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From the
"Good Roads Year Book", 1912-1917 (1913 has some missing pages; 1917 has history of some major ones, but does not list all minor ones). A few of these may have been simply good roads organizations without a trail (such as the Central Colorado Highway Association).
There needs to be citations that demonstrate the verifiability of this article. While "auto trail" sounds quaint and suitably of its age, this article veers entirely too close to sounding like
original research. Please cite sources. • Freechild'sup? 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I don't think there's any name that's more common than any other, since these were not regulated in most states. Several contemporary map companies used "auto trail":
[3][4][5][6] Another company used "trail":
[7] --
NE2 20:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Not Original Research. This article needs more references. The authors of this entry are utilizing a body of scholarship about America's early love with the automobile with which I am personally familiar. I'll add some references in here in a few weeks, but I'm off to present a paper about the archaeological remains of the
Arrowhead Trail, a historic auto trail in california, nevada, and utah, in the historic trails section of the Nevada-Arizona history convention. Will post again in a couple weeks once the semester ends!
Bwilreker (
talk) 20:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)reply
I just added the trails from the 1923 GM Co Map that is on the DOT website. I have a colored version of this map and the full title is "Mileage Map of the Transcontinental Trails of the United States Showing best road - road distances - principal cities." There is no date on this map. Only "Copyrighted The G M Co All Rights Reserved." I would be glad to send a copy of the map to anyone interested as with that date, unless we can prove that it was published earlier, it would not yet be in the public domain. So, they are clearly called "Trails." The legend calls the routes Highway, Trail, Route, Road. The 1923 map has a couple of new/different trails, Kings Transcontinental Hwy, Lone Star Trail.
Lrsears (
talk) 01:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
For descriptions of Iowa's auto trails registered with the Iowa Highway Commission during the 1910s-1920s, as well as details about some of Iowa's nonregistered routes, visit the Iowa Department of Transportaton's Historic Auto Trails Web site at:
[14]. Original registration documents are available online, as well as sign images and other resources. Source: Iowa DOT's Office of Media and Marketing Services
shouldn't this also have a list of Interstates that approximate these first highways?
70.24.246.151 (
talk) 06:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The early Interstate system incorporated U.S. Highways, which were developed from these trails. It would be logical to list the U.S. Routes which became associated with portions of the original trails, even though many of the original U.S. Highway designations are superceded. To add Interstate associations may make this article overburdened with additional links. It already has a need for improvement especially in the supplementary links and source information.
Refiner (
talk) 11:27, 1 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Malone?
I remember reading a newspaper archive stating the Malone-Montreal (or Montreal-Malone) Highway as the first auto road between Montreal and New York State. So if this is the case, would it be an auto trail? IIRC, the newspaper was from the teens. There's still a stretch of roadway in Quebec called the "Old Malone Highway".
70.24.246.151 (
talk) 06:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Old Oregon Trail Western Terminus
I am quite familiar with portions of this route since I have lived near the western terminus. I don't recall it ever including a link to Olympia, Washington. Rather than just editing it out, I would like to research for any sources referencing this location. I do know that the Old Oregon Auto Trail does roughly follow U.S. 30 from Idaho through the Columbia Gorge to Portland, Oregon and out to Astoria. It is possible that it may have included a portion which became U.S. 101 crossing the Columbia River to Ilwaco, Washington. This is from personal experience and needs source information before incorporating into the article. Due to the age of the Astoria Bridge, this segment is unlikely, and any ferry route is much farther inland from the bridge location due to the dangerous river currents. If I can locate source information, I would like to write the supplemental page for this trail (or assist another author in its creation and development).
Refiner (
talk) 11:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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To not merge, given that the topics are sufficiently distinct and that readers are best served by the current structure. Renaming was floated as an idea, but with no specific proposal; discussion stale.
Klbrain (
talk) 18:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)reply
There is significant overlap with these pages. I have no preference to which article should be merged into which, but I feel like one article here is better than two. –
Fredddie™ 06:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose - They are two separate topics and should be separate articles. Historic Trails deals with trails/paths related to foot or non-mechanized migration or purposeful travel from one location to another. Some historic trails later developed into roads but most faded away as their purpose waned. Auto Trails are different in that they deal with mostly leisure auto travel connecting one location to another. They existed at a time when auto touring was increasing and motorists needed a way to travel long distances. It was well after most historic trails had been discontinued. Combining the articles would make it appear that they are a continuation of one another but in addition to having different purposes, they existed at different times.
Dbroer (
talk) 15:34, 3 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Dbroer's reasoning. We need to differentiate roads and trails of the automobile era from those of the pre-automobile era, just as we need to differentiate turnpikes of the automobile era (like the
Pennsylvania Turnpike) from those of the pre-automobile era. I suggest changing the title of the "Historic trails and roads in the United States" article to clarify, but I am not sure the best way to do that. We might need to further differentiate between trails that were just dirt paths hacked through flora from roads engineered like the Roman roads, such as the
National Road or the various pre-automobile turnpikes. VC 15:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose, per above.
Libcub (
talk) 02:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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