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I'm promoting this article to GA status per the qualifications. It is well written, clear, and of a good, neutral tone. The article is well cited with inline citations, and is fairly comprehensive. The subject is obscure, but interesting, and of clear relevance to the future of religious integration and tolerance in Afghanistan.
Here are a few suggestions for continued improvement:
Thanks to the editors working on this article, you've done well, and the article is in a good state for further improvement. Phidauex 16:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is overtly bias and exceedingly speculative. For instance, a portion of the article reads:
"The Catholic community in Afghanistan is mainly made of foreigners, especially aid workers, and no Afghans currently are part of the Church, mainly due to great social and legal pressure not to convert to non-Islamic religions."
This passage totally fails to recognize the existence of several more substantive reasons why Afghans simply do not want to become Catholics. There is absolutely no indication that their hesistation to convert is chiefly based on social pressures and not mainly on other premises. This is one of many instances in where the article is not devoid of bias. NPOV tag added. Scythian1 ( talk) 16:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The very fact that you are misconstruing my contention with the article into something wholly irrelevant if not accusatory, establishes your partisanship and slant concerning this article. Moreover, that contested portion - that no Afghans currently being part of the church mainly due to "great" social and legal pressure - does NOT contain any references as well. Thus the initial burden is on YOU to find a proper reference showing that no Afghans currently, are part of the church MAINLY because of great social and legal pressure. Such a showing is necessary given Wikipedia's demanding requirement on original research and its prohibition on speculation. Thus, once you meet that burden, I will happily search for a reference "of these other reasons." Accordingly, speculative content removed. Scythian1 ( talk) 07:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
As part of the GA sweeps performed by the Good Article Project Quality taskforce, this article has undergone an individual reassessment to ensure that it continues to meet the Good Article criteria. I found it to be a well-written, very interesting article. Many of the references were dead, so I updated them (mostly through Internet Archive's Wayback Machine). Overall, it is a well-sourced, neutral, stable article with no major issues that I can see. I am closing the reassessment as keep. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I already found one picture in our files that I posted - I am a member of the Barnabites, the order to which the mission sui iuris is entrusted. I will look for older photos and when I can try to get some current material from Fr. Moretti.
Rev. Peter M. Calabrese, CRSP 21:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC) FRMAVERICK — Preceding unsigned comment added by FRMAVERICK ( talk • contribs)
Overall good article. I was a bit confused though to learn that there are only about 100 Catholics in the country. I'd assume this doesn't (or didn't) include Catholics within foreign armies. What was the experience of such foreign Catholics? -- Zfish118 ( talk) 16:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. SSTflyer 09:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Roman Catholicism in Afghanistan →
Catholic Church in Afghanistan – This is the naming style of many other prominent analogous articles (
Catholic Church in the United States,
Catholic Church in England, etc.), and is the more appropriate style. Additionally, the page on the universal Church was decisively renamed
Catholic Church some time ago, and should set the standard for naming conventions. See
this discussion for an example of precedent and discussion of rationale. Deus vult!
Crusadestudent (
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Please see the consolidated discussion/proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism#"Catholic Church in" vs. "Roman Catholicism in". -- Zfish118⋉ talk 05:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
[Contents moved to move review.]
Please see move review here Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2016_June#Catholic_Church_in_Afghanistan -- Zfish118⋉ talk 19:22, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Opposed. WP:SNOW early close due to recent move review fully endorsed; this is only wasting editors' time. — JFG talk 00:19, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Catholic Church in Afghanistan → Roman Catholicism in Afghanistan – I believe the page move from "Roman Catholicism in Afghanistan" to "Catholic Church in Afghanistan" was premature, and I wish to restore the original name. There was no strong consensus for the move, and the arguments cited a non-binding precedent, that of the "Roman Catholic Church" to "Catholic Church", as well as an incorrect argument that "Catholic Church in Afghanistan" is more "appropriate". For reasons elaborated on in this essay: WP:Roman Catholic, "Roman Catholic" is an appropriate contemporary name for the church in union with the pope, and may be freely used when there is ambiguity. Several similar name changes were recently opposed by consensus, thus showing that there is no consensus currently for all Catholic related articles to strictly avoid "Roman" in the title.
While there are likely some cases where this change would be appropriate, in the Afghanistan article, it is disruptive, and introduces more ambiguity and inconsistency than the proposal corrected. The parent article for the series, Religion in Afghanistan uses the "Roman Catholic" convention, as do several templates and other Afghan religion articles. The history section for Catholic Church in Afghanistan also discussed the "Nestorian" church (AKA the Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East), which is unaffiliated with the Roman Catholic Church, and the article rename adds ambiguity that is difficult to correct without the "Roman" modifier in the title.
The name change introduces in consistency and ambiguity in the series, that could either be corrected by carefully editing each linked page, or by simply using the original name. --Zfish118⋉talk 06:09, 24 June 2016 (UTC) -- Zfish118⋉ talk 06:19, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The existence of articles titled with "Catholic Church in" is not in dispute, an I find it irksome to be told to "search and see". I am very aware of the conventions in use, and am not bothered by any so-called in consistency. There is no project wide consensus to resolve this inconstency. The article in question here only passed by a slim margin, and no work whatsoever had been to fix in consistencies. Several other recent proposals failed. Page names should not be determined by a coin flip; stability is far more valuable. If the original nominator would like to build a project wide consensus, that is one thing. But adhoc changes without follow through ate disruptive to other's efforts. I've been interested in this page for several years, making and encouraging small improvements to a this obscure article. Now, a drive by name change introduced a whole bunch of problems, without any efforts to help to address them. I am not claiming ownership, I am simply an involved editor aggrieved by sloppy edits approved by uninvolved editors. At least until recently, most references in the article still use Roman Catholic. If an editor wishes to rename an article with a primary argument of "consistency", it should be his responsibility to take over stewardship and fix inconsistencies. Had this been done, I would object less. This had not been done, and all I wish is not that a simple edit be made to revert the name change, at least until someone is willing to follow through and address the inconsistent use of Catholic and Roman Catholic in the Religion in Afghanistan series. -- Zfish118⋉ talk 17:31, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The Roman Catholic Church did not exist in Afghanistan prior to the 1500's, yet the early history refers to "This early establishment of the Church". The Catholic Church was referred to as "The Church" in the article at least once, it should be clarified which church is which. The section also states that 9 bishops and dioceses were established prior to Muslim conquest. Presumably these were "Nestorian" bishops, but I am not familiar with early Afghan history. All of these dates for bishoprics are from after communion between the Church of the East and Roman Catholic was broken. Discussion rolls seemless into the Jesuits, who were not affiliate with the so called "Nestorian" Church of the East, which was apparently persecuted to near extinction in Afghanistan two centuries prior. Again, the lack of affiliation should be made clearer.-- Zfish118⋉ talk 17:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)