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Population has been added. Even though it is not recognized as an official metroplex , the current population of the entire norther virginia, DC, Maryland, Baltimore area is roughly 8 million.
This article is missing one very important figure... The population! newkai 10:40, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Should Southern Pennsylvania be added to the region? There are subvisions/developments going up in Adams County, York County, and Franklin County that are being billed as bedroom communities for Washington and/or Baltimore. [1] Carter 12:23, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Valid question, but I was under the impression that these new communities were being billed as bedroom communities for baltimore; not for washington. A four hour daily commute? yeesh.
It can't technically be added until the feds decide to include it. I believe the numbers cross-over commuting has to range close to 10% of the total population, or something like that. My guess is that south central PA will eventually be included, increasing the entire area's population by about 600,000. MarioSmario — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioSmario ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Is " central city" a defined term? Why is Hagerstown one but not Frederick, which is larger? What does "acts as a central city" mean? Tuf-Kat 20:01, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
Tuf-Kat: Central City is defined here: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cob/ma_metadata.html#cc I think the basic idea is that Frederick is within the Wash/Balt area, while Hagerstown is outside of it. My own interpretation on this: People residing some distance outside of Hagerstown may be likely to commute there, while people residing similar distances outside (or even within) Frederick may be more likely to work in DC or Baltimore than Frederick itself.
According to the latest census OMB version (
[2]), this Metropolitan Area no longer exists. Baltimore, Washington, and Hagerstown now each have their own Metropolitan Statistical Area.
john
k 14:52, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
No, it's a Combined Statistical Area, at least officially. It doesn't make any sense to use old census definitions. We should use the new census definitions, which define the two as in separate metropolitan areas, but combine those metropolitan areas into a so-called "Combined Statistical Area." It is not as though the old definitions have some particular sort of logical sense to them that means we should use them forever - as a native of the region, I certainly always considered Baltimore to be a separate metropolitan area, and I still think it's absurd that Fredericksburg is supposedly in the same metro area as where I grew up. john k 04:32, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The term is widely used, but what does it mean? Does it mean the old Washington-Baltimore CMSA, or the current Washington-Baltimore CSA? Or something else entirely? I've suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities creating a new wikiproject for US metropolitan areas, which are currently in a terrible state, so that we can perhaps hash this out. john k 04:52, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just as an example, Hagerstown, Maryland, was in the old Washington-Baltimore CMSA, but not the Washington-Baltimore CSA. Also, it should be noted that the latter specifically does not describe itself as a metropolitan area. john k 05:02, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The government may define these counties as part of the metro area, but the relationship for a number of them are strained.
RESPONSE: I think the basis for including some of the outer counties that you're probably talking about is that there are a significant # of daily commuters from those places to Wash/Balt or their suburbs. Don't forget the long distances traversed by MARC and VRE riders!
What is this complete idiocy: "and the mainframe that contains the master list of all Internet E-mail addresses" huh? It's not a mainframe (it's a Unix server) and it contains the master DNS list, not email addresses!
I feel this list makes the article deceptively longer than it really is and isn't necessary. It should either be moved to its own article ( List of Cities in the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area) or simply deleted. -- tomf688( talk) 01:54, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be some a contridiction of the status of King George County. The King George County page indicates that King George County is NOT a part of the Washington-Baltimore Metropolitan Area. Yet, according to the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area page, it is.
This also brings to light a local controversey regarding King George County and whether or not it is part of the Northern Neck of Virginia. Historically, King George County has been included as part of the Northern Neck. The Northern Neck Tourism Council website lists locations in King George County amongst its historical sites and museums, and the King George County Homepage labels the county as the "Gateway to the Historic Northern Neck". I was educated in Northumberland County, Virginia, and this is what we were taught during our segment on local history for 11th grade US History, that there are FIVE counties in the Northern Neck, including King George County.
However, until 11th grade, I had always grown up under the assumption that the Northern Neck consisted of only four counties: Northumberland, Lancaster, Westmoreland, and Richmond counties. Locals think of the Northern Neck more as a community with similar values and interests, rather than a geographical area. King George county is considered to be "suburban", part of the Washington DC urban sprawl and therefore doesn't share the same community interests as the rest of the Northern Neck.
This article from the Fredericksburg Free-Lance Star highlights both sides of the King George debate.
The inclusion of King George County as part of the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area stems from three facts: King George's proximity to Fredericksburg, its inclusion in the Washington DC media market, and the presence of the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Dahlgren. However, the historical connections between King George County and the Northern Neck shouldn't be dismissed. It wouldn't be inappropriate to consider King George County as part of both, as Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area seems to be a statistical category, while the Northern Neck is a historical/geographical region.
