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Reviewer: Zad68 ( talk · contribs) 15:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Starting review... right off the top, looks pretty decent. ihyuan, are you still around to respond to questions/issues??
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17:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Finished first read-through, notes below, still have to go through sources. There are some grammar and clarity items to address.
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19:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
ihyuan, are you around to fix the issues identified? If not, this won't be able to pass GA...
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22:33, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
OK I spent a little more time tonight looking at the article and right now I am leaning toward not passing it at this time. The biggest issue I ran into tonight is the use of Neyman 1978, which is a primary study, and it appears the interpretation of this primary source is being done by the Wikipedia article author, which is a pretty serious problem per
WP:NOR. Also the paper studied one group of tamarins and Neyman's observations of this group are being use to support fairly central general statements in the article about tamarins, and this is also a
WP:NOR problem--the source cited doesn't support the article content. There are some other sourcing problems as well, including using Wikipedia as a source (not allowed) and what looks like an anonymous self-published source. So, I'm getting the suspicion that a good understanding of WP sourcing guidelines was not used during article development. I'd like to hear back before making a final decision but these seem like non-trivial problems that would require a bigger time window to fix than is normally seen in a GA review.
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05:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
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18:27, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Thanks folks... as discussed above, this article does not meet GA standards at this time and isn't reasonably expected to be able to be made to meet the standards in the normal GA timeframe.
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02:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Picked up again as Jack has been willing to address issues, continuing review.
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04:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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04:27, 7 March 2013 (UTC)Jack I will be providing more notes but need a few days, appreciate your patience.
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Jack it was pointed out to me that it wasn't proper form to try to continue a failed GA, so we're moving it over to the GA2 page. See you over
here...
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03:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | short paragraph, overuse & misuse of 'however', some long sentences need to be broken up/simplified, a few grammar and clarity items to resolve | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | issues with WP:WTW "claim", "finally" | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | ref to German Wikipedia, animalinfo.org does not appear to be WP:RS, cannot confirm "15 individuals" from source cited, fozblog.com is borderline | |
2c. it contains no original research. | WP:PRIMARY Neyman paper used, there are concerns that the author of the Wikipedia article is the one doing the interpretation of Neyman | |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | ||
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | This article's large section on lanaguage development is in line with the emphasis I see from a quick Google Scholar search | |
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Really nice image selection! A few of the captions could be more expressive. | |
7. Overall assessment. | Does not meet GA standard at this time |
In German-speaking areas, the cotton-top tamarin is commonly known as "Lisztaffe" (literally "Liszt monkey") most likely due to the resemblance of its hairstyle with that of Hungarian composer and piano virtuoso Franz Liszt.-- this is sourced to German Wikipedia, Wikis are never WP:RS, either remove the sentence (it's not critical) or cite the underlying sources
The cotton-top tamarin is a highly social primate that typically lives in groups of 15 individuals.15 exactly, or is there a range? I checked this against the cited source document and can't confirm 15, what page is it on?
They concluded that S. oedipus uses a simple grammar consisting of eight phonetic variations of short, frequency-modulated “chirps” that each represents varying messages and five longer constant frequency “whistles.”-- grammar issues here, consider: "They concluded that S. oedipus uses a simple grammar consisting of eight phonetic variations of short, frequency-modulated “chirps”–each representing varying messages–and five longer, constant-frequency “whistles.”
They claim that some of these calls demonstrate-- "claim" is a WP:WTW indicating doutfulness, consider "theorize" or "hypothesize"
However, infants will also reduce their prototype chirping in the presence of predators. While it is unclear whether infants are shadowing the calling behavior of adults or they are comprehending danger remains unclear. However researchers argue that these cotton-top toddlers are able to represent semantic information regardless of immature speech production-- is "However" needed here, both times?
Habitat destruction through forest clearing is the main cause of this collapse, and cotton-tops have lost more than three-quarters of their original habitat to deforestation.-- cited to "fozblog" which appears to be a borderline source, can you find a stronger source?
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and Coimbra-Filho in 1981[7], and,
the Pinché tamarin[5], is; sometimes outside
such as Thorington (1976),[7] posit,
described by Linnaeus in 1758.[3]. I like refs after punctuation.
Hernandez-Camacho & Cooper (1976), and later Mittermeier and Coimbra-Filho in 1981
Cotton-tops also have forelimbs that are shorter than their hind limbs. Males of the species are only slightly larger than females. Like other members of the Callithrix family, the species has claws on most fingers and toes. However, only the big toe has flat nails that most other primates have.,
It is considered one of the few bare-faced tamarins because of the lack of facial hair. Its lower canine teeth are longer than its incisors, creating the appearance of tusks.... but the referencing that is there meets the relatively low GA requirements
including curiosity, fear, dismay, playfulness, warnings, joy, and calls to young.-- unnecessary and inconsistent wikilinking in here