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What's up with the strange qualification if one construes that term to include all churches that are in communion with the pope and acknowledging that all Christians owe obedience to the pope, regardless of whether they are of the Latin Rite or one of the Eastern Rites? I'm not saying it's wrong, just strange. Benwbrum 22:36, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I removed the exception for a Roman Catholic marrying an Orthodox Christian in an Orthodox Church for two reasons: 1) the Orthodox wedding service includes the sharing of a symbolic common cup, NOT the Eucharist, and 2) knowingly permitting any non-Orthodox to receive the Eucharist is extremely rare, and would probably get the priest called up before the bishop before you could say "Receive the Body of Christ." Such an interfaith marriage would require episcopal approval anyway, which would, in most circumstances, be contingent on the non-Orthodox party not receiving any sacraments other than Matrimony. JHCC 17:53, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Being a relative novice to Wiki and with my knowledge of the subject rather limited I didn't dare to tamper with an article but may I post a suggestion? I would suggest to balance the phrase:
"Thus, a member of the Russian Orthodox Church attending the Divine Liturgy...; as will a non-Christian, of course." by changing it for example like this:
"Thus, a member of the Russian Orthodox Church attending the Divine Liturgy in a Greek Orthodox Church, will be allowed to receive communion, but a Roman Catholic attending a Greek Orthodox liturgy will be excluded from communion and vice versa. In either case, non-Christians are also excluded."
I humbly ask not to be flamed upon. I know, this is a delicate subject -- Irpen 17:58, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't see this previously discussed here, but see footnote #24 here. Is "closed" still a commonly used phrase in other denominations? LCMS clearly writes "close communinion" in all their official theological statements. - Jcbarr 02:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The [Roman] Catholic church permits members of all the ancient sacramental churches -- Orthodox, Assyrian, Coptic, etc -- to receive communion. This fact is printed in the inside front cover of the missalette in every single pew of every single Catholic church. I am surprised that this article is incorrect on this point. Lawrence King 02:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I fixed it. Lawrence King 07:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Lawrence, what you say is true, but qualified. They are asked to respect the discpline of their own churches. Currently the Orthodox church typically do not allow their members to receive in the Roman Catholic Church. DaveTroy 20:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
And vice versa. Basically, you can be communed in another church that agrees with yours on the nature of the sacrament - as far as they are concerned. However, you will likely be in trouble with your own. 31.75.208.96 ( talk) 11:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
The validity of the Anglican Orders isn't a personal opinion, its the position of the Anglican Church. You can't leave in the Roman POV and then dismiss the Anglican one as "personal opinion". The fact is the the alleged invalidity is an RC peculiarity, which tends not to be followed in other apostolic-succession bodies like the Orthodox and Old Catholic churches. Carolynparrishfan 19:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed the statement in several articles that Latter-day Saints have closed communion. While the Church teaches that the Sacrament (Eucharist) is efficacious only for baptized members in good standing, the never-baptized are not refused participation in communion. In fact it is traditional for children who are not yet baptized (this only occurs at age 8) to participate. It is often said that this is done in anticipation of baptism (whereas baptized members participate in re-affirmation of baptism). The only people who may be refused communion are baptized members not in good standing or excommunicated members. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 160.39.59.83 ( talk) 08:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
Since it has been proposed on the Eucharistic discipline article that there is a need for sections on open and closed communion and because the this page doesn't contain much information anyway (and because it falls under the broader heading of Eucharistic discipline), I am proposing we merge it into a section of Eucharistic discipline article. Thoughts? -- jackturner3 02:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The Patriarchate of Antioch is, I think, in communion with at least the Armenians, if not some other obscure churches, like the Assyrians? I used to attend the Antiochian church in Colchester, Essex, where father Alexander Haig is the priest, under metropolitan Gabriel of Paris. Thus it is fully apostolic and canonical. He administered communion knowingly to an Armenian monophysite from Syria. Also in The Orthodox Church by Kallistos, it says something about Antioch entering communion with an obscure assyrian/iraqi/turkish church at some point in the early 20th c. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.228.145 ( talk) 17:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
The following text is a copy of the discussion that was begun at Talk:Fenced table, not here, when the original proposal was that the "fenced table" be merged with Eucharist. Lima ( talk) 11:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there is enough material in this article to stand alone, but I believe it would work fine as a sub-section of the Eucharist article. -- User:Kyledi, 6 September 2009
