The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Oregon banned alcohol twice before the rest of America: once prior to statehood (from 1844 to 1845) and then again in 1915, four years before passage of the
18th Amendment?
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Looks good! Though, it wasn't 1933. I'm actually a little perplexed -- apparently your source says 1915, but none of the relevant
ballot measures I see were in that year. Let's maybe do just a little more research before adding this? -
Pete (
talk) 19:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Oh, one other thing -- I think we should get to the point where we're using more sources before nominating it. The current two sources are both from the state web site. Let's get a broader view in here. Excellent work today though -- thanks to both you and EncMstr for helping flesh it out! -
Pete (
talk) 20:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Sounds good.
I think it was measure 17 in 1914.
[1] Look at page 9. DO they take a year to go into effect? -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 20:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, that looks just right! I suspect it was just an error on the web site. In general, ballot measures take effect 30 days after the election (according to the
s:Oregon Constitution, though I don't recall when that amendment was passed. -
Pete (
talk) 20:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
On a related note: the
Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution article says that Oregon ratified national prohibition on (January 15, 1919). But I don't see that anywhere in our list. Was this a ballot measure or a legislative action? I'm not fully clear on the process for federal constitutional amendments. -
Pete (
talk) 20:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I think it was a legislative action, but our page on the subject isn't very good.
[2] -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 21:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I suspect you're right. I wonder whether the DYK should mention BOTH times Oregon outlawed alcohol before the 18th amendment, since it seems the 1844 ban may have been more historically significant. Also, I think we should reconsider phrase "all alcohol," since there was an exception for medical prescriptions. (Strangely reminiscent of the politics around general marijuana legalization and medical marijuana, huh?) -
Pete (
talk) 00:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
(redent) I agree, if we can fit it in the number of words requirement. And we should mention that the second one was four years before the national one. Maybe we could make a
Progressiveness in Oregon page. -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 02:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
A beer drinker calling prohibition "progressive?" I'm shocked, SHOCKED! ;) -
Pete (
talk)
Looks pretty good. I haven't read the source, but wasn't the first one just a prohibition on the sale, not consumption itself? Might want to just say "prohibit alcohol." I also think we should clarify somehow that the first "prohibition" was short-lived, otherwise having two separate laws passed sounds strange. Finally (wow, so many opinions!) I don't think it's accurate to call the first a "vote of Oregonians" -- it was probably the
Provisional Legislature of Oregon, no? Not that they weren't Oregonians, but it sounds like a statewide popular vote as phrased. -
Pete (
talk) 02:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I'll work on it. It's just hard to fit it all into 200 characters. -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 02:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I meant to offer a suggestion with all my critiques, but got distracted..I'm kind of in the middle of something now, but will try to come back shortly. -
Pete (
talk) 03:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
No problem. I'll apply to DYK tomorrow, I think. The hook could also mention that it's the microbrew capital, although I don't know if a college paper is the greatest source for such a statement. Actually I
just looked and I can probably bulk up that statement pretty well. The legal sections are a bit better than the production sections, though, IMHO. -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 03:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree with everything you say above. (See, I'm not always so critical ;) How about this?
...that Oregon banned alcohol twice before the rest of America: once prior to statehood (from 1944 to 1949) and then again in 1915, four years before passage of the 18th Amendment?
This
journal article, a review of Prohibition and the Progressive Movement, 1900-1920 by James H. Timberlake, should be available through the Multnomah County Library's web access, and may be useful. -
Pete (
talk) 20:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
The Oregon State Archives web exhibit about prohibition has a
list of sources for further reading, as well. -
Pete (
talk) 22:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Here are a few more sources for craft distilleries in Oregon that I haven't had time to add info from:
Does this article have to be just about laws and legislation? Because this could be a great overview article (could be GA material) if we include a section on
Oregon wine (with a main article link) as well as beer in Oregon, and add information about our thriving craft distilling culture (I've got sources already lined up). What say ye? Steven Walling(talk) 20:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Absolutely, please go for it! That's why I moved it from
Alcohol laws of Oregon. This is just a starting point =) -
Pete (
talk) 20:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Where are you getting the info for "Ballot measures relating to alcohol"? I'd like to add that reference. -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 19:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
The older measures are scattered around a few pages
under this. The last few years are elsewhere, which I can't find at the moment. —
EncMstr (
talk) 20:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for taking care of that guys -- and sorry for my laziness! -
Pete (
talk) 21:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I got all the refs from that one link you mentioned. Am I misusing it for the later years? -
Peregrine Fisher (
talk) (
contribs) 21:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Other ideas
Can buy on Sunday (some states still don't), and some OLCC franchises are now open on Sundays (if I recall the government needed more tax revenue last recession).
Aboutmovies (
talk) 09:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually, the anon might be onto something there...
Katr67 (
talk) 16:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)reply
The article's reference is
a Willamette Week article which says that Portland's Integrity Spirits created the second U.S. Absinthe, then goes into detail about the history and mystique of the liquor. —
EncMstr (
talk) 18:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)reply
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