other scholarly texts, a monograph publication --particularly an architectural monograph --is one in which the author provides an in-depth, and lengthy presentation of primary architectural research considered original scholarship. In the field of academic architecture, the architectural monograph publication is acknowledged for its breath and depth of original research as a substantial academic publication --distinguished from the authorship of a peer-reviewed article or a book chapter. For these reasons, the authorship of an architectural monograph is considered one of the fundamental publications for career progression and promotion in academic departments of architecture in colleges and universities. Therefore, accurate documentation of authorship of architectural monographs, and related special publications, for any living person for whom publication is a requirement for career advancement is significant. Thus, I respectfully request the expedient restoration of the following information about architectural monographs and special publications --including sources -- for the following volumes correctly identifying George Ranalli as the author : "George Ranalli : Buildings and Projects"; "George Ranalli: Bauten und Projekte"; "Tokushū: Jōji Ranari = Special Feature : George Ranalli. Tōkyō: Ē ando Yū.: ; "Casas Internacional 57: George Ranalli" ; "Saratoga" ; and "In Situ: George Ranalli Works & Projects."

Headers are meant to be concise; other editors have since titled the heading "Monographic publications." The volumes you refer to were added to the article some time ago, and have not been removed in the most recent cleanup efforts, so I think they can stay. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Heading change (2)

Further, I respectfully request restoration of the heading "Monographic Books, Special Publications,and Exhibition Catalogues." Having researched Wikipedia biography pages of other living architects for appropriate substitutions to the heading "Further Reading," I noted the application of the heading "Monographic Books, Special Publications,and Exhibition Catalogues" to primary source publications of other well known architect / academics.

Even if other articles use the heading "Monographic Books, Special Publications,and Exhibition Catalogues," that does not mean this practice is correct. Wikipedia's Manual of Style says that article titles should be "natural, sufficiently precise, concise", and this rule also applies to section headings. "Bibliography" is much more concise, and is a good alternative to those headers. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Exhibition publications

I would also like to provide the editors for consideration of inclusion to the George Ranalli page the relevant citation and source information for a complete list of exhibition publications authored by George Ranalli relevant to exhibitions authored by George Ranalli for inclusion under the heading "Primary Sources."

Editors have repeatedly trimmed lists of exhibitions from this article, so I see no consensus for this edit. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Cite error

Lastly, the issue related to the note "Cite error: A list-defined reference named "IMA_Accn_N.C2.B02010.13A-B" has been addressed, and therefore I request the deletion the note.

The cite error has been fixed. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your consideration to the above requests for edits. I look forward to feedback and guidance.

69.86.66.202 ( talk) 21:09, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Anne Valentino reply

Response

This article has changed significantly since November 2015, when these edit requests were made, so many of them may no longer be applicable. Unaffiliated editors (those without a conflict of interest) have trimmed this page numerous times; thus I am wary of restoring any material that they have rightly judged as promotional. Keep in mind that Wikipedia articles are not a curriculum vitae. Their purpose is summarize the life history of an individual; not to list their every accomplishment. I have done my best to note which of the suggestions above presently remain in the article, and which cannot be added because they have been repeatedly removed since November 2015. Altamel ( talk) 18:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Don't confuse anonymity with a license to say anything. By registering, you develop a record of contributions; ergo, an opportunity to establish credibility. Incidentally, many editors know other editors from attending wikipedia edit-thons, conferences, and the like. Nonetheless, it is strictly verboten to reveal the identity of an editor — for good reason.

A lot of noise in the development of an article becomes trash when the article ascends to a higher quality. This article is about a living person, which carries a high level of responsibility for editors. Nonetheless, I, on several occasions, have wanted to criticize a particular editor (or 2), but am reticent because the person behind the name might actually be related — which could, among other things, make the criticism seem personal. Also, I don't want my criticism to become a permanent mark on the article.

Side note: because this comment is more about housekeeping and protocol, I would be open to deleting it after a period, if no one objects.

The upshot is this: if you are making edits under an unregistered name that implies a familial connection to the subject, please register as an editor under a pseudonym. — Eurodog ( talk) 22:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC) reply

P.S. When unregistered users make edits, they leave behind an IP address, which narrows down — to the city and sometimes the neighborhood — the location of the editor — Eurodog ( talk) 22:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Actual buildings built?

(Coming here from COI noticeboard)

Checking the claimed list of buildings built.

  • For "2002: Masterplan for The City College of New York. 36.5 acres (147,710.2594 m2).", the link is just to Archpaper, not the specific article. Here's the article link: [4]. The "master plan" is unbuilt. "To Ranalli’s frustration, however, his plan is on the back burner while the campus expands, as it has throughout its history, based on immediate needs rather than long-term vision." So that seems to be a bit of resume inflation.
  • The Fashion Center job was just a lobby remodel, plus one hallway in the upper floors. [5].
  • He did design the Saratoga Avenue Community Center, which has good reviews.[1] John Nagle ( talk) 05:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The Callendar School can be seen here in Google StreetView. [6]. The only remodeling visible on the exterior is window replacement. None of the links on that item lead any place useful. (Many links in this article are non-useful, leading to the home page of WorldCat or the base site of some magazine. Those need attention.) Further info needed. John Nagle ( talk) 21:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Fixed links, noted limited scope of some projects. Other than the community center, has this architect ever designed an entire significant building that was actually built? John Nagle ( talk) 21:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Still trying to find more real world significant buildings designed by this architect. His site shows an "Amtrak Tower", with pictures, across from Madison Square Garden in NYC. [7] But that's apparently a render; here's the location in Google StreetView, and the building isn't there. [8]. John Nagle ( talk) 02:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Please don't remove headings and notes intended to distinguish real, built buildings from remodels and paper designs. That looks like promotional editing. Thanks. John Nagle ( talk) 05:41, 20 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Sexual harassment lawsuit

Extended content

The first hit in Google, after Wikipedia, is a sexual harassment lawsuit from 2015. [9] New York Post article: [10]. Archinect article: [11] Should that be covered in the article? John Nagle ( talk) 05:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC) reply

If you think the sources are strong enough, John Nagle, then I think it should definitely be included – but not, of course, be given undue weight. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:19, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
Ah, Nagle, I now see that this has already been discussed here and indeed on this page. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
I'd suggest leaving that out until there's a court decision. John Nagle ( talk) 20:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Conflict of interest

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