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The Ellipse needs a source. I also failed to sign my last two edits, correcting the misspelling and fixing the formatting.
Jo7hs2 (
talk) 21:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)reply
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The result of the proposal was moved. --
BDD (
talk) 18:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)reply
He was just concerned about the capitalization. It's fixed now, I'm sure he'll change to "support".
Chrisrus (
talk) 06:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)reply
Yes, support; it seems to me that this is such a well known species with well known common name that it should be titled with the common name. I've made a corresponding case fix multiple RM at
Talk:Whitebark Pine, and so far have a little pushback with a preference for scientific name, which may be right for some of those.
Dicklyon (
talk) 06:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)reply
CommentWP:COMMONNAME is not a policy that automatically favors "common names" over scientific names. The policy talks about "most commonly used" names (in reliable English-language sources). A simple link to WP:COMMONNAME is not a good argument for this move. What is the most commonly used name in reliable sources? "Blue spruce" beats "Picea pungens" in a simple Google test, but
NGrams favors "Blue Spruce".
Plantdrew (
talk) 02:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Well said, absolutely! We can only support the vernacular name if it is indeed truly the common name. But I think in this particular case "Blue S/spruce" is the common name, in which case we can go with
WP:MOSLIFE to guide us on capitalization. Which we should. Hence my support for exactlyBlue spruce. Does that make sense?
Red Slash 03:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Indeed, the original proposal was both wrong case and poorly explained rationale. Still, as RedSlash says, it moved us to the right answer. Compare
n-grams.
Dicklyon (
talk) 03:53, 1 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - the blue forms are the kind that are popular in the nursery trade, but the natural wild tree is green, and that type is known in the nursery trade as "Green Spruce". I could support "Colorado spruce" as a common name for this page, but not any of the capitalizations of "blue spruce".
Sminthopsis84 (
talk) 20:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)reply
n-grams suggest that blue spruce is much more common than any of those alternatives.
Dicklyon (
talk) 21:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment - the n-grams data would show that people are chatting about their gardens, but if the article is about Picea pungens then I'd want it to cover the wild form of the plant as well as the cultivated types. I'd prefer to see
blue spruce and the other capitalizations and
silver spruce redirect to a section of this page about the blue and silver cultivars.
Sminthopsis84 (
talk) 21:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Does it matter at all to anyone if many readers want to read an article about the blue spruce, but not an article about Picea pungens?
Chrisrus (
talk) 22:43, 2 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Sometimes when a plant has important uses, we have two pages. I can't think of an example, though, where there is just a single species involved.
Banana refers to several species of Musa,
Cinnamon comes from several species of Cinnamomum. There's
Coffee,
Coffee bean, and several species of Coffea. Perhaps there are closer examples to this situation, but if not, I think there could be an outcry about creating two pages. (I'd favour doing so, though).
Sminthopsis84 (
talk) 14:30, 3 June 2013 (UTC)reply
So redirecting to a section on this page about the coloured cultivars, blue and silver?
Sminthopsis84 (
talk) 10:35, 4 June 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. I don't think plants should be exempt from COMMONNAME at all, certainly not in this case. --
B2
C 06:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)reply
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incorrect link for Blue Spruce for German (Deutsch)
the link for the Blue Spruce on the German wikipedia is incorrect but I don't know how to change it. The correct link would be <
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blau-Tanne>
The Blau-Tanne belongs to the Edel-Tanne. Stech-Fichte, the current link is a slang name and not the correct botanical name. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.241.59.249 (
talk) 10:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Nobel winning Bob Dylan
Why is Bob Dylan's painting Blue Spruce entitled Blue Spruce? The tree is not in the painting.