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Hi there,
There is an article on this already, check out "Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War". ;)
Dr Benway ( talk) 14:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
This section was a bit of a mess; it was just a jumble of names as it was. I’ve changed it to a list, so we can see who is who. There’s also a number of mistakes in this, comparing it to the source, so I’ve corrected them. And links to articles on the people or the organizations mentioned couldn’t hurt. Moonraker12 ( talk) 10:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I’ve deleted a load of stuff from the "Background", "Individual fates" and "Controversy" sections as it is just not relevant here.
Most of it was copied and pasted from the
Red Terror article, with no indication in most cases whether any of the stuff mentioned happened to any of the persons beatified (where there is a connection, I have kept it).
The "Background" section gives figures for the period as a whole, not specifically to the 498, and refers in detail to the dioceses of Barbastro, Lleida, Tortosa and Toledo and Malaga, none of which are mentioned in the Introduction as places where the 498 came from.
The "Individual fates" section does the same, and where it refers to events in Barcelona, Madrid and Cuidad Real it does so without saying to whom they happened, or whether they were among the 498. It refers specifically to the Bishop of Jaen (who was Manuel Basulto Jimenez), whose cause is still awaiting consideration by the CCS, and to the bishop of Almeria (Diego Ventaja Milan), who was beatified in 1993.
The "Controversy" section copied verbatim from the
source as well as being on the Red Terror page. It refers to Fulgencio Martinez, who is not one of the 498, and to “another priest of Lorca” who could be almost anybody, but is definitely not one of these, as Lorca is not in any of the dioceses listed. Also
to Rigoberto Domenich, and to Eijo Garay, who were not killed during the Terror at all, and who are not even proposed for beatification.
However I’ve left Cruz Laplana Laguna, who was one of the 498, and also Gabino Olasa Zabala, who was a companion of Avelino Rodriguez Alonso ( though the source given for the accusation against him is sparse, to say the least.
I’ve re-written the "Individual fates" section to be more about the individuals, and I’ve re-phrased the "Background" section to go from the general to the particular, rather than the other way around.
In short I've tried to make it more about the people it is supposed to be about, and less of a right/left controversy article.
I trust that is OK with everyone.
Moonraker12 (
talk) 20:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
(The section "Individual cases" was tagged for neutrality without explanation; this was removed and challenged. Moonraker12 ( talk) 11:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC))
The 498 martyrs include bishops, priests, male and female religious and faithful of both sexes. Three were 16 years old and the oldest was 78. They were from all parts of Spain, [...]. Although Spain was the site of their martyrdom and the homeland of many of them, there were also some who came from other nations, from France, Mexico and Cuba. They were men and women who were faithful to their obligations, and who were able to forgive their killers. Cruz Laplana Laguna, the bishop of Cuenca, wrote I cannot go, only here is my responsibility, whatever may happen, while Fr. Tirso de Jesús María, a companion of Eusebio Fernandez Arenillas, wrote in the letter sent to his family on the eve of his execution: "Pardon them and bless them and amen to everything, just as I love them and pardon them and bless them.....".
The article suggests that the RC Church prefers the wording Martyrs of Spain, since they were killed in Spain, but some came from other countries. Should we move the article from 498 Spanish Martyrs to 498 Martyrs of Spain? -- Javierme ( talk) 16:02, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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Within the text is the line:
"Regarding the attitude of the Vatican, Manuel Montero, lecturer of the University of the Basque Country commented on 6 May 2007"
However, the "Manuel Montero" to which the link takes you is to an Argentinian rugby player, not a Basque nationalist academic and writer for El Pais newspaper. I have not edited this text because it requires a specialist relinking by a more experienced wiki editor. Hubertgrove ( talk) 13:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)