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Hi Athlone fans. I have a context question: What are the 'visible ruins' mentioned in the Athlone page?
Also, I broke the link to 'John Grey'; none of the John Greys listed seem to be the 'Justisar' mentioned in the page.
Why is the castle called 'Adamson's Castle'; I don't mention it in my editing of the page, because I know nothing of the history or who Adamson may have been. We need Turloch O. in here to give us a better interpretation of the History.
The page is mirrored at least 18 times on the web, demonstrating how starved for Athlone history we are. So, any chance of a real scholar of history plonking some good information in here. Us amateurs can only do so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.80.64.236 ( talk) 00:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
This entire section was removed for being a copyright violation from [1]. howch e ng { chat} 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
The large blank space looked strange; I moved the photo of the Abbey to the middle of the history block and the text now fills up to the top of the History section. A few literature citations would not go amiss in here. Also, It would be nice to have some confirmed history of the Abbey in there (photo is fine, but not referenced in the text; OK, I admit I added the photo, but I was hoping somone would plop in some Abbey history) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmccabe ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
While the climate statistics have been correctly taken from the 'Yahoo Weather' site they cannot possibly be correct! ( Sarah777 22:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC))
For a more accurate picture check met eireann (The National Meteorological Service) at www.met.ie Mullingar is the nearest place there are figures for and it is completly different to the info on the page.
P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.223.185 ( talk) 12:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Since when is Kilbeggan further away than Mullingar? 15 miles closer by my mileometer. The weather station is there on the roadside. Stop posting crap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.40.226 ( talk) 23:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.223.185 ( talk) 14:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Figures for population are higher if the total rural populations are included bring the rural population to over 30,000 as per census information 2006. Figures look skewed as actual town boundary is tiny proportionate to the size of the area the town has expanded into.
p — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.223.185 ( talk) 12:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Athlone has a population of 48,566 according to the Introduction? More like 17,500-18,000 (including contiguous rural district) surely? Gratedparmesan 12:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes - I didn't put in that crazy figure of 48,566 - it's closer to 17 or 18,000 (officially) including the 2 nearest rural districts as you said, but people keep changing it so I'm not bothering anymore.
P there is definitely around 48566 people here. especially outside of the urban area(the town in itself). Coosan and Monksland are full of people and they are all in the Athlone area. not to mention Kiltoom Anto 21:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article repeatedly declaring Athlone as a smaller town than Mullingar which clearly if the writer knew anything is false. I've updated this but it's been reset consistently to say this regardless of how I explain it. Athlone's population of 17,544 according to the 2006 census is exclusively the population according to the UDC boundary. To put this boundary into perspective this doesn't include anything west of the old canal (Monksland ~5k), or east of the Bonavalley bridge (AIT,Willow,Retreat Rd,Blyry Ind Est. etc ~10k+).Those of you who have been to Athlone may be suprised this Bonavalley bridge is almost a full 3km of houses/apartments into the town beyond the Kilmartin centre. Mullingar's boundary in contrast covers 18,500 of a population in the low 20s. This article should surely reflect the true size of the town even though Mullingar's 'boundary' population is a larger figure. All you have to do is travel to the two towns to realise the difference. This article mentions nothing of Athlone's potential city status either. I'd consider making a change but people seem to love resetting it.
Btw whoever said 48566 is crazy. Those must be the people mentioned considering Moate part of Athlone lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.203.192 ( talk) 03:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Am I wrong to believe that broadcasting in Moydrum, Athlone started several years before the stated 1931?
I have an account (just that an account) that the concrete piles that do (verified) exist there was for a BBC Service to the American colonies. Civil War and Independence put short shrift to that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.12.202 ( talk) 23:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
removed one post from above which was unduly offensive. An honest inquiry is not disgusting ignorance.
Sean O'Casaidhe 12:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Also removed an incorrect translation of "Ath Luain" or alternatively, "The Ford of the Moon"
"Moon" in gaelic is "gealach". Gaelic is not a romanesque language and thus "Luain" is not derived from 'Luna'.
