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In the section that breaks down (no pun intended) the styles of fiddling in Eastern Canada, a number of un-sourced (and I would contend un-true) statments are made. I would advocate that these be fixed with attribution to references, or removed entirely. In specific, I refer to:
This is a tonne of information I have learned through osmosis over the years, by being from the region, and my family being of a variety of the aforementioned backgrounds. I can play you the difference in styles, but unfortunately, I don't have the written resources to reference this. I hope that anyone who might be able to contribute will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zapallon ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
This seems as if some overzealous editor removed any reference to the fact that the term is generally associated more with popular music forms than with orchestral music. I'm no expert so I won't try to fix this - certainly, the word is used in classical music, but as far as I can tell that is not where the word is most at home. Please fix. 190.149.80.4 ( talk) 23:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC) ◌
Yeah, I don't get this either. The first three sentences of the article contradict each other. Is it the same as a violin, most often a violin, or similar to the violin? Someone needs to clarify this stat. Ari1891adler ( talk) 16:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
"Fiddle" and "violin" simply come to English via 2 different paths (Germanic languages and Italian respectively). Classism determines which is used when: they're called "violins" when they're used to play music to be passively listened to by people in expensive clothing, but "fiddles" when used by working-class people to play music for dancing. But the instruments themselves are not significantly different in construction (the Hardingfele's drone strings notwithstanding).
I don't have the time to go through and make all the necessary corrections or even note them here, but I certainly hope someone does! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.11.217 ( talk) 00:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
On the contrary, I would go the other way - a violin is merely one (the most common) type of fiddle. Some other types are superficiallys imiler e.g. haardanger fiddle; some are visually very different e.g. crwth. There are many kinds of fiddle from all over the world sich as spike fiddles in the East. So I would say the article needs expanded to become more diverse. StrumStrumAndBeHanged ( talk) 18:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
It is hard to know where to begin. FOr one thing, a history of viol instruments is not "fiddle". Fiddle is fiddle, violin is violin, viola de gamba is viola de gamba. We do not have articles about australopithecus talk about the dinosaurs, we do not have articles about amino acids talk at great length about nitrogen's atomic structure. AThe article on "Z" does not dwell at length on the letter "B". Etc. "Fiddle" is not a synonym for "violin". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geofferybard ( talk • contribs)
Here is a place to discuss this diff. For starters, all violins are fiddles, but not all fiddles are violins. The foremost difference between a violin and a fiddle is the attitude and style of the player. Generalizations about action height, bridge top curve, and tailpiece configuration are unsupportable and unencyclopedic. Many professionals do their fiddling on instruments set up to normal violin standards.
I doubt you could find a credible organologist who would deny that a rebab is a spike fiddle. It most certainly is not "essentially a violin." __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 20:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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The article title and the orientation of the article does not quite make sense. Fiddle is a synonym for violin so, as titled, this article should redirect to the violin article. But this article largely discusses the violin-based folk music traditions around the world. An appropriate name for that would be fiddling. I propose that
-- MC 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 20:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved TonyBallioni ( talk) 05:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Fiddle → Fiddling – Per proposal, this article should be redirected to Violin and its content be moved to Fiddling, with modifications. 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 18:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 21:44, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
A direct move is not allowed for standard user because Fiddling already exists. Users objected to doing a copy/paste so I'm requesting that an administrator do the move.
Thanks.
-- MC 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 18:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
If the scope of this article is limited to the modern anglosphere, then the great majority of fiddles are violins, or not much different from a modern standard violin. Even with such a limited scope, there are other fiddles, such as the cello in the Scottish traditional grouping of “wee fiddle and big fiddle” and the cigar-box fiddle sometimes used in the US old-time fiddling tradition. I’m not alone in having fiddled on a viola; it is possible to find books of fiddle tunes written in alto clef.
If the scope of the article is to include a global and historical view, then there are numerous examples of instruments which are fiddles, but not violins. See rabeca and erhu.
With that in mind, the first sentence of the introduction, “Fiddle is another name for the bowed string musical instrument more often called a violin.” is incorrect, and contradicted by the cited reference. A better way of putting it will be something like “A fiddle is a bowed string musical instrument, often a violin.” which is consistent with the reference. Just plain Bill ( talk) 21:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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I was personally taught in orchestra class that the word fiddle can be used as slang for a violin but that a true fiddle has five strings. Four come from the violin and the fifth is from the viola. Also all the mediocre and better violin players in our moderately sized city of Columbus, Indiana had fine tuners on ALL their strings. And our local symphonies and orchestras violin players used them on all four strings as well. And that was 20 years ago! Alys Flux ( talk) 11:27, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
The lead of this story violates WP:MOSLEAD. I've never seen a Wikipedia article that starts by defining a word that isn't the subject of the article. I realize there's been debate about moving some of the article and that this was voted down. I also understand there's resistance to putting the definition of fiddle first (as I recently attempted and was reverted). However, these two decisions-by-consensus contradict each other, and this contradiction should be resolved. Regardless of the subject or the contents, it's most important to follow WP:MOSLEAD and start the article by defining its subject, as all other Wikipedia articles do (that I'm aware of). Seriously, if you wanted to learn what Fish are, wouldn't it be unhelpful if the article started off, "Fishing is the act of..."? Because that's exactly what happened to me — I wanted to learn what a fiddle is, not learn what fiddling is. -Jordgette [talk] 20:04, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
If there is no discussion on this topic (the D in WP:BRD), I am going to change the first part of the hatnote to, "This article is about the musical instrument and its playing styles. For more, see Violin" and switch the sentence "Fiddling refers to the act of playing the fiddle, and fiddlers are musicians that play it" to the start of the lead's 2nd paragraph, which is actually about fiddling. Whereas the first paragraph almost exclusively concerns the instrument. It's most important to remove the confusion from the first sentence of the lead (as well as the hatnote); the article name (fiddle vs. fiddling) is less important. -Jordgette [talk] 15:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Fiddle and violin and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 8#Fiddle and violin until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 07:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Violoneux and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 8#Violoneux until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 07:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)