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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Jreferee 23:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I made some significant changes and pleased to others have made further edits, but I don't agree with some of the changes.
First I'm not sure putting "Personal life" instead "Early Career" is necessarily a good idea . The short length of the section and the ending sentence of "She moved to Toronto, Canada in 2006 to train" seem very awkward. IMHO it should be something more along the line of "she moved her full-time training base to Toronto in 2006," which I think is more appropriate if you look at the information from the article. Also I think it's better to separate Kim's early career prior to the 2004-2005 season from the rest, especially as her career goes on further.
Speaking of the Toronto cricket club and Brian Orser, both are highly symbolic entities in the Canadian figure skating world, and I think putting in a word such as "famed" to emphasize such distinction is more than appropriate in this case.
Also I think describing her as "media figure" as opposed to "media darling" is a misnomer. Not only the nuance is quite different, but the media darling is more indicative of what was described in the referenced article. Furthermore Kim commented in a number of published interviews how comforting it is to be away from the media attention by training in Toronto I think a "celebrity" would be a far more accurate description than a "media figure," and not sure if it's necessary to remove the "media circus" part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.21.99 ( talk) 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
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No personal attacks, OK? -- Kjoon lee 14:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
user Kolindigo and user Wiest1989 Kim Yuna's wiki is not battleground. ( talk) - Top on ice
Personal Life
"But after she won a gold medal in the Novice Ladies event at the 2002 Triglav Trophy, her overall training situation improved thanks to financial support from several Korean institutions." This is not accurate; she had financial difficulty until the first half of 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdspark7 ( talk • contribs) 15:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This entire article needs a lot of clean-up. I am starting to do some now. Please pitch in and help. This article will receive a lot of attention during Worlds and in the run-up to the Olympics. At the very least, it should be fully-referenced.
To the edit-warring users, I remind them that this is the English Wikipedia: please use English. If you do not know English well enough to contribute to the English language Wikipedia, your contributions are welcome at the Korean Wikipedia or the Japanese Wikipedia. Kolindigo ( talk) 22:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I have mostly made corrections on grammatical errors very recently and added contents including relatively more recent information. I also added a few external links, but it seems that there is a different opinion. I have just read the guidelines to external links. The guidelines provide that links to forums are "normally to be avoided," but "not prohibited." The guidelines do not strictly prohibit such links. They simply suggest they not used normally. Those forums that I linked seem to be well organized and, I believe, helpful for the readers of the Kim Yu-Na page. On the other hand, I had included a Korean fan forum, but dropped it because the tone of the posts in the forum does not match the reasonable expectation of many readers. We can find other Wikipedia pages containing links to such forums. I believe reasonable and potentially helpful contents and links should stay as long as they are not inappropriate. For these reasons, there must be a good reason to remove contents and links when such guidelines do not strictly prohibit them.-- Chunwook ( talk) 04:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Kim was the only lady skater whose triple-triple combination had been recognized by the judges in both the short program and the free skating in the 2008-2009 season.