Sean O'Casaidhe 12:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, so I'm not a historian, but I am from Athlone, born and bred, and I am very interested in the history of my native town, and i have never, ever, ever heard or read of any theory that "Ath Luain" has anything to do with the moon. 85.18.190.152 14:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Athá means 'Ford' or 'Crossing Point'. and Luain was supposedly the name of the founder of the town (Luain's Inn, now Seans Bar) but local historians now suggest that Luain means moon. It was the first thing they taught us in primary school, the name of Athlone. Let only people from Athlone edit this page as no one elses has a clue! as the locasl say 'state of dis like!' Anto 21:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Anto, what local historians? Info PLEASE! If there's a change in ideas I'd love to read up on it! BTW, pls don't use blasphemy on Wikipedia - I don't care, but there's no need to offend others more devout than us. Sean O'Casaidhe 10:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The piece begining "the idea was mooted..." did at one point refer to a passage describing an historic plan to make Athlone the capital of Ireland. The passage was deleted at some point and the remaining piece makes no sense as written. I dont know if the deletion was part of the serial editing war that waged here for a while, but it might be worth resurrecting, or rewriting the remaining piece. Any thoughts? Dmccabe 04:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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I took out an article that was injected at the top of the page referring to the idea of a midlands airport near Horseleap and listing a shedload of local VIPs. This article is also present in the entry for Horseleap. Sean O'Casaidhe 17:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't have much problem with them. If only our elected officials were so responsive :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.40.226 ( talk) 23:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I think this is more suited to the Midlands Gateway page than the Athlone page? I don't think duplication is necessary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 1-555-confide ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC).
Does anyone know how the name of Athlone came to be applied to an area in Cape Town, South Africa (during the apartheid years)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Londondee ( talk • contribs) 09:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
Named for Alexander Cambridge, 1st Earl of Athlone wo was the Gov. General of the Union of South Africa at the time. Dmccabe 04:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Removed Unreferenced tag, simply because the article is in commendable shape in terms of being easily verifiable elsewhere on Wikipedia through links. Nothing that a few fact tags would not mend, if such be the case that it is in need of more references. C.J. 19:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I had to remove this contribution because it is original research.
"Also the algae levels in the Shannon and Lough Ree is atrocious and is a huge problem."
Yes, there is a place for this in the article, but you have to follow Wikipedia rules. Have a look at this page if you're not sure what O.R. is: Wikipedia:No original research
The other contributions in this paragraph are also O.R.
"The proposed abstraction of water from Lough Ree could lead to an ecological, environmental and economic disaster. There is little by way of forethought on this issue."
It expresses an opinion, without any references or data to back it up. And to say that there is little forethought is of course subjective. If you can find a quote of somebody saying this, then you can reference that, but otherwise it's O.R. and will have to be removed. Have a look for online articles on the subject and quote or reference them; I'll leave it up for the moment, but if it isn't brought into line soon it'll have to be removed. Sorry :-) Warchef 09:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The "Current Issues" section has now been removed. If anyone wants to re-instate the issues raised with references and presented in an objective fashion, please feel free to do so Warchef 21:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I posted that and it is a real issue!!!! the water is atrocious here and awareness needs to be raised!! as well as that, arses in dublin are trying to steal our water from the lake!! allow that to be reposted!!! you have no idea how bad it is, you have never seen it up close, yu have never even been on Lough Ree or in Athlone. Anto 21:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Jeanne dArc, could you please state why you think the neutrality of this article is in question so improvements can be made..... Fossiliferous 16:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is this "neutrality" being disputed? I don't see the grounds??? Sean O'Casaidhe 10:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
What school goes to Menden? Anto ( talk) 16:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
We need to help this article Coosan. Zu Anto 13:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
FYI. I recently changed the pop census numbers to reflect the actual CSO numbers. The previous number (17,544) was inappropriate for two reasons. Firstly it was a "cyclical reference" to a Wikipedia article. (We shouldn't use other articles as references). And secondly, it was wrong. The census numbers for Athlone are as below. No reason this article shouldn't reflect these:
'02 '06 003 Athlone East Rural 6433 6804 001 Athlone West Rural 2262 3114 001 Athlone East Urban 4092 4096 002 Athlone West Urban 3262 2874
This totals just under ~17k in total. Not 17.5k. Cheers. Guliolopez ( talk) 11:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.217.114 ( talk) 14:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I would agree except for the fact that the CSO figures don't actually cover the entire town. Coosan? Monksland? I could go on. It's funny that the article reads Mullingar as being a larger town than Athlone when it clearly isn't nor never has been. All you have to do is drive through the two towns to see this. The official stats are the official stats which is perfectly fine but the article should reflect the reality of the situation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.217.114 ( talk • contribs)
