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Is there any serious historical work that has been done on the Arizona Territory?
evrik 00:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)reply
Map
The map,
Image:Wpdms arizona new mexico territories 1863 idx.png, is labelled "1863", but by that time the CSA forces had left the territory. The map seems to depict the situation that existed between March 1861 and March 1862. Any other thoughts? Thanks,-
Willmcw July 5, 2005 20:52 (UTC)
I've fixed the caption to reflect the context of this image more clearly. Some other fixes to the article help establish dating.--
Dhartung |
Talk 00:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)reply
The map indicates the Indian Territory to be Union, although it was Confederate.
Format.
I have tryed to improve it an remove all the white gappy bits and drew it togeather!--
Snow storm in Eastern Asia (
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Image
Is that last image serious? It looks like a hoax!
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Moved to
Confederate Arizona. The discussion quickly grew somewhat convoluted, but clearly there is support for a move away from the previous title, and to a more concise title, but not for the disambiguator specified in the initial move request. However,
Cúchullain has adduced evidence in support of an even more concise alternative (and a brief search of available sources eminently supports that proposed title). It also presents an instance of natural disambiguation, which is a Good Thing.
bd2412T 23:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Arizona Territory (Confederate States of America) → Arizona Territory (Confederate States) – This is the only page that uses "Confederate States" or "Confederate States of America" in disambig parentheses. I'm generally in favor of titles matching their parent article's title (in this case
Confederate States of America), but we shouldn't put pointless extra words in disambig parentheses. The purpose of disambig parentheses is simply to distinguish multiple articles with the same title. To adapt a quote from
Apteva, disambig parentheses don't always need to be as precisely named as article titles, and shorter names are easier to use. "Confederate States" is plenty to disambiguate such articles from others with the same title.
Emmette Hernandez Coleman (
talk) 08:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Support in principle. I don't care what particular disambiguator is chosen but conciseness is good.
Red Slash 16:43, 6 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose In my experience, both "Confederate States of America" an "the Confederacy" are commonly used (the latter possibly more frequently), but "Confederate States" is not used particularly commonly and seems to me to be thus less recognisable.
Neljack (
talk) 03:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Funny, my belt buckle says "Confederate States Army" and it never seemed ambiguous to me. Besides, the first sentence of the Wikipedia article reads "The Confederate States of America (CSA), commonly referred to as the Confederate States..." —
AjaxSmack 03:52, 30 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Support "Confederate Arizona". Short, sweet and clear.
Neljack (
talk) 23:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Neljack. The current title is not massively overlong, and the proposed one could fail recognisability. —
Amakuru (
talk) 14:32, 16 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. "CSA" and the "Confederacy" are common shorthands for the government; "Confederate States" is not nearly so common. I agree that conciseness is desirable; perhaps just (CSA) would do it.--
Cúchullaint/
c 18:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)reply
"
CSA" is less clear than "Confederate States" as it also stands for "Confederate States Army" among other things. —
AjaxSmack 03:52, 30 December 2013 (UTC)reply
All it needs to do is distinguish the article from
Arizona Territory in a recognizable fashion. If we want conciseness "CSA" is the most concise, and it's also a much more common shorthand than "Confederate States".--
Cúchullaint/
c 06:20, 30 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Neljack.
Arizona Territory (CSA) might be ok as a redirect; note that the Confederacy isn't the primary topic for
CSA. --
BDD (
talk) 00:42, 20 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. We haven't had much trouble with "United States" as a disambiguator. A reader will likely recognise both "Confederate States of America" and "Confederate States" or neither. —
AjaxSmack 03:52, 30 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Move instead to
Confederate Territory of Arizona. Completely recognizable, more accurate, more natural disambiguation. Agree "United States" is a superfluous disambiguator. --
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 03:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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Map in infobox is wrong
The map is labeled "Map of the Confederate States." The most glaring problem is the map includes Missouri and Kentucky, which never joined the Confederacy, they were
Border states that remained loyal to the Union. Second, the map includes Arizona Territory and Indian Territory (modern day Oklahoma), which weren't states at the time, and would be more accurately described as territories claimed by the Confederacy.
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99.111.255.214 (
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