That is not right!!! Sarah Hecken (Germany) did a Triple-Triple Combination at Junior Worlds in the Short and in the Long Programm with positive GOEs! http://www.isuresults.com/results/wjc2009/index.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.135.223.145 ( talk) 15:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and copy edited the article. Removed peacock language and references that linked to Youtube videos. Please find news article replacements for those. Also, I'm not sure if it's completely relevant to list every jump she did in a competition unless it is remarkable for a female skater. I removed breaks in the references that made it difficult to read! Anyway, here are some ideas to take into consideration for the main editors (or any) to look into: Expanding the personal life section. What are her sibling(s) names? Her parents? What are they occupations? What is she studying in University? Also, I suggest removing some of the images and keeping only a few as there are too many images here. It is redundant to keep mentioning she broke the world record when she's just improving every year; is there a better way to say this? Anyway, those are just a few things I noticed while going through this article. on camera (t) 03:41, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think there are one too many photos in the article? I want to remind users that this isn't a fansite or a gallery, it's an biographical article. Byxbee ( talk) 02:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
=============I don't LOL often, but I truly did when I saw the comment comparing popularity (photos anyway) to Jesus. I would agree that she is quite popular over here. I drank a Kim Yu-Na smoothy drink the morning of her gold medal performance. Now to my question. I was very impressed at how quickly her gold medal photo was put up here. Can anyone tell me how soon after her victory it was updated here? I wanted to use this statistic as an example in my university-level New Media Technology class. I tried to find the information via the history tab but I did not have luck. Thanks, Ken —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenmorrison30 ( talk • contribs) 08:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Still reads like a skating resume, if anything it could look MORE like a fansite, doesn't look like the Korean version is any more elaborate than this one. This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JQ8NCNyC6E gives a more dramatic version, though it might be hard to source. Bachcell ( talk) 22:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
According to NBC and CTV, she has been nicknamed as "Queen Yu-Na" ; according to CTV, when in North America, she prefers to be called "Yu-Na Kim", shouldn't this be added to the article? 70.29.210.242 ( talk) 11:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I found several articles with that nickname on it. http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=448445.html
http://www.ctvolympics.ca/figure-skating/news/newsid=53114.html
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29935499/
Yes, I think this should be added in "2010 Winter Olympics" part, at least. No response from others for a while, though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gusl13 ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I would want to also participate and add the detail information about the Sportswoman of the Year, and how that she was the first Asian woman to win this award. And also a brief information about her book. Jkwon218 ( talk) 21:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't we wait until the conclusion of Yu-Na Kim's amateur career before putting the information about her 100% podium rate into wikipedia? Mind you, I don't want to jinx her (not that I'm superstituous). Please discuss the merit of including this information. Sydneyphoenix ( talk) 12:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
In response to the suggestions above about how the page looks too much like a resume and not like an encyclopedic entry (which I agree with), I have been incorporating trivia into relevant sections of prose on the page. I have received an unsigned comment on my talk page from RunnersHigh, who has also reverted one of my edits. I will repost and address the comment here where it's relevant:
The new section on recent criticism of Kim Yuna is backed up by five newspaper articles from two different Korean newspapers. Do not delete it without justification or discussion.
This is an encyclopedia article not a fan page. -- Pmcalduff ( talk • contribs) 10:32, 2 June 2012
I suggest you to work to confirm the validity of the criticism first. You may remember what caused the U.S. invasion of Iraq. "Weapons of mass destruction or WMD" lol.
Previously as I mentioned, the section included many faults from the beginning.
1. KAAP is not health officials at all but a small academic society.
2. Groundless criticism. (See below)
2-1. Professor Jung, graduated from Yonsei university, contributed a groundless column to an online newspaper "Pressian". If you can read Korean you may found some odd words. For example, "~ 하는 궁금증이 들었다". "~의도가 아닌가 싶다, "~하는건 아닌지" In English, "I have a curiosity whether~", "She may intended to do~", "Come near to doing ~". What he wrote was a fiction not an article. And he is well known in Korea as a malicious criticizer. His targets were "Ji sung Park, Chan ho Park, Seung yup Lee, Tae hwan Park, etc" and everyone knows why he is doing that.
Draw public attention and sell his books.
2-2. Yonsei University professor Hwang had an interview on a radio program and insisted "Yuna went just one day for the show", "Korea University may let student graduate even if they were not come to class.", "I'm working at University but I've never heard of any cyber curriculum for athletes at all. That's a lie out of whole cloth". "I don't understand why she is doing that teaching apprenticeship to obtain a teacher's license. She is trying to gather another license ~~"
Now what were known from reporters, students and teachers of Jinseon girl's high school and people concerned with the educational affairs department of Korea University.
After the issues were reported to public and then facts were disclosed by many reporters, the radio program finally made an official apology to Yuna.