Coosan does not fall under East Rural - only some of the housing estates (Clonbrusk etc). Everything south and just north of the M6 doesn't count as Coosan. Coosan goes as far as the lake. You should take a look at 2006's official boundaries file. Its available as an open download. Danesfort, Woodgrange, Kilmartins, everything north of Coosan church, a big chunk of west & north monksland and not to mention the 3-4k students that live there during the week who fall under a different census region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.217.114 ( talk) 15:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need to split the population into "town" and "environs"; it is a pretty meaningless distinction and removes clarity. The CSO table defines the total population of the urban areas. We should stick to that. Sarah777 ( talk) 16:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't necessary think population is the best judge of the actual size of a town. Issues such as precise boundaries & commuter populations are always going to be a problem. Lucan for ex. is 35k people yet only a village. Lucan isn't bigger than Drogheda or Kilkenny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.217.114 ( talk) 16:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The link used to state that Seans Pub is in fact not the oldest bar in Ireland is an april fools joke and cannot be used to verify anything. For reference http://www.irelandlogue.com/craic/seans-bar-not-actually-the-oldest-pub-in-ireland.html Mremeralddragon ( Talk) 10:42, 18 September 2009 (GMT)
The article is actually the spoof....look at the date of publication! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.2.240 ( talk) 01:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
This link has been removed several times by myself and previously by other users. It is repeatedly being added to the article again and again. The link goes to a site that does not serve any purpose in relation to the article other than pointless and shameless promotion of the site. The argument that the users of the site contributed to the article thereby making the link a valid external link is not in any way a valid argument to make. By that logic I could put up personal links on the article as well.
The person doing this also tried hunting down my identity online and attempted to put this on my user page. Such actions are despicable and show that the entire endeavour is a personal issue for them and shows that they are not making edits in line with Wikipedia guidelines. Mremeralddragon ( Talk) 10:01, 22 December 2009 (GMT)
It is not self-pomotional, as the site is owned and maintained by the people of Athlone, as clearly detailed on the site itself. It shares the same ethos as Wikipedia itself, soliciting user-contributions and is non-profit. It also has no advertising.
Casual browsers have come to the site via Wikipedia and found old colleagues, tourist information and renewed friendships. As such it is a service and a welcome one. Why is there a problem with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnjbeehan ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Which I understand and agree with. You will however notice that the forum is but one part of the site, and there is other reference information pertinant to Athlone (the subject of the wiki article) which merits it's inclusion.
Have you read the About page on athlonelive.com? You will see it was started because freedom of expression was suppressed on another website. It would be a shame to see Wikipedia make a similar error in judgement.
Let me give you just one example of the value of athlonelive.com. On November 1st, 2006 this video was published - http://www.athlonelive.com/forum/uploaded/BeechPark/402_30.wmv It was not available on the internet prior to this date, and has since been copied and spread around the web. It is significant not just to Athlone, but to the whole of Ireland. Would you deny Wikipedia visitors the freedom to discover such gems? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnjbeehan ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I would argue that the Athlonelive discussion forum is far from typical. There is a fair bit of 'typical' discussion content, but there is also an extensive discussion of history, military ties in the town, sports, and politics. I'd suggest leaving the link in place and soliciting input and consensus here. If it is the consensus that the link devalues the Athlone page, then it goes, if it adds value then it stays. This should not come down to which user has more time and energy to participate in the edit war. I will not do so. I put the link in once, and will be bound by whatever consensus builds here. All the best Dmccabe ( talk) 20:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Define non-official please. You may not see content, but I pointed out one hugely significant example in my paragraph above. But is it really your perogotive that no one else can be allowed the luxury of such an evaluation? As for harassment, that's a pity, but I'm not sure the person being harassed has informed you of his attempts to create a rival website locally and is rather disgruntled. Johnjbeehan ( talk) 21:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I move to-reinstate the link, as has been the case for the past number of years, and if there is any issue that needs to be addressed or clarified we can do so here, now that we have this discussion open and active. This is in keeping with the values of Wikipedia and we should respect those. Since the link has generated no negtive impact for anyone, let's put it back and solve our differences without resorting to censorship. Johnjbeehan ( talk) 21:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys I think this is a silly arguement. The link to athlonelive.com is an important historical link if only for the fact that lots of historical data on the town and the people there are shared by the community. It needs to stay as does anything else that would help people researching the town. Its a moot point anyway because if you look at Galway or Ballinasloe or Dublin for that matter links such as these are common and removing them in a unjustified manner is childish. - Jeffery —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefferysreid ( talk • contribs) 09:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Several links of historical and community information directly related to this article keep getting removed by over zealous folks. Strange part is that the chamber of commerce site is the only one they seem comfortable with leaving up. This despite the fact that there is plenty of historical president for just about any other town in Ireland who have similar links in their articles. I cant imagine that historical precedence doesn't come in to play here as the Wikipedia community as a whole has per my examples used links such as these exactly the way they were being used, for examples see Ballinasloe, Galway, Dublin or Limerick.
