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Someone keeps adding Terry Wogan as a past pupil. Odd since he was born and raised in Limerick and there is no boarding in Belvedere. 00:50, 7 February — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.120.91 ( talk) 2006 (UTC)
Not really, he went to Belvedere in 5th and 6th year. Have a look in his auto biography. Got out of limerick as soon as he could! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.213.8 ( talk) 22:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Terry Wogan went to Belvedere.
he was a star of the belvedere debating team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjss3 ( talk • contribs) 11:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
In an RTE documentary he talks about his time in Belvedere and how he came to be there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Financefactz ( talk • contribs) 12:45, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I attended Belvedere from 1982 to 1991 and never heard this particular song. When did it become popular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.122.95 ( talk) 12:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I attended Belvedere from 1998 to 2004 and it was one of the first Rugby related songs I heard Takeshi316 21:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
It was popularised by the class of 1995 during a senior cup campaign. — Preceding
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DMcAlinden (
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contribs) 21:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand that to be the case - think it was the cheerleaders of 1995 - Fionan Murphy, Steve Murray and Hugh Brennan among others... The page appears to reflect that it was begun in 1997 which I think is incorrect. Perhaps someone could clarify?
217.206.192.162 (
talk) 12:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
In fact I can remember it being requested at the Graduation of Rhetoric 1996 - there was a brief delay before the ceremony and Lennie asked that the song be sung to "keep the proceedings moving along"... it's popularity then as an anthem of sorts was becoming quite apparent... 217.206.192.162 ( talk) 12:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
It was also sang at the graduation mass of 1997 by the students and had become a bit more official at that stage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.43.40.68 ( talk) 12:50, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
The first time that I heard it sung in a rugby context was by the IIAs in 1995; after we had been knocked out of the cup we were having a sing-song on the way home. During this we sang it to Ger Conran in a pretty spontaneous way. I am pretty sure that this is the origin of using it as a rugby anthem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.24.230 ( talk) 19:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Dave O'Hanlon wrote an arrangement of this song to be sung at liturgical events throughout the school year. This is the most recognized version of the song in the school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.97.211 ( talk) 13:19, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I recall that David O'Hanlon ('Dead-on Dave') was the instigator and promoter of the use of the song as a religious hymn - it later came into use at rugby matches in the late 90s' early 2000's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.43.40.68 ( talk) 12:49, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Names keep on getting added here which may be notable but which do not have Wiki entries, nor any citations of notability given. I have removed the following : John Gerard Campbell; Paul Robert Duffy; Fionan Murphy; David Ryan; Karl Mullen - on the basis that there is nothing cited for them, and none of them have a Wikipedia entry of their own. The only one I've heard of is Karl Mullen. I appreciate that a presence on Wikipedia should not be a minimum requirement, but when such a presence is lacking, I think there should be some kind of indication of notability by another means. -- Wastekiller 12:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Karl Mullen is cited in "Belvedere's Rugby Heroes". He is one of the most famous rugby internationals from Belvedere.
Karl Mullen - captained the Lions tour 1950. Captained Ireland's Grand Slam winning team 1948. Tt 225 22:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)tt225
Am I right in thinking that the eponymous Arthur Cox, the founding partner of that firm, attended Belvedere? If so, perhaps this is suitable for inclusion?
DMcAlinden (
talk) 10:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
This section has been removed by user Mjss3. I thought it was useful, neutral information, although it might have been a bit more concise. Any thoughts? Curtains99 10:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
useful to whom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjss3 ( talk • contribs) 11:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Change this heading to School Academic Structure (to match the article heading)? Also, the classes used to be named by a different convention: Senior school had four streams e.g. 1G1, 1GA, 1G2, 1G2A. The Junior school had the class names Elements Knights & Warriors; Rudiments Lions & Tigers; 3G Explorers, Pilots & Scouts; and 2G Falcons, Eagles and Hawks. Probably too trivial to include? Tt 225 07:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)tt225
Yes I think the class names changed a bit over the years - I was going to put in all of the various changes and the dates they changed but that might be a bit too much detail. Streaming hasn't been in place since at least the late 80's from looking at the Belvederian.