Long explanation but that's what happened and the fact IS. Still do you need to add the section? -- RunnersHigh ( talk) 12:56, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
FYI, Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines about encyclopedic content. These standards require verifiability, neutrality, respect for living people, and more. --
RunnersHigh (
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Articles and rinks
[English]
[Korean]
[Korea University School Regulations]
Again, I want you to show me your respect for living people. -- RunnersHigh ( talk) 01:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
I addressed the issue you brought up concerning the beer adds and dropped the part about her teaching practice and university attendance completely. If you still have a problem with the section feel free to discuss it here or add to it with verifiable information. Do not simply blank it.
Pmcalduff (
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11:17, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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RunnersHigh (
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03:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I wanna make it clear, Pmcalduff. I didn't blank what you wrote simply at all. ;)
(Okay sorry.)
Thank you for taking my previous opinion but sorry for adding the same different section without waiting others and my answer. Didn't you protect the section until June 10 by yourself?
(Actually no. It was somones else who protected it.)
Anyway, let's go ahead.
In the article of " (107) Yu-na lashed over beer commercial", Kim Tong-hyung described Yuna as a spokeswoman of Hite as below. The latest buzz surrounding the 22-year-old surrounds her decision to be the spokeswoman of Hite, the best-selling brand of local beer.
Is she a spokeswoman or a spokesmodel?
and "Shin pointed out that professional athletes are banned from pitching alcoholic beverages in the United States." Could you give me your opinion on this as a citizen of the United States of America?
Let's see.
(Two of those are non American adds for non American beer. The other two are not TV commercials. Unfortunately there are no laws in America concerning internet adds.)
(109) Group demands ban on sports stars’alcohol ads also insisted "in the United States professional athletes, such as MLB baseball players, are banned from advertising alcohol."
Really? Not at all as I wrote above and many leagues in the States are currently sponsored by lots of alcoholic companies. If you ever had been to any MLB stadium, you could find bottles and cups of beers anywhere with easy.
(Yes they sponsor alcohol heavily and alcohol is advertised at sporting events in America but that does not change the fact that athletes are not allowed to appear in TV adds for alcohol in the United States and in most other developed countries.)
(108) Yanking Yu-na out of beer ad is a "cupout column", "Enough of my shenanigans!" and "only Imagine" as he wrote.
IMHO, it's not an article but fiction which ISN'T neutral, factual and sientific at all. He is just glumbling, muttering and complaining over a celebrity who he never had met and interviewed.
(It's criticism which is what I said in the new section. If you think it is unfair please feel free to find a reliable news article that supports your opinion and add a sentence or paragraph showing that not everyone agrees with this criticism.)
(110) Not about Yu-na is mainly on Yuna's teaching apprenticeship. if you accepted my opinions and dropped the part about her teaching practice and university attendance completely, please remove the rink.
(Okay. fair enough. It's been removed.)
Anyway, I respect your effort to find articles, have interest figure skater Yuna Kim and give us a chance to talk about it. ;)
Your turn. -- RunnersHigh ( talk) 15:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
(Of course nothing you have said changes the fact that Kim, Yuna has been and is being criticized for her appearance in these beer commercials. As a Korean you must be aware that the Korea legislators are taking this very seriously and that they are considering passing laws which will make athletes appearing in alcohol commercial illegal in Korea. As the father of a twelve year old girl born and raised in Korea I hope they do it quickly.) Pmcalduff ( talk) 06:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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RunnersHigh (
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03:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply again.
'NOT everyone agrees with this criticism'.
Okay. Feel free to add something like this, along with the appropriate citations, to the section on criticism:
Some people in Korea feel that this criticism is unfair do to the fact that there are other sports stars and celebrities promoting the sale of alcohol in TV commercials. They view this treatment as a double standard since they are not being criticized.
Of course this is just a suggestion. Feel free to put it in your own words. I'll even help you with proofreading if you want. Pmcalduff ( talk) 11:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
-- RunnersHigh ( talk) 11:53, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Deal?
That is fine although I would recommend "some people and media sources." Pmcalduff ( talk) 12:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Reliable news article and a sentence or a paragraph. Titles and urls added as below.