End of copied text. Lima ( talk) 11:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe fencing the table is synonymous with closed communion. Closed communion restricts the sacrament to members of a particular church or denomination, while fencing the table does not have to be that narrow. For example, it could be said that requiring baptism before receiving communion and barring ex-communicants are forms of fencing the table, which is compatible with allowing members of other churches to partake. In short, a church could practice open communion and still fence the table. For example, see PCA Report of the Ad Interim Committee on Fencing the Lord's Table, which defines open communion as "allowing members in good standing of any evangelical church to partake." So how should this section fit with the articles on open and closed communion? -- Kyledi 23:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Can someone cite this part of the article? "Spiritual benefit is considered to accrue, for instance, when a couple receive communion together at their wedding. Some hold that a Catholic priest could give communion to a Protestant marrying a Catholic, even outside the conditions mentioned above, provided the Catholic understanding of the Eucharist is not in any way contradicted." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.98.202.108 ( talk) 16:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
These questions raise so many doubts that I have thought it best to revert until they are first discussed here. Esoglou ( talk) 10:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello User:Esoglou, if you wish to remove the statement concerning bullet number 5, I can accept this, even though I would prefer to leave the statement in as this is a popular phenomenon. I have personally visited many Catholic parishes where this is the case. You state "has it now become universal?" I do not think so. As a compromise, I am willing to remove the statements you discuss in bullet number 5 and preface the other sentence in question with "In some English-speaking areas,". I hope this is acceptable and look forward to hearing your comments. With regards, Anupam Talk 18:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I find the statement about most Lutherans practicing closed Communion wrong and contrary to my actual experience. I have been member of a Deutsche Evangelische Gemeinde (as they are known in Luther's fatheland) Evangelische Kirk in Deutschland and indeed they are very very open with Eucharistic Hospitality (other name for open comunion), the same for other national Lutheran churches unlike another denomination which is currently led by another national who comes from Luther's fatherland who indeed told off his followers in a rather unecumenical not to get communion from others churches usually Luthers followers in Deutschland!
I would like clarification before editing the text. Thanks FNM600 — Preceding unsigned comment added by FNM600 ( talk • contribs) 23:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Even Jehovah's Witnesses practice closed communion as well as Baptists and Anabaptists. I really don't know if you can take communion with Latter Day Saints if you want to. I know that in the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, you can't and even Roman Catholics are strictly forbidden to take communion with the Eastern Orthodox Christians. Ashbeckjonathan 00:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
In Mormonism (LDS), where the practice is simply referred to as “the Sacrament”, a bishop or some higher official can revoke the privilege to partake of the Sacrament, generally due to some infraction. Hellenophile07 ( talk) 21:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
I have removed from the section "Supporting belief" the statement, "In the book Close Communion Or, Baptism as a Prerequisite to the Lord's Supper written by John Tyler Christian, Alexander Campbell rejected the idea of allowing any unimmersed believers to receive the church ordinances in the church in a debate with Nathan Lewis Rice."
Does this mean that in his book John T. Christian reported Alexander Campbell as excluding from church ordinances those who had not received baptism by immersion? Whether this is the meaning or not, something clearer is needed. Furthermore, since it gives no indication of the grounds on which Christian or Campbell or whoever excluded the non-immersed, it is out of place in a section on the reasons given in support of closed communion. Esoglou ( talk) 07:47, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Like in the rest of Asia, do the Catholic and some Protestant churches in the Philippines practice closed communion also? I observed in my junior and senior years, when I attended a Catholic high school, that some Protestants like Anglicans and Methodists receive the Eucharist when Mass attendance is required for non-Catholic Christians when studying in Catholic schools and colleges. In return, some non-Protestant or Protestant students of other denominations who study in specific-denomination Protestant schools and colleges receive the sacrament when they attend services. Is that a form of local ecumenism or for formality's sake? Clarify if you want. Santiago Claudio ( talk) 12:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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I really have to question if the Churches of Christ really practice closed communion because I don't know any that practice closed communion. Ashbeckjonathan ( talk) 02:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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