Up until circa 2008 the below system was in place but this changed
The below system is currently in place from c. 2008 onwards (the details are taken from the website for this part)
I have tagged the article for cleanup. Curtains99 10:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone got a source for this? Curtains99 10:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi St. Kieran's College Kilkenny is the oldest Catholic school in Ireland 1782, there are three other of these schools ( Diocesan Seminary Schools ) next and, the fifth oldest and oldest non seminarian school is Clongowes founded by Fr. Peter Kenny S.J. on Holy Thursday 5th May 1814. Some of the Protestant Schools are hundred of years old some as far back as the 15th Century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willko10 ( talk • contribs) 00:56, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Someone has deleted the Belvedere Crest and motto from the top right hand corner of the page. Is there any way to recover it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.45.167 ( talk) 21:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why it was deleted. It's not great quality and would probably be best to scan in a high resolution version. Curtains99 14:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Is there anything that can be added to the science paragraph? Should we include the names of the students? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.38.46 ( talk) 19:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The article as a whole is pretty good, but when I read it the names of the two students who won the scholarships stuck out like a sore thumb as utter trivia. I don't know the two guys in question and wish them every success, but if their 5 week scholarship is notable enough for inclusion, then by the same token every winner of every medal (Duggan medal, Dempsey medal etc.), every student who has represented the school in international competition, the school captain for 150 years, the lead role in the opera and the play, the captain of JCT and SCT etc., and pupils who won "proper" scholarships to US universities, i.e. scholarships covering their full college careers, all have a claim for inclusion. Those of a certain generation might be interested to know I won a merit card in Elements Knights 30 years ago, but Wikipedia ain't the place to tell them. Tt 225 07:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there someone in the school who continually removes the sections about the school class naming? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.89.58 ( talk) 22:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
This section is a bit rambling. I would suggest that the charitable fundraisers could be placed in their own section. Sure, they stem from the school ethos, but a separate section would classify them as an aspect of school life, like science, sport etc. Tt 225 08:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
Blackboard Jungle ... hardly a sport, and should it be listed at all unless a trivia section is added? Tt 225 08:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Each alumnus needs a source, proving he went to Belvedere. Unsourced alumni will be deleted. 193.1.74.97 12:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Another Past Pupil; including Wiki page entry and Belvo Union 'find a belvederian' entry also - Edward Martyn 1870
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Martyn
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.91.135.100 ( talk) 07:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, having reinstated the citation needed tags, I've then put my money where my mouth is. I've gone through all the names in the "Arts" section and found reputable (I think) citations to show each attended Belvedere, apart from two. Liam O'Flaherty is rumoured to have gone to several schools, but I could find nothing concrete to show he actually went to Belvedere. Tim Pat Coogan probably did but probably doesn't advertise the fact. If someone has his autobiography that'll probably clear it up, but I've left a citation needed tag there nonetheless. Tt 225 ( talk) 23:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Is there anyone who can list the atletics achievements of the school? I notice that it is not represented well on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.139.180 ( talk) 08:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Could someone please confirm that James MacNeill (2nd Govenor-General of the Irish Free State) was a past pupil. I know for a fact he was president of the PPU, so am assuming he was a Past Pupil. Also would anyone know who was the First President of the PPU, cant remember the name, though it was SIR something, possibly worthy of the Alumni list. Also am i correct in saying Richard Bruton went to Belvo, i know John went to Clongowes, but think Richard went to belvo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.139.8 ( talk) 23:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Richard was belvo junior but clongowes senior so both apply —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.183.167 ( talk) 15:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone add Columba Marmion to the famous past pupils section. In fact Im surprised there is no wikipedia article about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.1.229 ( talk) 14:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Ugh, someone vandalised info box... I'd fix it myself but I fail at wikipedia editing :( -- 213.202.189.234 ( talk) 21:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
As a part of the Schools Project trying to pare down the unassessed articles, I am assessing this article for that project.
This article is greatly under-referenced. For a school that is over 150 years old, the history section is not even three lines long. I am also concerned that the article is not written neutrally, and is written too promotionally. Given this, I cannot assess the article beyond the "Start" level.
I am assessing this article as "Mid" importance for the project, though this is provisional. There is a long list of notable alumni, including one of, if not the, most important 20th century writer in the English language, paired with the claim that one of his most important novels was based on his time here. This should be able to promote this article to "High" importance in the project, but lacking sufficient referencing, it needs to stay at Mid importance.
If this article undergoes substantial improvement, please request a reassessment at the school's project. I wish the editors best of luck in improving this article. LonelyBeacon ( talk) 16:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Could somebody add the class names and the names of the years? i.e. Xavier / Rhetoric, 2 Syntax, Grammar etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.134.11.112 ( talk) 08:23, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
See below the year and class naming structures and roughly the years they were used. This needs to be expanded to include the junior school and the dates of the changes etc. Financefactz
Possibly also worthwhile mentioning about the naming system for the Junior Cup C and D rugby teams - the Army and the Navy
Class Name |
Period Used From |
Period Used To |
Named After |
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Xavier | x | Current | Francis Xavier |
Loyola | x | Current | Ignatius Loyola |
Kenney | x | Current | Peter Kenney |
Aylmer | x | Current | Charles Aylmer |
Finlay | x | Current | Thomas A. Finlay |
Scully | x | Current | Father Tom Scully S.J. or else potentially John Scully (Jesuit) |
Dempsey | x | 2006 (was replaced by Scully) | George Dempsey |
Leinster | x | early 2000's with closure of Junior School | Junior School only |
Munster | x | early 2000's with closure of Junior School | Junior School only |
Ulster | x | early 2000's with closure of Junior School | Junior School only |
Connaught | x | early 2000's with closure of Junior School | Junior School only |
Year |
Roman Naming System (used until 2010) |
Updated Roman Naming System |
Comment |
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1st Class | x | - | |
2nd Class | x | - | |
3rd Class | x | - | |
4th Class | x | - | |
5th Class | 3rd Grammar | - | |
6th Class | 2nd Grammar | - | |
1st Year | 1st Grammar | Elements | |
2nd Year | 3rd Syntax | Rudiments | |
3rd Year | 2nd Syntax | Grammar | Junior Certificate |
4th Year | 1st Syntax | Syntax | Transition Year |
5th Year | Poetry | Poetry | |
6th Year | Rhetoric | Rhetoric | Leaving Certificate |
Hello fellow Wikipedians. The general consensus on this talk page is that the history section leaves a lot to be desired. Following this, I have made an appointment to talk to the schools chief archivist and historian. It seems that there are many editors of this page that are or once were pupils of the school and it astounds me that this step hasn't been taken already. I will be sure to keep you all updated and as soon as I have sufficient unbiased information, I will be sure to let you know. Danbisset ( talk) 09:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
I see that a non-member of the project changed the prio, and was properly reverted. Indeed most individual schools are merely Notable (i.e. Low) but input welcome on whether Belvedere might be one of a small number to meet Mid? SeoR ( talk) 19:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)