I have also added this discussion to the pages on both King George County and the Northern Neck. -- Goosedoggy 23:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
So, uh, why was this moved back? There is no specific, defined area called the "Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area," therefore it should not be capitalized, because it's not a proper noun - it's a general concept. If we're going to capitalize the specific name of the Census area, we're going to have to spell the whole thing out. See New York metropolitan area. FCYTravis 00:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
This logic doesn't hold water: if we follow it then things like John's House, etc. will have to be capitalized, since they refer to specific objects. In reality, the proper nouns are names of the objects, and not simply references to specific objects. So Baltimore and Washington are proper nouns (they are names of the cities), while Baltimore–Washington metropolitan area is just a reference to an area (not its official name!) – which just happens to include city names (which are the only two words that should be capitalized). This is the same way as John's house is the proper capitalization in my initial example. cherkash ( talk) 18:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Why do the two maps on the page include different counties in the metro area? I.e. Washington Couty, MD is included in the second map but not in the first? What definition are we using and shouldn't the maps reflect this? -- דוד ♣ D Monack 01:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
The page United States metropolitan area ranks the 25 largest in America. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria is seventh, and Baltimore-Towson is twentieth. It lists Washington as part of the "Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area (now defunct)." If it's true that Washington and Baltimore are no longer considered to form one metropolitan area, maybe that should be addressed on this page. Just letting you guys know.– Clpalmore
The official name of the CSA is "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia". Why not make that the page title, so as to conform with the actual name, then forward anyone who searches for either "Washington-Baltimore" or "Baltimore-Washington" to that?
The justification given earlier, that this “Baltimore-Washington” construct is an ill-defined animal different from the official CSA, doesn’t hold water considering the entire rest of the article concerns the CSA. If the writers feel “Baltimore-Washington” is truly different than the “Washington-Baltimore-NoVa” CSA, then the two constructs should have different articles with a clear explanation as to the difference.
Short of that, insisting on calling what everyone else in the country, including those in charge of actually coming up with official names, calls Washington-Baltimore, strikes me as silly provincialism on the part of somebody in Baltimore who’s trying to compensate for a sense of inferiority.
this is too funny. I was born in washington and lived in the washington suburbs my entire life. the vernacular term, colloquially, had always been "baltimore-washington." the official name was changed to the Washington Baltimore combined statistical area sometime ago (15 years or so?), yet, the general term is still "baltimore-washington," and is used as such when spoken of outside the region. now, this may no longer be true inside the washington area, but the declarations of a baltimorean "sense of inferiority" is killing me. I love watching these two cities bite and claw at each other.
It's based on who's commuting where and how many. There's a reason why it's not called the Washington, DC/Baltimore/Suburban Maryland area. Northern Virginia and the District share the majority of jobs. Virginia has 20 Fortune 500 companies (according to Forbes, whereas Maryland has only 4, the smallest number in the entire Northeast). One of the reasons why the Feds switched the name from the Baltimore/DC area to the Washington/Arlington/Alexandria area is because virtually no one from the DC area is commuting into Baltimore area for jobs. I personally know more people who live in the city of Baltimore who commute into NOVA than the number of DC/MD suburbanites who commute into the Baltimore area. Fairfax County alone has more jobs than the entire state of Maryland--that's according to Fortune Magazine also. --MarioSmario — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioSmario ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
It really makes no sense to have an article on this area and another on the Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA. The latter article should be collapsed into the former article. Blueboy96 06:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Now, if your argument was that there is no reason that there should be two separate articles for the Baltimore-Washington area and the Washington-Baltimore Consolidated Statistical Area, you might have a good point; but the proposal to join the two articles pointed to the wrong articles... one on the Baltimore-Washington Area and the other on the Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV "Metropolitan Statistical Area." These are two completely different things and the Washington MSA does not even include Baltimore or any of the 2.6 million people who actually live in the Baltimore-Towson Metropolitan Statistical Area.
MY Opinion:
I clearly belive that Maryland/Virginia are southern states!
Many People object to the idea of Virginia and Maryland being southern. Im from Maryland so I know. I hate it when people that don't know me come in my face with all that "yankee" crap...i aint no yankee...im myself! And I absolutly HATE when people say that VA an MD are rude, inconciterate, uneducated, boring, bad drivers. Im fun, nice, and filled with GREAT hospitality.
Next Subject: Civil war/M&D line.
If everyone knows that MD and VA are BELOW the Mason Dixon Line... why do some people feel the need to say that MD and VA are Northern????
It's quite -how can i say- IDIOTIC! Yes, folks, I know that the MDL was not made to divide the north and the south, but It's pretty usefull to divide the two. Doncha think???...About the civil war...VA was apart of the confeds...i can't lie, BUT MD was FORSED to become apart of the union and most of the people wanted to be with the feds.(yuddah im sayin)...So anyways, like i was sayin, VA & MD are natrually South.