Giving figures might help understand more quickly. If you're right and everyone agrees with the criticism, Yuna's favorable image, impact of advertisement and efficiency of advertisement must continue to decline.
As a father of 13 yo son, I understand your interest on it. Moreover I want Seoul to ban all media from advertising alcohol itself.
I agree with you completely. :) Pmcalduff ( talk) 11:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC) You bet. -- RunnersHigh ( talk) 13:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
But, I wanna say criticism on this case must blame not an individual but rules and regulations for bad influence from alcoholic ad. (FYI, in Korea, Currently alcohol commercials on TV allowed from 22:00, Radio anytime.)
I don't know who and what you are but many Americans in Korea do teach English in school and institute for a living. As you may know, some were drug addicted, ex-con and sex offenders. Few years ago, Parents got to knew that and then there's a public uproar.
Do you remember what happend then? Media blamed rules and regulations for having been outdated and not prepared but didn't blame any certain English teacher or instructor at all. That's what right criticism is, isnt't it?
Of course the media didn't blame the individual teachers involved. As soon as the "drug addicted, ex-con and sex offenders" were discovered, they were arrested by the police and thrown out of the country. Do you think they were allowed to stay in Korea because it was the fault of the rules and regulations. No of course not. The fact that the law was wrong didn't change the fact that they were dangerous people. The fact that the current law concerning athletes in beer commercials is wrong doesn't change the fact that Kim, Yuna was wrong to appear in those commercials. The fact that it is currently legal for her to promote the sale of alcohol doesn't free her from her responsibility to act as a good role model for the millions of young girls who look up to her.
Pmcalduff (
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11:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
“Legal but wrong” reminds me of many social issues. Mainly bad cases but I don't think it belongs to them.
BTW,
My point is, this time Criticism selected a wrong target and therefore missed what it pursued. That's why many reliable news articles scolded the criticism severely.
And that's why I disagree to add the section.
It is not that the criticism hit the wrong target. It didn't hit enough targets. It should fall on everyone involved. Korean lawmakers, all of the athletes promoting alcohol, and the alcohol companies themselves.
Pmcalduff (
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11:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Wrong target and not enough. If KAAP really wanted to stop the speeding bus, it had to pull the trigger on tires but it failed to stop the bus and hit a passenger in the back seat. Currently no one has interest in banning the alcoholic ad or athletes’ from advertising alcoholic ad. Media just focused the passenger hit by KAAP.--
RunnersHigh (
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13:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. I just signed my recent comments.
Pmcalduff (
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11:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
It's very kind of you. Good to talk with you. ;) --
RunnersHigh (
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13:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand why a new section on 'CRITICISM' was put here on Yuna's wikipedia just because of certain news articles that a certain group was DISAGREEABLE to her endorsing a beer product, when NOBODY HAS EVER BOTHERED to put a section on 'PRAISES AND APPRECIATION' from MANY ORGANIZATIONS. IF being criticized for that is so important to merit a NEW SECTION HERE, why not add a section discussing HOW MUCH SHE IS BEING APPRECIATED FOR SO MANY THINGS IN KOREA AND AROUND THE WORLD?? I'm sure there are HUNDREDS OF NEWS ARTICLES about that if people here think what media has to say is SO IMPORTANT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiloh07 ( talk • contribs) 08:54, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I suggest removing this "criticism" section altogether. Those articles and criticism pieces are not the first ones in the story of Yuna, she was criticized for something no matter how small it was, so what, Wikipedia is going to mention any criticizing article? This wasn't any serious criticism and it doesn't add any substantial info on Yuna, it adds more about those guys and their views than on Yuna. Celebrities are constantly criticized.
