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Isn't the famous film score of Don Davis for the movie The Matrix orchestral? On his own wikipedia article it says he is a conductor and orchestrator. And I don't know much about music, but it all sounds very orchestral to me. In this article he is on the non-orchestral list. Xilliah ( talk) 08:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
It could be argued (rather strenuously and with complete success, actually) that Jerry Goldsmith is not as obscure as the author of the article believes. There are other problems here and there but, in general, the whole thing can be re-written by someone with the time and inclination to. Gingermint ( talk) 05:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggest the "Notable film score composers include" section be moved to its own page, something like List of notable film score composers. -- Jūzeris ⇐ feedback appreciated 15:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I've put together a List of imaginary soundtracks. feedback and additions welcome. The external link cited was used for a lot of the titles, as well as my personal collection.
I'm not sure if this is a legitimate 'musical genre' or not, hence created it in my userspace. It needs a more comprehensive intro/discussion before i'm comfortable entering it into wikipedia-proper. --
Quiddity 21:56, 30 October 2005 (UTC) (updated
Quiddity 22:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC))
I suggest listing the composers alphabetically by last name first with the last name in boldface. It makes things easier to find. Jeffmatt
Why are some of the composers bolded? Nationalparks 14:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
We really need to pick some kind of criteria for "Notability", and severely reduce the size of this list section, whilst moving all non-included names to the "List of" article. We also need to avoid this turning into a popularity contest, and a western-centric one too. (Ideally, the resulting list will eventually get rewritten into good prose.) -- Quiddity 23:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
--> but which major industry award? There are many major cinema industry awards for film scoring in many countries (perhaps one or two notable composers from distinct regions of the world could be selected)? AppleJuggler 07:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
--> the number interval indicated above is arbitrary; why not a nice round 10 (say if we have 4 major continents (the Americas, Asia, Europe and Africa), two renown composers from each would suffice perhaps)? AppleJuggler 07:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Dimitri Shostakovitch, The Gadfly, Five Days, Five Nights (his Jazz Suite 2 included the well-known Waltz II)
Actually, Shostakovitch did several soundtracks, but they were not for terribly good films. We know the music but not the movies. Because he was a great composer one is tempted to list him, but one could argue that as he film composer he's fairly obscure. Gingermint ( talk) 05:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe the current state of this page is not up to Wikipedia's standards. I believe that cleaning it up, even if it is not with a perfect solution, is better than the actual Statu Quo. Thus, my suggestions are:
1/ Adding soundtracks to each name forces to make a subjective choice as which one is the most important, and clutters the page. I would simply remove them (the reader can always click on the name to get more information about this or that composer). 2/ Since I believe "notable" means current or past *masters of the craft*, who have or have had a long and succesful carreer in the field, and have, or have had, a clear recognition by their peers, the list needs to be considerably streamlined. 3/ The list also need to give a good overview of different periods, styles, and country of origin.
Following those three points, I suggest the following list:
John Barry, Elmer Bernstein, Danny Elfman, Jerry Goldsmith, Bernard Herrmann, Maurice Jarre, Erich Wolfgang Korngold, Michel Legrand, Henry Mancini, Giorgio Moroder, Ennio Morricone, James Horner, Alfred Newman, Thomas Newman, Basil Poledouris, Sergei Prokofiev, David Raksin, Nino Rota, Miklós Rozsa, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Lalo Schiffrin, Howard Shore, Alan Silvestri, Vangelis, Franz Waxman, John Williams, Hans Zimmer.
I would appreciate input of any sort. In the meantime, I believe we should remove the current list, which is unappropriate in many ways (clear presentation, pov, etc).
Hellgi 20:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Hellgi 21:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
1) Has won either an Oscar or Golden Globe OR
2) the combined total of their film grosses tops a certain amount (say a billion or so, researchable on Box Office Mojo) OR
3) Was a respected classical composer. We can probably agree on people like Shostakovich and Stravinsky)
Thoughts?
-- FilmFan69 ( talk) 07:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Being new to this discussion, it appears this effort has been abandoned, shelved, or something other. Some names have been added from these discussions (Steiner, Tiomkin), but not others. And I note no mention of Aaron Copland, Ralph Vaughn-Williams, Malcolm Arnold, William Walton, Georges Auric, Cecil Parker, Arthur Bliss, Richard Rodney Bennett, Francis Chagrin, William Alwyn . . . all very respected in the field. Two of whom won Oscars, I might add. What is the current situation on this?-- ADWNSW ( talk) 08:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed a bunch of names of people who were so magnificently obscure that they could not be listed seriously. I did not add Aaron Copland, Ralph Vaughn-Williams, Malcolm Arnold, William Walton, Arthur Bliss or Richard Rodney Bennett. Good idea to add them, though. Gingermint ( talk) 05:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I hve gone ahead and cleaned this section up... again. It seems that some people enjoy adding THEMSELVES to the list or add their friends or teachers. This is the sort of crap that continually gives Wikipedia a bad name. Gingermint ( talk) 02:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section on the use of classical music in movies on this page? Or does this already exist elsewhere? Lbark 20:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the list of Classical music often used in movies, and added the customary link to the list of Film Soundtrack. We are talking here about music specifically written for movies, not written prior to that for another medium. I also moved the removed list to the Film Soundtracks page. Hellgi 20:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Regarding classical music. At some points it mentions that film scores are usually based on Western classical music. This is wrong. It clearly has leitmotifs and the first sentence already mentions that it is incidental music. Thus it should say that film scores are based on Romantic music. The difference is significant enough and it should be changed for the better. Trickymaster, (2:24) May 14, 2011 (PT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.176.89 ( talk) 09:27, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Dystopia has important element with film music.
