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Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2022

Change:

"Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a hitter's park when the strong winds off Lake Michigan are blowing out, it becomes more of a pitcher's park when they are blowing in.[133]"

to:

"Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a hitter's park when the winds are blowing out, it becomes more of a pitcher's park when the winds off Lake Michigan are blowing in."

This would then be in agreement with the currently cited source which states "There is the pitcher's park version that occurs when the wind is blowing in off Lake Michigan. / And there is the hitter's haven that happens when the wind blows out." The winds blowing out are not off Lake Michigan.

Stevethk Stevethk ( talk) 00:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply

checkY - Done, but altered slightly to make a bit more sense. Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a pitcher's park when the strong winds off Lake Michigan are blowing in, it becomes more of a hitter's park when they are blowing out. Skipple ☎ 00:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Origins

I'm not sure that it is accurate to say that the origins of baseball are difficult to trace with precision given the existence of a game with the same name and the same rules a early as 1744.

To reference the Wikipedia article on Rounders, the game that was originally called Base-ball:

"Played in England since Tudor times, it is referenced in 1744 in the children's book A Little Pretty Pocket-Book where it was called Base-Ball.[4] "

I suggest that this can be improved by merely cutting to the chase and presenting the "first known mention of the game of baseball... etc." Perhaps I will take a turn at bat and give it a try, as a previous editor has incorrectly identified the game as "bass-ball". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:37:11D6:1:3401:1694:4276:5770 ( talk) 04:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Level 5 vital baseball biographies

Taking a look today at Wikipedia's choice of 55 vital baseball biographies. See here. It struck me that there are some notable exclusions and questionable inclusions. Before proposing any changes, I'd be interested in feedback. Here are some candidates:

Notable exclusions

Name Career WAR [1] SABR 100 [2] Bill
James [3] 		TSN 100 [4] ESPN
100 [5] 		Athletic [6] Comments
Eddie Collins 13 49 18 24 82 29 All-time MLB leader in sacrifice hits and assists at 2B; 10th all time in WAR among position players
Frank Robinson 23 24 24 22 19 20 Only player to be MVP in both AL (1966) and NL (1961); first black manager in MLB
Mike Schmidt 25 16 21 28 18 20 3x NL MVP, 10x Gold Glove, 8x NL HR leader
Lefty Grove 25 33 19 23 54 22 Ranks 6th all time in WAR for pitchers; 2x Triple Crown, 9x AL ERA leader, 7x AL strikeout leader
Albert Pujols 29 na na na 30 23 3x NL MVP; ranks second in MLB history in RBIs (2,217), total bases (6,211), and intentional walks (316), and fourth in home runs (703)
Joe Morgan 31 37 15 60 37 21 2x NL MVP, Bill James ranked him the greatest 2B of all time; ranks 5th in MLB history in walks and 11th in stolen bases
Johnny Bench 83 19 44 16 29 30 2x NL MVP, 10x Gold Glove
Oscar Charleston 341 NR 4 67 53 5 Arguably the greatest player from the Negro leagues; .364 batting average ranks No. 2 all time, trailing only Ty Cobb; Bill James ranks him as the No. 4 baseball player of all time -- ahead of Cobb
Turkey Stearnes 324 25 Ranks 5th in MLB history with a .616 career slugging percentage and 7th with a .348 career batting average; 7× Negro NL HR leader

Questionable inclusions

Name Career WAR SABR 100 Bill
James 		TSN 100 ESPN
100 		Athletic Comments
Jean Faut na na na na na na One of four women included; doubtful in my mind that all four should be included, though I admittedly am not particularly knowledge about women's baseball
Dorothy Kamenshek na na na na na na See comments above re Faut
Sophie Kurys na na na na na na See comments above re Faut
Jackie Mitchell na na na na na na See comments above re Faut
Hideo Nomo NR na NR na NR NR Notable for opening door to MLB for Japanese players, but we have more deserving Japanese players already on the list in Sadaharu Oh and Ichiro Suzuki; questionable as one of the 55 most important players
Shohei Ohtani 836 na NR na NR NR Notable as a two-way player (pitcher and batter) and 2021 AL MVP, but questionable as one of 55 most important players of all time
Roger Maris 593 NR NR NR NR NR Two great seasons in 1960 and 1961 but clearly not one of the 55 most important players of all-time; benefits from Yankees bias on the list
Yogi Berra 195 26 41 40 39 43 Beloved catcher for great Yankees teams but barely makes the top 200 in WAR; benefits from pro-Yankees bias
Shoeless Joe Jackson 167 52 66 35 89 NR Heightened notoriety from Black Sox scandal
Ed Walsh 136 85 NR 82 NR NR Had three great seasons (including a record 60-win season), but doesn't rank in top 55 according to anyone
Charles Radbourn 80 NR NR NR NR NR Doesn't seem to fit in top 55 of all time in any category
Cap Anson 39 NR NR NR 76 NR 39th all-time in WAR is solid, but not ranked in top 100 by SABR, Bill James, or TSN

Thoughts? Cbl62 ( talk) 04:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Cbl62 ( talk) 04:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Career WAR leaders from Baseball-Reference
  2. ^ SABR's 100 Greatest Baseball Players, 1999
  3. ^ Bill James Top 100
  4. ^ Baseball's 100 Greatest Players, The Sporting News, 1998
  5. ^ ESPN's Top 100 MLB players of all time, 2022
  6. ^ The Baseball 100 by The Athletic, 2019
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