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Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
May 23, 2023 Peer reviewReviewed
June 14, 2023 Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " Did you know?" column on June 29, 2024.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the dispute between France and Mexico over Clipperton Island was settled by King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy?
Current status: Good article


1725 Expedition

Mention of a French expedition lead by "M. Bocage" in 1725 is not able to be reliably sourced. It was added to the article with this edit on 21 December 2003, part of a string of edits to expand the article by User:Colinpcarr who's been inactive since 2004. The phrase "The first scientific expedition took place in 1725, under Frenchman M. Bocage, who lived on the island for several months." (or close versions of it) appear frequently online and in a few print sources, but I haven't found any that pre-date 2003 and some of the instances credit Wikipedia for the claim. A source was added with this edit in July 2020 by User:Jsturgeis to clear a citation needed tag added in January 2018, but the source is unreliable, recycling content from the Wikipedia article as part of the Republic of Molossia micronation.

The French wiki version of the article, ( fr:Île Clipperton), makes no mention of a 1725 expedition and it's unusual that the named expedition leader, "M. Bocage", is so similar to one of the 1711 French re-discoverers of the island, Michel Dubocage, whose surname is also rendered as "du Bocage". None of the sources as part of Colinpcarr's expansion include mention of a 1725 expedition (and two refer to the 1825 visit by Morrell as the first confirmed landing). Absent any new reliable source for the claim, I will add it to Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia#False statements in articles; at 19 years, 3 months, and 15 days, it's the longest-lasting false statement in an article found thus far. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 15:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC) reply

Better media from Clipperton

I've reached out to a ham radio DX-pedition that is planning on going to Clipperton and they've agreed to release a few photos and possibly a short video under a CC license so that'll be a nice new addition to the article. If for whatever reason anyone knows of someone going here please let us know and ask them to take some images for us. Dr vulpes ( 💬 • 📝) 01:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC) reply

GA Review

Passed. 141 Pr { contribs} 17:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Praseodymium-141 ( talk · contribs) 17:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC) reply

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

After skimming through the article, it seems like this is in a good condition. I'll try and review this as quick as possible. 141 Pr { contribs} 17:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b. ( MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a. ( reference section):
    b. (citations to reliable sources):
    c. ( OR):
    d. ( copyvio and plagiarism):
    Checked Earwig's copyvio detector. Doesn't seem to be plagiarism. 141 Pr { contribs} 07:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a. ( major aspects):
    b. ( focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    A few reverts but nothing like an edit war.
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
    b. ( appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Sorry for the delay, I was just about to finish the previous GA nomination. I'll try to post some comments today. 141 Pr { contribs} 07:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC) reply

No rush, it's all good, I'm just grateful that you're giving us feedback. Take your time it's all good. Dr vulpes ( 💬 • 📝) 07:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Comments

To start:

  • Clipperton Island is the only French possession in the North Pacific. - not sure, but I think only French-owned territory in ... sounds better.
Changed to "only French territory" "-owned" sounds off to my ear. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Yes, that's fine. 141 Pr { contribs} 11:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Explain interconnectivity and stepping stone in the interconnectivity of its marine fauna with the marine fauna of Hawaii and Kiribati's Line Islands, with the island being labelled as a stepping stone between the southcentral and southeastern Pacific
The basic concept is that Clipperton is part of a bigger Pacific ecosystem, which can be seen in the related species that span the Eastern Tropical Pacific. Replaced with due to commonalities between its marine fauna and the marine fauna of Hawaii and Kiribati's Line Islands, with the island sitting along the migration path for animals in the Eastern Tropical Pacific region — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 13:23, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • The land ring surrounding the lagoon measures 1.7 square kilometres (0.66 sq mi) in area with an average elevation of 2 m (6.6 ft) although a small volcanic outcropping, referred to as Clipperton Rock (Rocher de Clipperton), rises to 29 m (95 ft) on its southeast side add a comma before although.
Done. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Clipperton Rock is the remains of the island's now extinct volcano; because it includes this rocky remanent, Clipperton is not a true atoll and is sometimes referred to as a 'near-atoll' - does the volcano have a name? Also explain remanence.
No name for the volcano. Coral islands typically begin as a fringing reef around a volcanic island. When the volcano goes extinct, it can subside (basically erode away) leaving just the growing reef, which can form an atoll. In this case, Clipperton Rock is a part of that original volcanic island rim that did not totally subside. I changed remenat to outcropping. Also, added link to coral island at start of the section. Is further explanation of the formation of coral islands needed here? — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Yes, that would be great. 141 Pr { contribs} 11:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Is the first part of Environment necessary? It is slightly weaselly, I'm not sure though.
Can you be more specific? The first section gives a quick overview of recent research expeditions to the island. I'm not sure I'm seeing what would be weaselly there. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 13:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
I've copy-edited the first section some. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 16:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • The lagoon is devoid of fish, and is shallow over parts of the previous coral reefs but contains some deep basins with depths of 43–72 m (141–236 ft), including a spot known as Trou "Sans Fond" ('the bottomless hole') with acidic water at its base. - previous? also should Trou be inside of the quotation marks?
"Previous" is a misinterpretation of mention of coral heads in the source. Will address. The French charts put only "Sans Frond" in quotes. Probably can drop them as being just a convention. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • The island is assigned the French postal code 98799, though there is no post office on the island. - Is this necessary as a one sentence section? Should probably be merged into the lead, can see anywhere else it could be.
Moved into infobox with the details in an end note. — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 01:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply

