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Surprised about the POV near the start of the article- especially the idea that monohull sailors are 'jealous' of multihulls and thus spurn them. AFAIK, monohulls continue to be popular for many very good reasons, not all of which are reflected in the article: they can be self-righting, whereas a cat cannot; the popular <25ft models can provide good acomodation, whereas a cat cannot; they can have much lower windage above the waterline than a cat; their lower windage and greater keel area confer benefits when sailing to windwards; finally, a multihull is inherently a more fragile design (Team Philips anybody?). 81.158.162.233 ( talk) 19:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
This is a ridiculous article. Catamaran is very generic term for a type of boat and the exact history of the type is not comletely known. The Tamil claim is a very weak one, however. Catamarans are known as Polynesian craft, and the Polyneasian made great voyages on them.
The picture the typify what a "catamaran" is, is a joke. It doesn't even appear to have two hulls.
I subscribed to Mutihulls magazine for a decade and never saw anything like that in the many article on catamarans I read.
In summary this page appears to have been taken over by and ethnic group with a weird agenda to drive to the detriment of people seeking information.
If you want the most typical catamaran to picture it would be a Hobie 16". I would venture to guess that over a million have been made at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.177.193 ( talk) 21:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I hope that people find this addition helpful. Dinghy racing in Britain is among the fastest growing sports, and the multihull/ monohull deabte is very topical. The situation may not be the same in the States or elsewhere, comments welcome. Great idea, this open source encyclopeia. Wow, yesterday I didn't know I would be a contributor to an encyclopedia! Double wow!! Me
I deleted this fragment: the sails don't loose power due to the hull and mastno over because I have no idea what it means. charlieF 16:55 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments and amendments, Egil, the page looks a lot better. I've added "European" at the end as most of the boats are popular in Europe as well as Britain. Tony
Lately the sails on cat's have changed a lot. The new sails love's that gust of wind! The so called "Fathead" sails do the sheets adjustments. Pieni.nl Mar 22, 2006 (UTC)
Why in Europe? The Hobie surely is American, the Tornado is international olympic, and the Catapult, Stealth, Spitfire, Hurricane, as far as I am concerned I'm guessing they are UK only. -- Egil 04:31 Mar 17, 2003 (UTC)
I think the others are popular in Europe as well, I agree about Hobies and Tornados. How about a list of popular cats ascribing to each the area/country where it is popular? Or a list of continents showing what the popular cats are.. Tony
I've put in the bit about heeling and sail power. Good job. Tony.
Could someone add where the name comes from and what it means? Alter Ego 16:56, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
With respect to popular racing catamarans, it would be a good idea to explain that Tornados are popular because they are an Olympic class, which in my book is favoritism! Hobie Cats are extreemly popular. There is the Hobi Cat 16 which does not have any dagger boards and can be "beached", hence very popular around sandy beach areas. The Hobi Cat 18 is a huge race class. However, the ebst catamaran I have sailed are from Performance catamaran who make the Prindle and Nacra models, with the Nacra being the higher performance ones. One of the particularities of the Nacra are the shape of the front of the hulls, they are designed to litterally go through waves. In comparisson with a Hobi Cat 18 that have some form of a cap that when you hit big waves, or when you downwind hull goes deep in the water, the hull design will slow you down, while the Nacra is designed to go thorugh that. The end result is that Nacras are much fatser and safer.
Being a Filipino (a citizen of the Philippines, on the west Pacific Ocean in Southeast Asia), my first impression of the Catamaran is that it was Filipino in origin. Catamaran is actually a Filipino word that means "laziness," thinking that it was named so because it could get you farther with less effort than the usual sea vessels. I also wondered how come most of the native fisherman's boats here have narrow bodies with outriggers on each side if indeed the Catamaran was Filipino. Thus in my search for the true origins of Catamaran the boat, I have come to realize that it is a good thing that it is not actually Filipino in origin. Thanks to wikipedia!
