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Nice start, try splitting into topics and adding an infobox. Any alumni? refs?
Victuallers 13:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Reverted AlexWilkes' edits. Why replace perfectly good, coherent, referenced prose with semi-literate and factually inaccurate banalities? The school is "controlled by Dudley MBC"? Baloney, sir.reply
Dudley or Sedgley
There seems to be some disagreement as to whether Gornal (and by extension Ellowes) is in Dudley or Sedgley. Uncontroverisally, it strikes me that there are two options, and I ask that those with a view please vote below:
Option 1: Ellowes Hall School is located in Lower Gornal, Dudley.
(Evidence for this view includes that the area is represented by the MP for DUDLEY North, councillors are elected to DUDLEY council, and that, well, it quite blatantly is in Dudley.)
(Evidence for this view includes, well... too much to list.)
Votes --
I voted Option 2 because the Wikification looks so much more convincing. Such lovely colours too. --
Andrew.boulton 12:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Surely the unmentioned Option 3 (that the Ellowes Hall Sports College exists within 'Greater Birmingham') would be more factually correct? --
D.elwell 16:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)reply
AlexWilkes, your edits are not even funny any more. Please sir, look at the map
[1] and tell me what you learn about the location of Gornal wrt Sedgley. You will find that the claim "Gornal is in Sedgley" is rather like saying Kingswinford is in Brierley Hill i.e. self-evidently a load of bullshit. However much you would like something to be true, simply repeating it does not make it so. --
Andrew.boulton 21:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)reply
I agree, 'Andrew.Boulton'. Living in a manor myself I'm not familiar with the aforementioned areas but must concur with you that Gornal can indeed be found in Dudley and not Sedgley. Sedgley is merely an administrative area of Dudley, and has exactly the same status as Gornal - see
[2]. Note that none of Gornal (not even Upper Gornal) is considered part of Sedgley. --
D.elwell 18:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)reply
OfSTED
You cannot quote 'alternative viewpoints' and (unreferenced) Dudley News articles in an encyclopedia article. It is right that OfSTED's word is taken as gospel on how behaviour, standards, and results have or have not changed. The DISCUSSION page is the arena for discussing alternative viewpoints and making suggestions - do not massacre a perfectly good article that someone has spent valuable time adding.
Trouble is, a significant part of the article is inference, not a quote from the OfSTED report and as such, is no more than Alex Wilkes' viewpoint. The "alternative viewpoint" was entirely factually correct. The original is both incorrect and potentially damaging.
You and which OfSTED report? The official OfSTED report. Oh, that's a good OfSTED report.--
Andrew.boulton 12:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Which part is "incorrect"? The introductory paragraph which states where the school is, the type of school it is, a brief history, its main feeder schools, and its current head? The overwhelming BULK of the article which is QUOTED FROM OfSTED or uncontroversially paraphrased from OfSTED? Or the final part, added by someone else, which reflects a) the findings of OfSTED, b) the situation i.r.o staff turnover especially in the science department, and c) that Norman Smith's initials are indeed on the school gates?
The former leadership oversaw
a dramatic turnaround
inthe school's fortunes
fromthe days
of Norman Smith --
youcan'tdenythat. "NRS"
maybe emblazoned
onthe school
gatesbut I understand,
by contrast, "SJB" appears
in numerous prominent locations throughout the school. For example,
in cubicle
2ofthe Humanities corridor boys'
toilets,
this spontaneous
andtouching tribute
in Tip-ex appears
abackthe burnt-out door: "SJB is a..." [at this point the sophisticated "a wee bit chunky", rounded penmanship
ofthe native artist
becomes undecipherable, although
I postulate
thatthe4 letter word
mayhavebeensome kind
of code
for "highly competent, successful
and dynamic leader
who promoted
high standards, good behaviour
and presided
overa massive improvement
inthe quality
and morale
of teaching staff]".
I cannot
besure however,
andthismaybea little
too "POV"
for Wikipedia.
Whatitdoes illustrate however
is quite
the level
of esteem
inwhichthe former leadership
was held, belying
your scurrilous claims
that standards somehow declined.
I'llhaveyouknowthe standard of Dulux
inthe offices
of Senior Management
was second
to none,
andthe Reception area
was carpeted fully throughout
in CARPET TILES. As
a True Wikipedian
I would require
atleastone Authoritative Source -
bythatI mean
a Word-designed Geocities page,
oranother cobbled-together Wikipedia ego piece
for example -
to confirm
these observations. Remember, OfSTED reports
can NOT
be cited
as evidence.
Becauseofthis,
I'd stick
withtheDudley News eulogy referenced
byour previous contributor
becauseIam prepared
to believe
thatitmay potentially once
have possibly existed perhaps. It's
wuffaloff. --
Andrew.boulton 12:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Famous Alumni
I think this would be a useful section, since there are so many people to include. As we can not include every notable or worthy candidate, I am currently working on it using the Sunday Times Rich List, Who's Who? and the Faculty lists of the world's leading research universities to compile a concise creme-de-la-creme Cameronesque "A"-list. So, please list suggestions here. I understand that the Director of Sywatch Ltd once graced the Hall, but I wouldn't wish to add such an earth-shattering comment to what must be the most-read page on Wikipedia without at least one Authoritative Source (see above) to contradict it. Or confirm it. Whichever's funny (a la Peter Griffin). --
Andrew.boulton 12:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)reply
DUDLEY OR SEDGLEY (AGAIN)
Ellowes Hall School is situated in Lower Gornal, a village in the West Midlands in England.
It has been widely disputed whether Lower Gornal (along with Upper Gornal and Gornal Wood) is part of Sedgley or Dudley. There are strong arguments to support either statement.
The Gornals were in the parish of Sedgley for several centuries leading up to the formation of Sedgley Urban District Council in 1894, and from this date onwards they continued to be part of Sedgley.
The Gornals are believed to be part of Dudley, as the whole area has been controlled by Dudley council since 1966 (as has Sedgley), although the Gornals are included in the Sedgley DY3 postal district.
A similar dispute arises in the Woodsetton area, which was always part of Sedgley until 1966, but has since been included in the borough of Dudley and is even included in the Dudley DY1 postal district.
There are many other villages across England which are the centre of disputes as to which town they are part of.
Indeed, however as you state, since 1966 Gornal has existed wholly within Dudley and shares the same status as Sedgley. By your own [implicit] admission your argument is incorrect.
In addition, post code districts do not represent (and imply limits and/or ownership of) towns. The DY3 postal district applies to Gornal, Sedgley, Gospel End, Himley and Swindon. Note that Himley and Swindon are not even in the same county as Sedgley. Postal districts are merely for postal service efficiency.
82.37.68.127 14:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)reply