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Would you agree that film scores really began to grow and first became "epic" with the release of A New Hope, and the subsequent films in the Star Wars saga? 68.55.183.136 20:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
as an entirely ignorant and casual observer the second sentence (starting 'the term film score is frequently synonymous...') doesn't really pin down the difference between a score and a soundtrack. does the involvement of 'songs' render it a soundtrack not a film score? or is the distinction ambiguous? sorry my first contribution: not at all constructive! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.76.86 ( talk) 23:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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Should this article be merged with Television score and then moved/changed to Film and television score? Best O Fortuna ( talk) 04:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone should add play button for Chariots of fire to this article, I don't know how to do it. But it's such a great song. Kri ( talk) 14:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to my website, Movie Music UK ( [3]) in the links page at the bottom of the article. While I acknowledge that me doing so is, technically, a violation of WP:COI, I think the addition is fairly uncontroversial. Nevertheless, I would be grateful if another experienced editor would mind taking a quick look at the site and approving its addition. Many thanks. -- JonBroxton ( talk) 23:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
To my knowledge, the statement " virtually all music created for music libraries is done on a work for hire basis" may be incorrect. I only have some experience with seeing the terms of a few libraries, but the ones I have seen so far have terms more amenable to the composer (but no upfront payment). It may be that the majority of libraries, or the most used ones, are "work for hire," but this should be researched. At the very least, it seems like an overly broad statement.-- Newbis ( talk) 06:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
This article has been tagged for a long time as needing a major clean up, with little improvement. I've had a go, according to MOS, but as I lack the subject knowledge I've placed inline tags to flag some of the many specific areas that require improving by a film score expert. I know this makes the article look untidy, but attention now needs to be drawn to these items.-- Kudpung ( talk) 01:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate the attention... but think you were, perhaps, too conservative. There is a great deal that should be fixed on this page. Again, though, your work is appreciated. Gingermint ( talk) 02:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
The article needs as noted a complete rewrite that is informed and historically accurate, not recentist as much of this is. To the point here - the composer list is entirely out of hand. I earlier removed the word "notable" from the section heading because no rationale was - or could be - provided for the names on the list that was not POV. Prior to this edit, it was a random list of composers that some editor or other liked - no objectivity, no absolute comprehensiveness, no NPOV. I have substituted for that list the Wikipedia list of Academy Award winners year by year for film score. That at least IS NPOV, regardless of what one thinks of the award. I deleted the section on soundtracks because there was no rationale at all for including any of those scores in any kind of list. Any re-introduction of any list to this article must adhere to the NPOV policy and offer substantiation and rationale. No time at the moment - but the ax falls on the non-orchestral soundtrack next. Sensei48 ( talk) 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I've trimmed these a bit... Most, if not all, of the the sites linked are notable, but don't have Wikipedia articles. It'd be nice to see Wikipedia articles started for these, starting with the most notable, if anyone cares to do the work. Yworo ( talk) 22:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
found this brief explanation from a newspaper dated 1926: ("The Miracle" was the first motion picture to have a musical score specifically written for it) http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%208/Niagara%20Falls%20NY%20Gazette/Niagara%20Falls%20NY%20Gazette%201929%20May-Jul%20Grayscale/Niagara%20Falls%20NY%20Gazette%201929%20May-Jul%20Grayscale%20-%200901.pdf#xml=http://fultonhistory.com/dtSearch/dtisapi6.dll?cmd=getpdfhits&u=fffffffff9900ca5&DocId=2168906&Index=Z%3a\Index%20O-G-T&HitCount=2&hits=7da+82e+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shokorus ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
O'k. But what about pieces that are part of the scene itself? Is it a different type than score? Or does score mean not only background but also those integral sound parts of the action sequence? If I'm not clear yet: there is music which is used in or composed for a film - which music is not a background heard only by watchers of the film but that one which is performed within the story itself - regardless of the watchers. It is obviously not background but inseparable and integral withing the story sequence itself.
Examples? 1) When two characters talk to each other in a silent meadow and there's performed some "character theme" or piece of music representing the mood of the scene, it is background. 2) Otherwise, when it is a ball or some concert taking place during the sequence of the film, there's played some music (which may be purposely written or adopted) which is inseparable from the scene of the plot itself - and it is not background...
So, does this article (or should it) encompass this other type which is not background or is there any other article on this other type of film music on Wikipedia? (In the first case we should elide what is now written in the first line of the lede here.)
Josh, linguist (
talk) 09:01, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I must add here that such non-background music may play full integrity with the other score, creating the mood and suspect, being organically interwoven withing the entire soundtrack etc. The Hunger Games delivers us such brilliant integrity: 1) "film from the capital", 2) Caesar show. So on. Josh, linguist ( talk) 10:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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I don't follow, what's needle dropped? 88.108.250.158 ( talk) 12:16, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I see people have been worried about the poor state of this article from at least 2010, and it's been correctly tagged as needing citations (i.e., it's WP:OR) since 2013: its 10th anniversary of triumphant uncitedness is in July 2023, coming up shortly. I've trimmed a little of the most egregious listcruft, but actually the whole thing needs sourcing, rewriting, or chopping. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 17:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
I dunno if this is a big deal but the image is not a film score. It's either a television or web production score, given it's from an episode of Adam Ruins Everything.-- Amelia-the-comic-geek ( talk) 02:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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