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This will be my working version for the main page, just to keep everything nice. -- metta, The Sunborn ☸ 01:21, 1 October 2004 (UTC)
-- metta, The Sunborn ☸ 01:21, 1 October 2004 (UTC)
This smells of poisoning the well to me.
-- Christopherlin 02:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Considering of the originally 3 statements made by Christopherlin, none have been resolved; and that not http://www.thetrog.com/mmohair/mmohair.html nor http://dunamai.com/ are credible, NPOV sources, (they should be viewed by those on this talk page) this article should definately retain its NPOV status. The article concerns John Kerry a little too much. Although the fact that he voted against the Newdow verdict should be included (and is sited very well), remember the article is about the Organization American Atheists, not Madalyn Murray O'Hair or John Kerry. Concentration on what the group has done, in terms of marches, fundraisers, protests, lawsuits, etc. would be much more apporpriate for such an article. 須藤 14:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
From the article :
William Murray has contradicted his mother (and some would say himself)
Who says this? What are their names? Is there a source for these comments? Serenaacw 02:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
No mention is made of Jon and Robin before the statement that they disappeared in the article. Who are they? blahpers 18:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
People change. That’s okay. Just like someone raised in a religious family might become an atheist, someone raised in a nonreligious family might get religion. That’s okay, that should be accepted. From William’s book, he really did struggle with a drinking problem, and he also had unhappy relationships. What he didn’t talk about, and which later struck me as significant, was that the 1970s was a flat period economically (significant downturns at the very least in ’73 and ’75). So, many talented young people with a lot to offer, may have struggled to get jobs, and may have blamed themselves for lack of success. And this can make other areas of your life more difficult. And plus, although we might look at these kinds of reasons, what religion means to him intellectually, and in the heart, should not be discounted. If we’re really to have a conversation, we must strive to really listen, even if it seems like we’re heard it all before, and that’s the hardest part (or be willing to make such effort for someone we really care about).
Madalyn was pretty hardcore ideologically. I don’t know if I would have liked to live with her. Even if he was rebelling, that’s okay. It sounds like she may not have been with him at times he needed her. Or she took too much just the intellectual aspect of life, to the exclusion of the emotional aspect and everything else.
(For parents who don’t think much of religion, I think a good way is to kind of innoculate your kids. Go with them to visit a variety of churches, and even mosques, synagogues, and Buddhist temples. You might even tell them, ‘Some people believe these stories are really true, other people believe they’re made up . . .’) FriendlyRiverOtter 09:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
GeorgeC editing this page back on 10:16, 1 March 2006 and added text:
"Your petitioners are atheists, and they define their lifestyle as follows:
An atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An atheist thinks that heaven is something for which we should work for now — here on earth — for all men together to enjoy. An atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, subdue and enjoy it. An atheist thinks that only in knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.
Therefore, he seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to 'know' a god. An atheist knows that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An atheist knows that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man. He wants an ethical way of life. He knows that we cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a hereafter. He knows that we are our brothers' keepers in that we are, first, keepers of our lives; that we are responsible persons, that the job is here and the time is now."
This doesn't jive with what is on the American Atheist web site. It's similar but not quite. You'll find the word "belief" and a lot of the word "believes" in this version but not found in GeorgeC's version:
(from http://www.atheists.org/Atheism)
“Your petitioners are Atheists and they define their beliefs as follows. An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth for all men together to enjoy.
An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction, and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and enjoy it.
An Atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.
He seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to know a god. An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man.
He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a god or channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a hereafter.
He believes that we are our brother's keepers; and are keepers of our own lives; that we are responsible persons and the job is here and the time is now.”
This needs to be cited in light of the differences. Is there a court doc to cite?
GeorgeC's or American Atheists web site? G Goldring 04:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Reflists with 3 columns give 74 lines of references, but reflists with 2 columns "contraintuitively" gives 65 lines of references. That is of course because a 3 columns reflist gives more newlines per word, and thus shorter lines. In case someone wondered why I made a "testing" change from 3 columns to 2, that is. ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 18:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
"American Atheists is an organization in the United States dedicated to defending the civil liberties of atheists and advocating for the complete separation of church and state."
Definitely POV in my view; the words "dedicated" and "defending" should be reworded, and to talk about the "complete seperation of church and state" is to imply that the current seperation isn't good enough, and that the church is part of the state.-- 86.179.212.200 ( talk) 15:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Is one of their goals to undermine the credibility of Christianity? I added a quote, which is cited by Don Batten and Jonathan Sarfati in an article called "How Religiously Neutral are the Anti-Creationist Organisations?" [1]
These writers claim that atheists are using Evolution to promote a materialistic framework of thinking so that rejection of Biblical Christianity will logically follow.
My question, as it relates to improving this article, is whether this imputed goal is an actual goal. In particular, I am wondering whether this imputation should be added to the present article ... or to some other similar article? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 18:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Pretty sure the link to David Silverman in the presidents section is wrong. 60.160.78.236 ( talk) 09:01, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
" AronRa" redirects here, but is not mentioned in the article. He is apparently a real person. Should the redirect be deleted? — Torontonian1 ( talk) 10:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
As I said on the Jennifer Love Hewitt talk page, she has said on several interviews that she is spiritual and loves god. She has also stated that she is Roman Catholics. Therefore, I'm going to remove her name from this article Tim Correll ( talk) 15:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)10:31 Eastern Standard Time Tim Correll ( talk) 15:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
As it is called the American Atheists Organisation, should it be moved there? Gary "Roach" Sanderson ( talk) 22:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
The section on court cases currently lists those which AA won, not those which were lost. For the sake of objective balance, both should be included. -- 2600:1008:B04D:71D5:5980:1AD4:B2A9:E1B9 ( talk) 00:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
These religious pseudo-atheists deified a mistaken logo used by the United States Atomic Energy Commission and the International Atomic Energy Agency who also based their designs on the archaic and erroneous Rutherford Model. Some paleo-atheists care about mimicking influential institutions more than being analytical. Probability is crucial for the actual atheist, studying it is a major atheistic value. Guaranteeing that a mistake remains eternally, not only isn't an atheistic value, but the exact opposite of atheism, especially when that MAJOR mistake takes the place of a Probabilistic symbol. Logotypes are crucial for a movement, and true atheists accept the evolution even of their ideas, if better data occur. Our atheoleaders don't evolve to accept officially the probabilistic orbitals. Some artists depict the probabilistic density via the usage of raster, others vary the weights of parallel lines etc. There are many ways to depict probabilistic density. The future non-metaphysical mental battle will be amongst paleo-atheists who don't evolve, and probabilistic atheists. Rejecting a Probabilistic symbol and putting instead in its place a famous - used by great others - archaic mistake, is the most religious thing an old fellow can do, even if (s)he farts atheism in you face! Don't fart, atheistically! ACT atheistically! Old people are boring... but they rule.... The article doesn't reveal that issue(s). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4115:CA00:881C:D36A:1128:44BA ( talk) 22:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Nick Fish was named the president of American Atheists, Inc. as of September 6, 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XaurreauX ( talk • contribs) 23:32, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
non-American atheist or American Atheist but not part of the anti-quantum scam = orbitalist = one who supports quantum theory and the atomic orbitals = against the updated Rutherford model of the atom which is stylized as the essence of the non-profit organization "American Atheists" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4104:9438:BCC4:C02A:A71C:6BC2 ( talk) 04:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)