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The following information was moved out of the article page into the discussion page here. Whpq 01:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
your entry for Syngnathiformes is wrong. The order doesn't exist and the seahorses and relatives belong in the order Gasterosteiformes. Entry is based on the information in FishBase, which is incorrect. Although there's been some argument about splitting the sticklebacks and the seahorses up and putting sticklebacks in the Gasterosteiformes and the seahorses in the Syngnathiformes, the taxonomic consensus is that everyone is in the Gasterosteiformes. The embarrassing part is if you click on Syngnathiformes on the FishBase page, they give as their reference our textbook, even though we called them gasterosteiforms. I've written FishBase (5 minutes ago) to make the correction.* see below
Gene Helfman, Professor Institute of Ecology University of Georgia Athens, GA 3002 helfman@uga.edu
I e-mailed Prof. Helfman on this a couple weeks ago, and got no response, BTW. Tkinias 14:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Despite the veracity of Gene Helfman's comments, every phylogenetic analysis that has included both gasterosteiform and syngnathiform fishes during the last 14 years has recovered them as two distinct and unrelated groups. The gasterosteiforms being more closely related to the sculpins. The relationships of the syngnathinforms being more obscure. Regardless, it would be unwise to put them back together as he suggests.
Is there any reason why the individual groups shouldn't be in alphabetical order. If not I'll sort this out. HappyVR 14:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC) Also the sub page Neopterygii contains far less families than mentioned on this page - I'm sure thats because it's a stub and will expand it eventually. Can someone confirm that the situation is not more complex. HappyVR 14:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
The text states that the 'The [Holostei] (are) paraphyletic and tend to be abandoned', but it seems that the Chondrostei are also paraphyletic? Should this sentence just be moved to the relevent sub class articles or altered? Feedback or edits please. Also added a chondrostei page - if anyone want to expand on it. HappyVR 14:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
How come there's no explanation of what "ray-finned" actually means?
(Above comment by anon with IP 0.112.223.203)
(One minor problem seems to be that the Osteichthyes article is quite difficult to find when just browsing via links - maybe including the Osteichthyes as a super-class in the taxobox would help - currently the next highest order shown in the Actinopterygii taxobox is Chordata - which misses the subdivision of that phylum.)
To make things worse Actinopterygii is labelled as a class in it's own page, but as an order in Osteichthyes? Maybe the Osteichthyes page should be clarified a bit and the Chordata page altered also to show more clearly that the lobe and ray finned fish are classes of the Osteichthyes.
(I hope I've got my facts straight). HappyVR 16:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, the class is Osteichthyes, and the subclass is Antinopterygii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.175.76 ( talk) 22:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
In the Classification Section diagram Osteichthyes contains at least one lower classification (mammals) that does not belong. I am not an expert in the area, but I know that Mammals does not belong under Osteichthyes. L00k1tup ( talk) 00:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I am curious why Percomorphs haven't been included here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackPh0enix ( talk • contribs) 10:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Why couldn't they have named it something more easier to remember, like Pisces for example? I mean, all the other classes are. Mammalia, reptilia, amphibia, Aves, Insecta, etc. Then you have ACTINOPTERYGII...O.o? -- TangoFett ( talk) 08:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Tiktaalik 2605:A601:46C:4101:CABC:C8FF:FEA5:82F4 ( talk) 01:33, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Given that we have a separate article on the teleosts, why do we go into great detail on their complicated taxonomy here? I'd suggest we simply remove it, leaving a list or cladogram only down to a reasonable level (infraclass, perhaps superorder). Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:31, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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I started editing the list under classification to make it consistent with the stated source (Betancur-R et al 2017; Deepfin4), which has Osteichthys as a megaclass, Actinopterygii as a superclass, Cladistia and Actinopteri as classes, Chondrostei and Neopterygii as subclasses and Holostei and Teleostei as infraclasses. This contradicts the main classification in the taxobox which generally demotes these by a rank or doesn't use a Linnean rank. Fishes of the World is different still and uses Osteichthys at class, Actinopterygii at subclass, and Cladistia, Chondrostei and Holostei at infraclass, while Neopterygii is unranked and teleostei a division.
I thought the preferred classification was FotW5 and expected the taxoboxes to follow that unless specified. I think the taxoboxes should either follow FotW5 or, perhaps better now, switch to the Deepfin system, which is also used by Fish Tree of Life. I intend to change the taxoboxes and add some references to the taxonomy templates, but which system should be used? — Jts1882 | talk 14:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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Um, if Osteichthyes is 425 mya, how can Actinopterygii be the same age? Something wrong here. Actually, this article uses 425 mya in the infobox and 400 mya in the cited text, so something wrong there too. Same goes for Sarcopterygii, basically. Looks as if several dates need to be pushed back a bit. Anyone know how to sort this out? Chiswick Chap ( talk) 12:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)