I also suggest expanding more the section on a libel suit, because right now it looks like Yuna is bullying someone just for criticizing her, while in reality is a defamation suit and the guy she sues actually publicly provided false and misleading information about her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.197.14 ( talk) 12:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Her name is not yuna and never was
Someone who knows how to please please change it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohmann ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
'Yu-Na' is her official name, but 'Yuna' is also her name. You can check on her twitter account that she wrote her name 'Yuna Kim' not 'Yu-Na Kim' http://twitter.com/Yunaaaa In my opinion, Yuna is better than Yu-Na because a hyphen doesn't have to be in her name. A hyphen connects two diffrent names or prevents mispronounciation. However, 'Yu-Na' and 'Yuna' is pronounced the same, then why bother putting an unnecessary hyphen in her name? Some insist that her name needs a hyphen because it is made of two chinese characters. However, many Chinese and Japanese names are also made of two characters , but usually they don't use a hyphen. Korean given names don't need a hyphen either unless they are mispronounced without it. Karpuz12 ( talk) 14:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't it actually be Yeon-Ah? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.124.161.159 ( talk) 07:47, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 23:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Kim Yu-Na → Kim Yuna – Her Given name ′Yuna′ without hyphen is the common usage. Refer to her official website, International Skating Union website, Olympic.org website. Her family name ′Kim′ should be written first because she is Korean ( WP:NC-KO). Sawol ( talk) 12:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Could some expert Yuna fan add some details about her foot injury that she was just diagnosed with? It's a metatarsal injury to her right foot. Apparently she was skating on it for some time. Any slight injury affects all of us Yuna fans. I think it's high time these injuries to our top skaters stop. Will someone please invent a skate with a pneumatic shock absorber? Look at the devastation this season: Yuna, Kiira Korpi and Alissa Czisny are all out of competition with injuries right now...and Julia Lipnitskaia was earlier. And this is Olympic season! At least Gracie Gold played it smart and doubled a lot of her triples when she was skating on that broken left skate at US Classic--and she still got Silver. Yuna is real smart too--she has good stategy. Yuna will use this time to assess the competition. She'll miss Skate Canada (I'm betting Gracie Gold wins--she just teamed with Frank Carroll for her new coach, so watch out Yuna!) but Yuna's foot might be healed in time for Eric Bompard even though she's withdrawn, at which point the season will be in full swing. 50.202.81.2 ( talk) 05:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kim Yuna's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "1213ts":
Reference named "1112ts":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:20, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be an edit war going on, over whether to include Kim's religion in the article.
Generally, facts like this are included, when reported in reliable sources. In this case, it's been reported, e.g. [1] (Korean, but that doesn't make it unavailable as a source); [2]; [3]. The latter two are Catholic-sponsored news organizations, but I don't think that impacts reliability. My take is that it should be included.
One version of the article included that her mother converted to Catholicism at the same time. I do concur that that does not belong. The article is about Kim, not her mother. But with respect to Kim herself, the information should be included.
Either way, I suggest that the various parties who are adding and deleting the passage pause to discuss it here and reach a consensus, rather than edit-warring. TJRC ( talk) 00:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
According to this WSJ article, the misspelling is only a rumor. Why it was spelled Yu-na is unknown. http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/02/19/koreans-await-kim-yu-na-or-is-it-yuna-kim/ -- Christian140 ( talk) 22:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
I think the controversy should be detailed on the Figure skating at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Ladies' singles#Controversies page and here just the statement and link that it happened. The controversy is not about Kim Yuna, it's about the event judging and scoring. Adding a dozen paragraphs detracts from Kim Yuna's article. Also it makes editing the issue harder since you'd have to edit in a dozen places. I've removed the nine paragraphs. Before re-adding them please discuss here and get a community consensus. Thanks, Kirin13 ( talk) 17:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
First of all - list is completely uncited. I've already removed one false detail, two unclear ones, and twoquestionable notable ones. I further intend to remove several others where it's questionable if these 'facts' are notable (if it's notable, then there should be reliable source for this information). I also intend to combine quite a few of them. I feel that in it's current state, it's too repetitive making it hard for a reader to understand. The point is to highlight her major achievements. Thoughts? Kirin13 ( talk) 07:50, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be summarized in some ways, instead of detailing dozens of individual donations? Regards, Iselilja ( talk) 16:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The amount of images (24 at last count) and the donations section are out of control. Many of the images show the same thing (Yuna skating) and the donations are pure trivia (not everything that's sourceable is notable). I discussed what I did here but an editor just reverts with no edit summary or discussion. -- NeilN talk to me 05:16, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Curious about her name. Does anyone know why she's referred to as 'Yuna' in English? That's not her name. -- Bentonia School ( talk) 14:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Because that IS her name (although it's Yu-na). RageAgainstTheWikiMachine ( Pen name of Mydoctor93) 02:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you really try to transliterate it directly from the Korean name 연아, it should be Yeon-A. Then in the English speaking world, "A" seems unnatural to stand by itself... So I guess they decided to move over the hyphen + change the vowel a little... Just as the last president of Korea Roh Moo-hyun preferred to spell it "Roh," which is a less-popular way to pronounce the last name 노(盧) in Korea than the popular "No" or "Noh." When the English-speaking media refers to your name as "No" all the time, it doesn't sound that good. -- Immer in Bewegung ( talk) 17:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Because SHE wants to be referred as Kim Yuna, not Yeon-A or Yeon-Ah. Even her official webpage is www.yunakim.com 72.89.109.160 ( talk) 21:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
How about the pronunciation of her name? I noticed that it's not up, but in Korean, it would be "YUH-Na", whereas in English, "YOO-Na" seems to be the right way to say it (even her coach calls her that). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.113.36.178 ( talk) 05:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
No one knows exactly why her name in English is spelled "Yu-Na". It may have been when she originally started living in Canada, and that was on her visa paperwork. Her coach calls her "yoo-nah" instead of the correct "yuhn-a"; why no one has corrected him is beyond me. The problem is, that everyone now in the English speaking world mispronounces her name because of where the hyphen is (and because of how her moron coach pronounces it). An IPA pronunciation isn't going to change things. Deliberately spelling it at least a little more correct (the way that makes sense, without hyphenating it wrong) would help correct the situation Clown ( talk) 07:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
If she wants to be called Yuna, then fine, but the article should not be titled "Yu-Na" because that is just wrong on all accounts (unless that is what she wants). Even still, the correct transliteration (Yeon-Ah I think is best) should be included if for no other reason than to show that those who are in charge of this article are not ignorant regarding hangeul and its transliteration schemes. 118.42.219.226 ( talk) 13:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
And why the asian names are always in their own order, given name last? Even hungarian names are in the 'western order' in wikipedia. So why these aren't? Since this is english (=western) wikipedia, not asian. 82.141.94.110 ( talk) 16:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Because Wikipedia knows how to write asian names properly? Although she said "When I'm at home, it's Kim Yuna. When I'm on the road it's Yuna Kim." ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TLkceeD_fc)
Her name in the ISU Profile has changed from Yu-Na Kim to Yuna Kim since 2010-2011 season. I guess her name in her passport still is Kim Yu-Na because it's not easy to change one's name in the passport. Many Korean given names have hyphens in them, but the rule clearly says it's optional. I'm Korean and I don't use a hyphen in my English name in the passport. Now Yuna has changed the profile, shoudn't we think 'Yuna Kim' as her official stage name? Karpuz12 ( talk) 07:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Soo....nothing in what I'm reading here gives a logical explanation of why the page has "Kim Yu-Na" instead of "Kim Yuna." I see that she's asked to be called "Kim Yuna" or "Yuna Kim," but putting the hyphen in there just makes it a completely wrong way to read her name. Is anyone opposed to taking the hyphen out, at least? 65.190.41.217 ( talk) 03:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