As one of the designers (CPA), I propose the link:
On the other hand, I am just browsing here; what about 'big sailing catamarans'? Just asking, Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 17:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Can somebody include what makes a catamaran a Wave Piercing Catamaran? Thanks, Stefan -- 58.187.33.6 15:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
The above article contains the history of how catamarans were first sighted by a western sailor, and various other tidbits of history regarding Catamarans. I propose that it be merged with this article under a separate section "History" or "Origins", since it is not notable or interesting enough to have a separate article.--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
This is in danger of becoming a huge list.
Could contributing editors look at it and decide first if a list is worthwhile, and second if this article is the right place for a list or if it should be split out. My own feelings are to split it out.
Fiddle Faddle 16:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Please merge relevant content, if any, from Cataraft per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cataraft. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. — Quarl ( talk) 2007-03-04 04:39Z
Catamarans are less likely to capsize in the classic 'beam-wise' manner but often have a tendency to 'pole-axe' (or 'pitchpole') instead - where the leeward (downwind) bow sinks into the water and the boat 'trips' over forward, leading to a capsize.
This is an issue with a few older designs, specifically the Hobie 14/16, that is not shared by most modern designs, i.e. Nacra/Inter 20 and a lesser degree the F18 & F16. -- I20-312 03:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
In the article it is stated that: Currently, most individually owned catamarans are built in France, South Africa, and Australia.
I think the Hobies are the most numerous in the world - where are these made? Would prefer to see numbers that indicate how many produced in each of these countries or percentage.
Can someone explain how a sail catamaran can reach a speed 1.5 times that of the wind? My basic understanding of sailing gives a 100% wind-speed as an ideal top speed, without power or currents. Once the boat goes faster, the wind is basically pushing it backward. Manofthesea ( talk) 18:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Please also include the hawaii ferry as a mega catamaran (it has some unique ecological/engineering features). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.132.145 ( talk) 18:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
we are trying to set up a hobiecat 16 and cant figure out how to set up the rigging and how to set up the mast —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.162.123.250 ( talk) 02:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
A problem with catamarans is that if one does capsize it's difficult to right it. I've never heard of a self-righting catamaran or other multihull design. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
This is a critical problem of the design, particularly for cruisers. It seems that this problem of high initial but no ultimate stability is notproperly addressed, in this somewhat one-sided article. A section on advantages and disadvantages compared to monohulls is needed, for things such as this and, off the top of my head, typically shallower draft (advantage), particularly poor performance heading off the wind on more than a broad reach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.16.238 ( talk) 05:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
The largest danger to crew in offshore sailing in being thrown overboard. For cruising cats, this is a very small problem, and so is capsize unless you are driving the boat too hard for conditions. You are much more likely to go in the water off a deck pitched over 30 degrees and more in a knock down or broach. In conditions where a rogue wave is a possible danger, a monohull can be rolled over and this is much more violent than ending up mast down and still foating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.164.139 ( talk) 22:00, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Does the list of manufacturers added by Rps today need to be changed to comply with WP:EL? -- Autopilot ( talk) 00:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
"The catamaran was first discovered being used by the paravas, a fishing community in the southern coast of Tamil Nadu, India."
If it was being used, then that wasn't its first discovery. Are we claiming that its earliest recorded use was among the Paravas? The word "discover" doesn't convey that idea, quite. - 68.191.214.241 ( talk) 18:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the sentence
Allures, a yacht-catamaran of more than 100 feet was launched in 2007 at Blubay Yachts, France and refeted by Coste Design&Partners.
If "refeted" is a real word, please define it. Is it by chance a typo for "refitted"? Substantiation of this possibility is, e.g.,
Shipyard/Builder : Composite Works, France
Naval Architect : Jean-Jacques Coste
Stylist : Jean-Jacques Coste
at http://www.navis-yacht-charter.com/luxury_catamaran_charter_allures
Mahnut 04:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The following doesn't make sense to me--you don't have a hull resting on another hull. Shouldn't the first use of "catamaran hull" be changed to something else, maybe "catamaran deck", or "catamaran cockpit", or "the deck and main body of the boat", or "the deck and superstructure of the boat"?
