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David Carradine

Greetings.
The assertion "Thai police suggested the death might have been from accidental suffocation due to auto-erotic asphyxiation," is not supported by the reference given, which does not attribute the words "auto-erotic asphyxiation" to "Thai police," but to Dr. Porntip Rojanasunan (Rojanasunand), director of Thailand’s Central Institute of Forensic Science, who did not participate in the investigation and expressed an opinion. The same article quotes Dr. Nanthana Sirisap, director of Chulalongkorn Hospital’s Autopsy Center, where the first autopsy took place, as only speaking about "unusual circumstances" but not elaborating on them.

Among the multiple sources presented in the edition of the section "Death" from October 28, 2022, no one states that a Thai police officer (identified by name and rank) speculated or suggested or declared that the manner of death had been "auto-erotic asphyxiation" (neither did contemporary Thai media, if you care to check them). The Associated Press reported in 2010 (and 2011, according to the Daily Mail) that the Thai police never released the results of their investigation.

I highly recommend editors and researchers to try and find the autopsy results and final report on the investigation by the Thai police, due three weeks to one month after the events of June 3-4, 2009, instead of including unsupported speculation or "suggestions" as official statements. Maykiwi ( talk) 21:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Okay, so after being reverted multiple times after inserting Carradine's cause of death, I will create a discussion here so we can come to a consensus. I believe that his cause of death should be included after analyzing the documentation for the cause of death infobox module thoroughly. Carradine's death for starters without a doubt was unnatural to say the least, as he found hanging naked in his closet with a cord wrapped around his neck and genitalia. Though the reason for him being in the predicament he was in is disputed, It can be agreed upon all that he died due to asphyxiation. These specific circumstances have been subjected through significant scrutiny and are closely connected to the notability subject since his death. I will also make note of how Albert Dekker, another actor who died under similar mysterious circumstances relating to an autoerotic fatality, has his cause of death featured in the infobox. Can editors that oppose the position of Carradine’s cause of death being in the infobox please explain how Dekker's can remain? ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello SomeBodyAnyBody05, and thanks for opening this conversation. I apologize for the revert, but this is one of those situations where I feel that the short mention in the infobox can muddy an issue rather than clarifying it. I am well aware that this position is not universal, and so if consensus forms despite me, no worries. As for Mr. Dekker, first of all, I would note WP:OTHERCONTENT. It's certainly an argument that the information is used that way in the other article, but not a dispositive one, nor for me a particularly persuasive one. I am definitely going to edit over there to take out some detail that is not found in the source (and if it were up to me, I'd take out most of the detail, but I will not do that). There's certainly logic behind your position and I think this is one where we simply have to trust to the wisdom of consensus. Cheers. Dumuzid ( talk) 20:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC) reply

No objection from me to removing the claim at the Dekker article. Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply

A few choices of included information in that paragraph kind of baffle me. Why is it relevant to have a parenthetical specifying that the day of death was a Thursday? Why is it relevant to give the address of the police station involved in the investigation? To a lesser extent, why is it relevant to know what his dinner arrangements were the day before? Or to know when exactly he arrived in Bangkok? Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 23:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC) reply

 Done @ Kumagoro-42: I removed the instances, they do not add to the article. Thanx for the note. - FlightTime ( open channel) 23:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks! Kumagoro-42 ( talk) 00:39, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply