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2nd ranked as of when?
Manticore55 06:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)reply
As stated in the lead seaction, AIK has played in Elitserien 1975-1986, 1987-1993 and 1994-2002. That means they were demoted after the 2001-02 season in
Kvalserien relegations of 2002. As seen on
[1] the last two teams in Elitserien that year (who had to play relegation series) were
Timrå IK and AIK. Timrå IK was able to win the relegation series that year and thereby stayed in Elitserien but AIK finished in third place after
Leksands IF, which means Leksands IF was promoted to and AIK was demoted from Elitserien. The 2002-03 season AIK finished 4th in Kvalserien. In 2003-04 they were 5th. In 2004-05 AIK was forced down to the third tier (Division 1) due to bad economy, but still finished in 1st place of the qualification series to the second tier and was thereby promoted to
HockeyAllsvenskan. AIK finished 6th there in 2005-06 season and were out of that years qualification series. Finally, last season 2006-07 of (Hockey)Allsvenskan AIK ended up 9th and again missed the playoffs and qualifications. --
Bamsefar75 15:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)reply
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Third and finally, this move will make the article name more ambiguous, as the abbreviation IF also means Idrottsförening (English: Sports club); like in
Djurgårdens IF, where the ice hockey department currently is located at
Djurgårdens IF Hockey. (This page should rather be changed to
Djurgården Hockey, like their legal name and as shown in their logo.)
AIK Ishockey is a short for AIK Ishockeyförening, which also is used on their official website and always by the Swedish Ice Hockey Association. All other teams in Elitserien and Allsvenskan have their articles titled with the team name registered with the Swedish Ice Hockey Association. Using Ishockey in an article title on English Wikipedia, especially when it's only a short form of the official name, is not optional. And I think we can come to a consensus here, I'll leave a note on WT:HOCKEY for more input. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 01:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I personally didn't care either way. But I think Krm's reasoning is sound. Secondly since AIK IF already redirects to this page, there is no disambiguation issues. -
DJSasso (
talk) 10:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
This article is 99% about the Elitserien team, called AIK Ishockey, not the youth ice hockey departments of the club, called AIK IF. Hence, I believe this article should still be called AIK Ishockey.
AIK IF could be created as an own article about the youth department, but I don't think it is notable enough!
lil2mas (
talk) 20:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Yes, some teams choose to register corporations to operate and handle the economics of their elite team separate from the association/club for financial reasons. In this case AIK Ishockey AB, but the team is still playing under the banner AIK IF. You are confusing business with sports, it's like saying that we should move the Toronto Maple Leafs article to
Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment or the HV71 article to
HV71 Elitishockey AB. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 22:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Small note:
AB is the Swedish equivalent of AG, Ltd, Inc, etc. And I took a quick look at the Elitserien team articles and in all the lead must be rewritten to clarify that it's not only professional team but an sports association/club with several teams in different leagues and age groups. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 22:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The article I showed you in my last comment clearly stated that AIK IF is the youth department, while AIK Ishockey is the elite team. This article is clearly about the elite team that currently plays in
Elitserien, and should therefore be named AIK Ishockey. If this were to be changed into being an article for the ice hockey umbrella; AIK IF, the current infobox needs to be moved down to an own
elite section making the article pretty uneven in context.
lil2mas (
talk) 22:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
No it didn't... The website stated exactly what I wrote above; AIK Ishockey AB is corporation in charge of operations of the professional team playing in Elitserien. But it has nothing to do with the name of that said team. Quite frankly you don't know what you are talking about, and this article should immediately be moved back to AIK IF, and then if you feel like it you can start and WP:RM because it's up to you to convince us why this article should be treated differently then all other articles on Swedish ice hockey teams. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 23:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
This article has been named AIK Ishockey since 2007, it is even named
AIK Ishockey at the Swedish Wikipedia. Please loose the temper, and start a WP:RM if you'd like to! ;o)
lil2mas (
talk) 23:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
No, it was named AIK Hockey until May 22, 2010. I'm not a contributor on Swedish Wikipedia so I don't care if they have it wrong, and I got my temper when you decided to play dirty and deliberately made sure I couldn't revert your last move. For now we have a neutral name, hopefully we can get more input and come to a consensus tomorrow. I'm going to bed now, goodnight. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 23:35, 16 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Guys stop moving the page. And calm down. What the Swedish wiki calls it is irrelevant (and ironically they often move their articles to whatever we name them), as we are supposed to name articles to what their most common name in english is. In this case AIK or AIK IF would be the most common name. I don't know that I have ever seen it written as AIK Ishockey in english. Krm is correct in that the AIK Ishockey name has only been there less than a month it was AIK Hockey before that because that is english. -
DJSasso (
talk) 11:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)reply
It would be great if we could get wider input and reach a consensus. I'm fine with having the article here until then, it seems to have solved the move war at least. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 00:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)reply
The reason I moved the page to AIK Ishockey (which started this whole conflict) was it is currently the name of the
Swedish article. /
HeyMid (
contributions) 12:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)reply
I've moved the article back to AIK Ishockey, mainly because of an e-mail reply I got from a person in the AIK Ishockey (organization?). He said that AIK Ishockey is the name of the club and suggested that should also be the name of the article, no matter which country or language we are talking about. /
HeyMid (
contributions) 17:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Claiming someone said something in an email does not count as a reliable source. Let's agree not to move this again without further discussion with wider community input. —
Krm500(
Communicate!) 19:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Two things wrong about that, one claiming someone said something isn't a reliable source. Second, we use what the most common name is in english for article titles, no matter what the subject is or where it is from. It doesn't actually matter what the native name is. -
DJSasso (
talk) 22:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Further discussion
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The result of the move request was: page moved.
HeyMid (
contributions) 20:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)reply
AIK (ice hockey) →
AIK IF — I agree with Krm500 and DJSasso in
the first discussion; AIK IF is the abbreviation of "Allmänna Idrottsklubben Ishockeyförening", which is the full name of the club. But "Allmänna Idrottsklubben Ishockeyförening" is too long for an article name, so I suggest (like Krm500 and DJSasso) that "AIK IF" should be the name of this article.
HeyMid (
contributions) 11:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)reply
Table showing the title of this article at different language versions
Support same opinion as in previous discussions. —
KRM(
Communicate!) 15:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)reply
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Copy edit
I'm not going to review this article (I feel articles should be assessed by people that don't know the game), but I will copy edit a bit. Here are some issues I see.
References need complete details, not just titles.
AIK IF charges all
corporations except the Elitserien team. Not sure what this means.
I got tired of reading the history section so I skipped the last bit. It should be more of a synthesis and less of a season-by-season event log. Take a look at
Calgary Flames or
New Jersey Devils, some ice hockey featured article teams.
I'm not sure if the supporter sections are needed; check
WP:External links.
The external links to the supporter clubs are notable, as they represent their fans.
HeyMid (
contributions) 10:56, 30 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Useful link?
Here's an
article from NHL.com that provides a North American look at AIK. Take a look, I see tons of useful stuff in there. –
Schmloof (
talk ·
contribs) 01:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)reply
That article is from 2008, but sure, I'll take a look.
HeyMid (
contributions) 09:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)reply
OK, here is the initial review, according to the numbers on the
Good Article criteria page.
1 (a): Article prose is clear and concise
There are some awkward phrases not usually used by native speakers of English.
Examples:
"the ice hockey section of the sports association Allmänna Idrottsklubben" (from the lead): "sports association" usually refers to an organising body, like the Svenska Ishockeyförbundet, not a collection of teams under one name, like AIK. "Associated sports club" would be clearer.
"In the team's 89 years long history" (from the lead): should be "In the team's 89 year history".
"The team's first competition was non-championship series" (from "Early Years"): should be either "was a non-championship series" or "was the non-championship series" depending.
I won't point out everything that needs revising according to this criterion, as there are many instances. The article really needs a thorough copy-edit by a native English speaker - perhaps ask for help in
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey.
Lead section: A little light, could do with some more information
Layout: No major issues
Words to Watch: "In a remarkable and among the AIK supporters' historical game" (from the Downfall section): these are
peacock terms. There are other examples, which a copy-edit would catch.
The Swedish article on AIK IF contains more detail - this could be incorporated in the English article. There are also other topics which may reasonably be expected in an encyclopedic article which are missing here, such as a section on the stadium, club playing colours, season-by-season breakdowns and so on. The article on the
Calgary Flames provides a good example to follow.
3 (b): Stays focused on the topic
4: Neutrality
5: Stability
6: Images
The Swedish and German articles on the subject have more images, some of which could be incorporated into the English article.
So, it's not quite ready yet for Good Article status. My suggestions for how to proceed would be (in chronological order):
Add more information, particularly on the area outlined above under section 3 (a).
Rewrite the lead section based on the extra information added.
Add appropriate images.
Ask a native speaker to give the piece a thorough edit.
I think the contributors have done a great job to bring the article to where it is now, but a little more work is needed. I'll put the article review on hold for now.
The nom seems to have retired, so you can either fail the article or ask a wikiproject to handle the remaining issues.
WizardmanOperation Big Bear 16:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Thanks, I've failed the article against the GA criteria as the nominator has retired and nobody else has taken on reforming the article. Hopefully someone can come back to this in the near future and bring it up to standard.
Taiwantaffy (
talk) 04:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)reply
In the infobox, the city of Stockholm links to
Stockholm, but in the lead it links to
Stockholm County. In both cases I think we should link to
Stockholm. The county is mentioned in the Stockholm article, and it doesn't make sense linking to the county, especially given the fact that Stockholm is the capital of Sweden, as well as that Stockholm is mentioned alot more often than the county it's located in.
HeyMid (
contribs) 20:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)reply
"AIK Stockholm"
Several times now, I've had my edits reverted when I've removed the reference to AIK as "AIK Stockholm". This is listed with only one source: a pair of NHL articles. Putting "AIK Stockholm" at the top of the article in bold seems to be giving the name completely undue weight IMO. Just cause the NHL decided to add "Stockholm" to a Swedish hockey team in two articles doesn't make it an alternative name, it would seem to me. Thoughts? — SwedishPenguin |
Talk 20:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)reply
I've re-removed "AIK Stockholm" from the article. The NHL may be coming up with an alternative name to clarify that the team is from Stockholm, but Wikipedia's job is not to promote unknown alternative names. In fact,
AIK Stockholm redirects to AIK Fotboll, not this article (although it probably should redirect to
Allmänna Idrottsklubben instead). Also, AIK Stockholm would not refer to the ice hockey team specifically (depending on which sport we're talking about), otherwise we should note "AIK Stockholm" in all AIK team articles.
Heymid (
contribs) 22:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)reply
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