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Please see [1] which also applies here since I am about to update the same citation in this article. Kind Regards, Keesiewonder 01:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I've linked all mentions of Yue Fei's biographies from throughout the article back to the sections which describe them. This should cut down on reader confusion. ( Ghostexorcist 21:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC))
I just made some huge changes to the page per a request from the WikiProject China peer review. I've combined the 'Yue Fei's Biographies' with the 'Background' sections. This way, it combines all info pertaining to Zhou Tong's personal life. I will elongate the lead paragraph later. And the 'Skills' section still needs work. ( Ghostexorcist)
I am only interested in digging for and then presenting the material in bulk. I admit my skill of ‘summarizing’ the entire page into a neat 3-4 paragraph lead is not very good. I would appreciate it if someone could do this for me. I've done the hardest part and found the info, now all you have to do is summarize it. Thank you in advance to anyone who attempts this! ( Ghostexorcist 23:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC))
This page is now a whopping 47 kb. The ‘non-binding’ page size limit as set by Wikipedia is 32 kb. Despite the fact that a large portion of the length comes from the extensive list of notes and references, I was thinking of cutting the size down by ‘cut and pasting’ some of the info into its own article, mainly the ‘skills’ section. The material here isn’t really that strong or lengthy enough and I'm worried that these problems might take away its "GA" nomination. However, I’m sure many of the few people that actually know about Zhou Tong would be upset if I didn’t include something about martial arts. So I could just make a link leading to the page about Zhou tong’s martial arts, end of story. What do you guys think? ( Ghostexorcist 20:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC))
That's what I did with
History of Wing Chun.
JFD 21:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I just added a moral tale from a Chinese children's magazine about Yue Fei learning archery from Zhou Tong. Since my Chinese sucks, I used an internet translator so I could read the story. And because the translator sucks, I changed some sentences around to make them more grammatically correct, while staying as true to the original story as possible. If anyone fluent in Chinese reads the Chinese version and sees some mistakes in my translation, please feel free to make corrections where needed. ( Ghostexorcist 23:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC))
I see nothing to stop this article from receiving a GA status. Meets all guidelines. Da54 23:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The page is now a whopping 53 kb, even after I cut the huge martial arts section off into its own article. I've decided to move all of the Yue Fei bio stuff from the beginning to the Yue Fei page, which would free up a lot more space. The Yue Fei page is sorely lacking in background material on his early life anyway. Plus, I plan on adding more stuff to the Zhou Tong article about his own fictional biography. ( Ghostexorcist 23:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC))
I think I used way too many quotes when I originally built up the article. I have started to squish them paraphrase/delete said quotes into manageable paragraphs. It might take me a while before I'm done.
I will keep some large quotes if they are the ONLY mentions of Zhou in certain works or if they are important to the fiction or history.( Ghostexorcist 11:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC))
There is an entire section called "Water Margin bandits". Yet the article clearly saids DO NOT confuse Zhou Tong the monk with the Water Margin character???? Benjwong 05:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been writing on this article for almost 2 years now, so it took me 6 hours to reformat page's references and do a little rewriting. ( Ghostexorcist 04:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC))
I'm not sure if I'm going to do it or not, but I recently came across some historical material, backed up by modern works, that briefly touches upon Zhou's background and what his true purpose was as Yue's teacher. I'm thinking about splitting the page up into historical and fictional like the Guan Yu page. My main concern with the page right now is that the historical stuff is being drowned in the sea of fictional stuff. This way, I can present all of the historical stuff known about him, then present all of the fictional. So the two will be separate. ( Ghostexorcist 00:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC))
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Honestly, I don't usually give out A ratings unless I am pretty sure that an article will pass FAC. I'm sorry that I am not more familiar with this topic. I'm a little concerned about some of the sources used here. To what extent can we trust the biographies of Zhou Tong cited here? Are they classical works, or do they utilize modern scholarship? I'm not comfortable with moving the article up to A class. My advice would be to just take it to FAC if you are certain of the quality of the sources. Feel free to respond to my concerns here, and I may change it to A class after all.--
Danaman5 22:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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