"The Westamarans, and later designs, some of them consisting of a catamaran hull resting on an air cushion between the hulls, became dominant for all high speed connections along the Norwegian coast."
Rhkramer ( talk) 14:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Most references to tacking a multihull make some comment about backing the jib. This is guaranteed to put the brakes on! I learned to tack properly after blowing a Hobie 16 jib out in a storm. It seems to fly against conventional wisdom, but the winning crews in Hobie nationals seem to do the same thing..... Turn through the wind fairly slowly. Fast turns require significant velocity changes on the hulls and the rudders act as brakes. On a Hobie, get hold of the boom (or use the traveller) and pull it into the wind - gently so that you are not stalling the main. This has the effect of pushing the stern of the boat around. Stop moving the boom across when it is in the correct position for the new tack. That's it! The boat keeps moving through the tack, losing much less speed than it does when backing the jib. The maneuver works equally well on large multihulls and backing the main will even get one out of irons (provided you know how to steer backwards). Those wide travelers make backing the main easy! Given the objection that many sailors express to tightening the main in a tack, I was reluctant to put this in the main article until a few others support the notion. Try it and see if it improves your tacking.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.172.201.161 ( talk) 06:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I've sailed a number a cats including Hobie 16s, and this seems reasonable if/when it works. In general, backing the jib should be avoided if you can and not jamming the tiller is also good advice for tacking fast. Backing the main is really similar to roll tacking a board boat. Cats never tack quite that easy except nowadays on foils where they stay on foil through both tacks and jibes. In larger cats, a good boat can tack without much tacking and I would try the main back process. I have my crew tack the jib as soon as I know I can carry through on momentum and fill the main. Trimming the jib too soon on the new tack can send you back into irons and I hate steering in reverse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.164.139 ( talk) 22:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I've sailed a number a cats including Hobie 16s, and this seems reasonable if/when it works. In general, backing the jib should be avoided if you can and not jamming the tiller is also good advice for tacking fast. Backing the main is really similar to roll tacking a board boat. Cats never tack quite that easy except nowadays on foils where they stay on foil through both tacks and jibes. In larger cats, a good boat can tack without much tacking and I would try the main back process. I have my crew tack the jib as soon as I know I can carry through on momentum and fill the main. Trimming the jib too soon on the new tack can send you back into irons and I hate steering in reverse. — Preceding
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I propose to delete the two photos of the "monohull catamaran". While I accepted they may underline the early etymology of the word "catamaran", it is confusing and unhelpful to show these pictures. In modern usage, a catamaran is only ever a twin-hulled multihull. Arrivisto ( talk) 08:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Done — Gone. Don't waste your time looking. If you do a 'find' in the article for [monohull] there are no hits, as suggested. Excellent article .!. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 17:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
The terms, amas and akas are inappropriately applied to catamarans here. An ama is an outrigger float, not a hull, and an aka is the structure that supports the ama. A catamaran has two hulls and a bridge deck connecting them. After pausing for further discussion of this point, I will edit, accordingly. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 18:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I can't seem to find very much information on this man; his biographical page is poorly referenced, and it is unclear to me whether he actually sailed this "double canoe" all the way to France. Anybody with more information on this man, and perhaps access to his book Kaimiloa would be much appreciated.
The passage in question is as follows:
In 1936 Éric de Bisschop built a Polynesian "double canoe" in Hawaii and sailed it home to a hero's welcome in France. In 1939, he published his book Kaimiloa, which was translated in English in 1940.