More to come later, I'm really busy in real life right now. 141 Pr { contribs} 16:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC) reply

I think that's it for the prose comments. Just chcecking reliability of references. Are these reliable:

  • ref 3?
  • ref 25?
  • ref 96?
  • ref 119?
  • ref 217?

Fix permanent dead link on 166. That's all for now. 141 Pr { contribs} 19:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC) reply

I'll take a look at this later today but thank you for going over everything and for your notes. Really glad to see how well this article is shaping up! Dr vulpes ( 💬 • 📝) 21:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Yes, the article does look good! I'll put this article on hold for now for 7 days, so that we can finish the above comments. If these issues are fixed I'll have another quick check of the article. 141 Pr { contribs} 17:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Regarding the sources:
  • Ref 3: Primary, but acceptable use, it's the relevant French statute
  • Ref 25 (now 26): Primary, but acceptable use, interview with a sailor stationed there. Additional sources support the claims.
  • Ref 96 (now 97): Hasn't been discussed at WP:RS. The archive shows some user-generated content separated from the database information. This is the current page for the ship, which is all database and not user-generated, shows the ship is still in service (the relevant claim). Will update.
  • Ref 119 (removed): Generally unreliable source per WP:RSP. Removed and reworked paragraph.
  • Ref 217: Primary, but acceptable use to support statement that Cordell Expedition and TX5K DX-pedition were connected.
  • Ref 166: Current version located and URL updated.
— Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 20:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC) reply

I can't see any more problems right now, so I will pass the article. 141 Pr { contribs} 17:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC) reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 22:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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U.S. Navy weather station on Clipperton Island
U.S. Navy weather station on Clipperton Island

Improved to Good Article status by Dr vulpes ( talk) and Tcr25 ( talk). Nominated by Dr vulpes ( talk) at 21:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Clipperton Island; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page. reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @ Dr vulpes: Good article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 00:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Distance from Acapulco

The lead mentions that Clipperton Island is 1,080 km from Acapulco - but the map (under Geography) shows 1,280 km! According to Google Maps, it's 1,250 km. Prisoner of Zenda ( talk) 06:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Corrected to align with the map. (I get 1243.68 km from Google Earth, but will go with the published source ...) — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 11:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Other distances

The map (under Geography) shows 2,390 km to the Galapagos Islands - but according to Google Maps, it's over 2,400 km to Puerto Ayora on Isla Santa Cruz; however, I can't determine from the map just where the measurement ends. Since the GI span some 250 km, 2,390 km may be correct. The 945 km to Isla Socorro seems reasonable; Google Maps has 961 km. Prisoner of Zenda ( talk) 06:46, 29 June 2023 (UTC) reply

The distance to Hawaii is given as 4,940 km - but Google maps shows it is 5,325 to Honolulu, and 5,060 to the centre of the island of Hawai'i, and 4,990 km to the easternmost tip of the island; i.e. 4,940 km is some 50 km short (OK, an error of 1%). Prisoner of Zenda ( talk) 06:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Agree that the image's distances may be using some rounding or conversion factor that's not quite precise (or maybe it's a calculation error). — Carter (Tcr25) ( talk) 11:49, 29 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Pointless sentence

Under the heading "geography," "in the 1940s American ships reported active problems in this regard" shoud be deleted since it doesn't add geographical info, is more thoroughly covered under "history," and "active problems" is a nonsensical construction. Citizen127 ( talk) 22:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC) reply

OK, go ahead and fix it. Herostratus ( talk) 17:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC) reply
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