I call shenanigans on this and the people doing it.
Received this in talk....
I have reverted your addition of several websites. You should read What Wikipedia is not and external links. Wikipedia is not a linkfarm, a tourist guide, a business directory etc, and not free webspace. The presence of similar links elsewhere does not alter that. Mr Stephen (talk) 12:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I replied...
Per your change of my changes on Athlone. Per the article What Wikipedia is not, please read the section Wikipedia is Not a Bureaucracy. The links to Athlonelive.com and the rest are all historically important to the topic and do not fit into the article as a whole. This isn't spam and its not dropping links willy nilly in the article. Lots of great info about parts of the town can be found at each of those links but do not fall into the article itself. If in fact you truly believed that your argument held water then you would also remove the chamber of commerce link at the bottom. However that link seems to remain? Jefferysreid ( talk) 20:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
How tall are the masts of Athlone transmitter? Are these still the masts from 1933? Is the antenna a T-antenna? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.163.68 ( talk) 22:46, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
There is no official capital of the midlands. For any town to claim such is disingenuous and it is a disservice to an encyclopedic article. Any individual issues as who's town is better should be left out of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.148.8 ( talk) 00:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the "social issues" section really needs to be here. It fails under Weight and Relevance in my opinion. Most other town articles don't have this section. -- HighKing ( talk) 14:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
I think this sentence is misleading: 'The study revealed many residents had used heroin by their 18th birthday'. Many residents of where? The whole town - or some districts? The sentence is not clear, and certainly not accurate with regard to the town as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.125.18.126 ( talk) 21:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
The pic in the infobox shows "Athlone Cathedral" which look a pretty substantial building, but it isn't mentioned in the article, or anywhere else on WP. Any explanation? Tigerboy1966 05:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I see the statement "Irish: Baile Átha Luain, meaning "town of Luan's ford" ", but does not "Luan" mean "moon" in Irish? Was there someone named "Luan" for which the castle/town was named? It seems that there either must be more of a story behind the name, or there is an incomplete translation (or possibly both). Kibi78704 ( talk) 15:01, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I have inserted a picture of the "St Peter and Paul Catholic Church" in the article approximately 2 or 3 years ago. I realised only recently that a user had changed "St" to SS" in the description and I reverted to "St" recently. 2 users are insisting for "SS" to be used instead of "St" as an abbreviation for "Saint".
I personally dislike the use of "SS" but this is not the point here. If the users insisting to replace the "St" by "SS" under my photo, so they should insist for the same throughout the article. Why are they insisting for the abbreviation "SS" to be used under my photo only?? Vandalism? personal attack?
Please give your motive here prior to edit the article. Thank you -- Christophe Krief ( talk) 12:00, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
If you refer to the church website, you will find that the term "Ss" is only used in the logo, while it is carefully replaced by either "Saints Peter and Paul" or St Peter and St Paul" in all other descriptions. -- Christophe Krief ( talk) 12:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
( talk) "Ss" is of better taste than your previous "SS", however, you should match the church publications where the abbreviation "Ss" is never used. Creating an amalgam between SS and Saints should be avoided when possible. -- Christophe Krief ( talk) 10:21, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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It's translated as "A city stands by its laws". But the Latin is plural, so it should really be "Cities stand by their laws". I hesitate to change it, though, since the current translation may be the official one. Does anyone know? Markcymru ( talk) 07:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
AIT-LIT Consortium will need a better title at some point. Bogger ( talk) 11:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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