Subject 3: MD.
Everyone knows that MD is not like the rest of the southern states-no accent(mostly), not many confed. flags, has northern-like cities, bad traffic etc.- but it is still SOUTHERN.
I mean dang, like many other southern states, we take pride in are lil southerness, we sometimes act a lil country, and we still TALK diffrent from the north...esspecially Dc/B-more area. CUT US SOME SLACK!
Final Subject: Overall.
Over all, Maryland and Virginia are southern!
They have many southern charms too. Infact, we have great hospitaliy too! Don't worry, be happy. Even if your mad, you HAVE TO admit that maryland and virginia are atleast a TAD BIT southern. YEs, YEs, YEs, we do have many qualities like the north(aka bad traffic...lol), But you must admit(if youve been too maryland and virginia...NOT B-MORE or DC)that it is southern in some areas!
ps. dont post nasty negitive comments about Virginia or Maryland..okedoke allipokey...lolz
ps no 2. IF you ask a man at a gas station in Southern, MD.... you'll know that chu in the south. - Footballchik
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Today (Jan. 17 07) I created the Baltimore Metropolitan Area page. I also re-linked the MSA-rank list. I'm sure there are numerous articles that mention the Baltimore area that should be linked to this new (and certainly unfinished) page. Thomasmallen 15:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Can has square miles, plzkthx? 65.111.84.210 ( talk) 00:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The lists given in this topic are not selected according to a well-defined rule: not all are Cities, several are unincorporated, and the inclusion on the list does not reflect their population. Tedickey ( talk) 13:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I think there needs to be a clarification in the article title. At current, there are two different ideas that are being expressed in this article. One concept is a bureaucratic designation by the Office of Management and Budget regarding the Combined Statistical Area known as "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia". The other concept is the natural-language, colloquial meaning of the "Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area".
My main issue is that the Baltimore-Washington (Metropolitan) Area, as the term is used in everyday language, refers to the area Maryland between DC and Baltimore and not to this megapolitan CSA designated by the OMB. It is for this reason that the OMB titled the statistical area "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia" just so it would not be confused with the colloquial meaning of the term "Baltimore-Washington Area".
The main problem with calling this article "Baltimore-Washington Area" is that the cities and counties of Northern Virginia and the northern counties outside Baltimore are almost never included within the natural-language meaning of the term. In fact, a search of those counties and "Baltimore Washington" turned up almost no results that weren't from web pages that had simply copied this article, or in reference to BWI Airport.
I would like suggestions as to how to appropriately title the article. Most other CSAs have been titled as the "Greater (Insert Main City Here) Area". We obviously have a problem in that there is no single main city and that the suburban counties are in fact much larger than either DC or Baltimore. I do believe that "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV Combined Statistical Area" is a bit long, but perhaps abbreviating the title would be acceptable as in "Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia CSA". Thoughts? Best, epicAdam( talk) 19:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
This article is now categorized as mid importance within WikiProject United States. Some of the constituent cities are important, but knowing all the highways through Baltimore is not crucial to understanding the United States. Lagrange613 ( talk) 16:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there any intent to add a Demographics section to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.251.74 ( talk) 13:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
As of February 2013 the OMB has changed the delineation of the Balt-Wash Metro Area. I plan to update the article to reflect this, but it'll probably take some time. 007bond ( talk) 06:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Needed---a map including such changes. The CSA is new to Pennsylvania. Heff01 ( talk) 06:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
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As of September 4, 2018, the definition for the CSA has changed a bit.
— The Baltimore-Washington CSA is now called the Washington-Baltimore CSA. — Madison County VA has been added to the DC MSA, which means it is now a part of Northern Virginia. — Morgan County WV has been reinstated into the Hagerstown-Martinsburg MSA. — The Cambridge μSA left the Washington-Baltimore CSA. — The DC MSA no longer borders the Richmond MSA via Caroline County; that county has been removed from the Richmond MSA and is no longer part of any Metropolitan or Micropolitan area.
Information in a lot of articles will have to be updated, making these changes a big project.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf
…here's a map if you need to visualize it. https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/metroarea/us_wall/Sep2018/CSA_WallMap_Sep2018.pdf?# — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14A:4600:FDA:59BA:A0C7:3F99:AAFF ( talk) 04:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Baltimore–Washington metropolitan area.
The section on principal cities (which has a specific meaning) has grown into a list of every minor town and CDP which some editors feel ought to be more prominent than OMB documents. Starting by repairing the link-rot and pruning the list to what's actually in the WP:RS seems reasonable. TEDickey ( talk) 19:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)