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It hasn't been updated since 2000 and the data is from 1990 studies. It is now unreliable compared to Pew study of 2009 and ARIS study from Trinity College of 2008. Alatari ( talk) 16:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
There is no 243m number in any of the sources. There are only two stated numbers in the sources. The outdated 1990 information from adherents of 224m and the AIS number of 173m. We need updated numbers and the ARIS is the only from this decade that states an actual total. Alatari ( talk) 17:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I did try and explain the two figures in the lead but Carlaude is going delay and stall any changes to reflect the more recent figures. Adherents data is 21 years out of date. It says very clearly on their site the date of the figures. So I will tag the article as out of date. ARIS page is working for me: http://commons.trincoll.edu/aris/files/2011/08/ARIS_Report_2008.pdf Alatari ( talk) 08:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
AGAIN... adherent data is from 1990!!! The page is out of date... This is ridiculous that one editor refuses to accept newer information. We'll have to go to the wider Wikipedian base to get an opinion. Alatari ( talk) 18:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
We go by what the sources say a Christian is. The ARIS studies of 2001, 2008 and the Pew study give clear definitions of who they count and how. The information from adherents is from Russel Ash's Top Ten... book of lists from 1997 and I can't find the book and have no idea how he came up with the number 224 million and searched for an hour and found no later references to Christianity from his later publications of that Top Ten book series. No matter the quality of his work it is now 14+ years out of date whereas we have two high quality reliable polls performed in the last 5 years. There are anonymous and rogue accounts trying to push a 243m figure from unknown sources into Wikipedia Christianity articles so that they can say the USA is the largest Christian nation in the world. It's political. I have asked 3 different editors who have tried to place the 243m figure into the articles to just please give a reliable source but they won't. Wikipedia is inherently positivist in philosophy. Alatari ( talk) 07:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
WP:RS is not anything but positivist. Adherents data comes from the Top Ten list of Ash Russel which has NO information on how it was compiled. The Adherents definition maybe correct or not. Doesn't matter when it's pulling the data from an unreliable source. Even if it IS reliable it is from 1993, 94, 95 or 96 and so it is too old for this article. I want to exclude that data because it is just too OLD... Why is this so hard to comprehend? There are newer studies. There are much newer books from Ash Top Ten series that could be quoted so why are we using information from the mid 1990's? Alatari ( talk) 11:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Since 1990 the USA population has increased 58 million people and there have been many deaths in that time period. The adult population of Christians has dropped from 86% to 76% of the population and the number of unreligious has risen from 14 million to 34 million people. I'm confident those are large enough changes in demographics to be able to cast the 1998 Top Ten list data as out of date. Did the Top Ten books of Ash Russel stop listing Christianity? The Census Bureau isn't of help here. Alatari ( talk) 17:56, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
A researcher at PEW answered my email request about demographics of all US Christians:
Thanks for your inquiry about our research. I don't think we have a published document with exactly what you are looking for that is currently available. However, I can tell you that before the end of the year we expect to publish a report with the information you seek. It will describe the population of Christian adults and children, including all the details you requested and significantly more.
Best regards,
Conrad
Conrad Hackett
Demographer
Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life
so the new info should be available soon. Alatari ( talk) 01:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I consider it inappropriate to lump the LCMS in with Evangelicals. Many throughout the LCMS, especially in the seminaries and institutions of theological education, constantly rail against "Evangelical Christianity," and go to great lengths to define how the LCMS differs from it. For example, this article itself defines "Evangelical" denominations as those that emphasize "personal conversion" and gospel-related action. Although the LCMS does have conservative theology, and does believe in the inerrancy and inspiration of scripture, as an Old Lutheran denomination, the LCMS most emphatically denies "personal conversion," synergism, "choosing Jesus," "making a decision for Christ," "feeling the presence of God," or anything other than Lutheran single predestination. Furthermore, the LCMS can't really be accused of emphasizing that anyone do very much of anything, gospel-related or otherwise. Even though such goading toward "right doing" may be enshrined in the theology, it is absent from the practice. 72.8.255.85 ( talk) 23:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Data from [1] may be extracted and redone as a free license graph to be added here (and to articles about irreligion in the US). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Someone needs to edit the image so that the key is available on the Wikipedia page. It took me several clicks to find out what those colors were supposed to mean. I'm not familar with how to do it, or I may do it myself. If someone has a good refernce I'm will to give it a shot Fulner ( talk) 15:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
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The article names the UMC as third largest church in the US. According to /info/en/?search=United_Methodist_Church there are 6,671,825 adherents of the UMC in the US. According to /info/en/?search=The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_membership_statistics_(United_States) there are 6,721,032 adherents of the LDS faith. Considering LDS church growth and UMC membership trends( /info/en/?search=United_Methodist_Church#Membership_trends) it seems proper to replace UMC with LDS as third largest denomination. Any opposed? Shai-Huludim ( talk) 12:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, all the above data is linked to external sources. Take a look. Shai-Huludim ( talk) 20:49, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Anybody against the article being changed?
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Ok, I was able to change the text, but on trying to edit the references, I couldn't really enter the list. What now? Shai-Huludim ( talk) 20:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Done. Shai-Huludim ( talk) 17:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
So after more than a month of me announcing to make a change user "Tahc" deletes my changes minutes after I'm done. Serious? Justification for the change being an "estimated" number? So estimates are now legit reasons for wikipedia entries? Maybe a mod should take a good look on this. Shai-Huludim ( talk) 18:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The World Council of Churches states a different number of 5 million. An it doesn't call it an estimate. So how come the difference? https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/national-baptist-convention-of-america-inc Since the data seems not reliable, it should not be used. The other churches provide precise numbers and they're up to date. But you're more than welcome to contact the NBC and get some reliable numbers if you please. Shai-Huludim ( talk) 20:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article references a 2014 survey and then compares it backwardly to a 2015 survey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.254.169.145 ( talk) 01:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Should there be a new chapter here on "Christian nationalism" where we mention a growing number of conservative American christians are trying to change their country into adopting their religious laws like "abortion criminalisation" and suceeding in states like Texas? While also those americans who strongly embrace Christian nationalism— about 30 million adult or 20 percent of white americans, want to enact voter supression on ethnic minority communties and many tend to support Trump? https://time.com/6052051/anti-democratic-threat-christian-nationalism/ Unicornblood2018 ( talk) 09:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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Sorry the numbers of christian do NOT add up. Are you suggesting that Orthodox and others (outside of Catholics and Protestants) do not count? Also what is protestant and what is not? is that even defined? JOCA ( talk) 19:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
This article says that "owing to its size," Catholics are more likely to complete higher education and earn in excess of $100,000 a year than other denominations, but I don't think this is correct. A large share of American Catholics are Hispanic, but Hispanic Catholics have much lower levels of income and educational attainment than white Catholics. In income, white Catholics are above all other ethno-religious groups but Asian Protestants, Asian-unaffiliated, Jews and Hindus, while Hispanic Catholics are at the bottom (even Asian Catholics are above white Protestant groups in income.) [2]. So it is not merely the size of the denomination producing these results.
And what is the purpose of lumping in all these different Protestant denominations together as if they form a coherent religious grouping? Is it just because most reliable sources are still doing this? Historically this would've made more sense. Jonathan f1 ( talk) 22:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)