Sam.hill7 ( talk) 03:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles are not merely collections of photographs or media files with no accompanying text. This article has a hodgepodge of images that do not add value to the text. I plan to re-organize the images in a manner that is tied to the text, using the most illustrative examples. Please expect to see some galleries and images removed from the article that are not adding value. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 14:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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It seems to me that the following sentence in Cruising is topsy-turvy nonsense: "Choosing a catamaran offers increased speed at the expense of reduced load per unit of cost. A cruising monohull may be as short as 30 feet (9.1 m), whereas Howard and Doane put the threshold for a cruising catamaran at 40 feet (12 m), to achieve the same accommodation of cruising accommodation for crew and supplies." A cruising cat of 9M has the accommodation of a 12M monohull; and a 12M cruising cat (such as the Catalac 12M) has the accommodation of a very much longer and more expensive monohull. Arrivisto ( talk) 00:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
The idea that cats of 30 feet cannot be considered cruisers and are inferior to the same length monohull is simply false. Having cruised on a 30 ft cat with two adults, six kids and a german shepard, I beg to differ. An Iroquois Mk I on Lake Michigan. No 30 ft keelboat can do that in any kind of comfort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.164.139 ( talk) 22:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Dinghy-sized catamarans are sometimes referred to as "Beach Catamarans".I guess this is the same thing as beachcats. Article doesn't say what falls under that category (size, number of crew membwers...) 213.149.61.151 ( talk) 23:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
It isn't a precise cutoff, more about type of boat and sailing. The first C/S/K experiments were and I suspect still are used to take tourists on rides, up to 20 at a time on 30-40 foot beachcats. I never beached mine, but it would be fine except that the rudders don't kick up. It is a technique to service your cat or tri to run it up near the shore at high tide and work will it is out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.164.139 ( talk) 22:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Catamarans ... fall under the definition of dinghy. This is a quote from another wiki article. It should be covered, why, here.
Hi, I'm not entirely convinced that your edits of my stuff on Prout catamarans and mast-aft rigs amount to an improvement. I may make some edits to reinstate some elements. No hard feelings?! Arrivisto ( talk) 00:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I got to the page looking for information on the early Shearwater, didn't realize it was so early of a boat. Prout broth. were not as important in early offshore development and you should have a section on C/S/K, still extant as Choy Designs. This page has a number of the classic C/S/K boats. I note that Polynesian Concept was known for 1) built for Buddy Epsen (Jed Clampet) and they flipped it, which was quite the news in the multi-hull community at the time. The book "Catamarans Offshore" is a classic and should get a reference. https://books.google.com/books/about/Catamarans_Offshore.html?id=kLs269HLMukC C/S/K were once setting all the new passage records, many of them stood until the new wave of more modern megamultihulls started being built. This is a big hole in the article. Real story, the sailor who inspired me to be a sailor owned a boat just like "Yellow Bird" that you can find a picture of. It had all yellow sails too. It was raced in the 68 one of a kind and sold, damaged, after the race. It had punctured both hulls launching off one wave and landing on the next. The owner was quite competitive and I think he had made the hulls thinner by sanding them down some to make it lighter. I doubt it was the same boat, but it may have been. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.164.139 ( talk) 22:20, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Obsidian Soul, thank you for your interest in expanding and improving this article. I noticed that, at one point, there were so many images that some were placed on the left side, which is not recommended at MOS:IMAGELOCATION. It appeared that some images were relevant to the topic, but did not support the narrative in the text, so I removed them in the spirit of WP:NOTREPOSITORY. Let's work together, if you feel that certain images will improve the article. I suggest that we propose some text that improves the article and then provide a corresponding image that supports the proposed text. We can do that here, if you like. Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 21:27, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
The "Pioneering Spirit", the largest (work)boat in the world, designed and owned by Allseas Engineering, is NOT a catamaran. It is a pontoon-like vessel with a gap in the foreship. The ship therefore has two bows, but this does not make it a catamaran. A catamaran has two hulls!
I cannot believe there is not a word about James Wharram and his contribution to catamaran's design
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