She said that in English people mispronounce her Korean name, and it's difficult for Westerners to properly pronounce; therefore she changed her name in English to simply Yuna and she likes to be called Yuna Kim. It's a more natural pronunciation and doesn't annoy her like when people mispronounce Korean so much. In South Korea of course they still call her by her Korean name. Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToFarAwayTimes ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, which sections need most attention? I thought it looked good, but it was admittedly too long to read in its entirety. @ Artemisialufkin: Editor120918756 ( talk) 11:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I found a news article saying she felt unsure on her left foot, but nothing about boot issues. https://www.smh.com.au/world/kim-battles-for-title-as-canadians-win-ice-dance-gold-20100327-r3fd.html Editor120918756 ( talk) 11:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Is there a way to consolidate the Discography into Yuna Kim#Music? Editor120918756 ( talk) 13:13, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
I think we could create a new section and add some things like her Kamala Harris meeting, prize money donation, and the work she's done for UNICEF beyond "awards and honors" to this section. Actually, I think her being somewhat of a feminist symbol in South Korea deserves a mention? Editor120918756 ( talk) 19:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could separate the parts about her artistry from Yuna Kim#Skating technique, because then we could also put in her works with her choreographers, and also try to find comments from David Wilson about her artistic aspects. I think it makes sense, because she's definitely an artist, and it would be the same way as it's done with musicians and singers. By the way, if there's a style guide to be followed with athletes, then I don't know it, and I'd appreciate to be directed towards it. Editor120918756 ( talk) 16:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Artemisialufkin: should we include something about her anti-doping stance at the olympics? Editor120918756 ( talk) 13:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi I've been asked to do a review of this bio before the editors submit it to GAN. This is a very informal review, for the purpose of helping further improve this bio. Please take what you can and leave the rest, as they say, and feel free to disregard any of it. I value all of our time, so I'll make ce's as I go and then come here to ask questions and for clarification, so revert as you see fit and/or you disagree with my changes. Should be fun! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 18:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Lead
According to MOS:LEADCITE, you don't have to cite material in the lead, unless it's likely to be challenged or if it's a direct quotation. I can see why you cite some material, like the claim that Kim is regarded as one of the greatest figure skaters of all time, but not others, like the list of her accomplishments in paragraph 3.
Early life and education
Could this section be expanded? What were her parents' occupations? Why did she move to Gunpo? Does she have any siblings and what's her birth order? I ask because yes, these are typical things included in bios and because personally, I don't care for short sections (or paragraphs; see below).
You use the term "Long Program" twice; the Figure Skating WikiProject uses "free skate" or "free skating program"; see our MOS. I'm also noticing times when you refer to the free skate in other ways; please go through and fix them.
"Salchow" is always capitalized because all jumps named after people are; also see our MOS.
Short paragraphs: You have them throughout. Like I said above, I'm not a fan of overly-short paragraphs, so this is just a suggestion. I'm not sure you'd be able to do this for all your short paragraphs, but I recommend doing the easiest thing to solve this "problem:" combine paragraphs. For example, you could combine the last paragraph of the 2006–2007 season subsection with the paragraph above.
In that same subsection: "She was Orser's first real student." What does that mean? I looked at all three sources that ar supposed to support it, but I didn't find anything that does. Perhaps I missed it?
2009–2010 season: Super Slam: You could combine the one-section fourth paragraph with the last one, since Kim's win at the Olympics is thematically connected with her lack of motivation at Worlds that year.
2010 Winter Olympics: Gold medal: 2nd paragraph: "Overall, Kim totaled 228.56 points, shattering her personal best and own old world record by a margin of 18 points, which became the longest standing record performance in the historical +3 GOE system, from February 2010 to January 2017." This sentence is a little confusing. I think you're saying that the old GOE system lasted from 2010-2017? I also think that some amount of jargon is unavoidable for figure skating articles, but the uninitiated fan won't understand this sentence. How about removing all reference to the GOE and just stating: "...which became the longest standing record performance up to that point."
2010–2011 and 2011–2012 seasons: For all my compliants about too-short paragraphs, I think the first one in this section is too long. You could separate it after the Rippon quote.
2013–2014 season: You should resolve the [citation needed] tag in the 4th paragraph.
Artistry: Like I said above, I don't mind using quotes, but I suspect that you'll be pinged for how you use them here. Consequently, I suggest that you paraphrase at least a few of them.
Olympic ambassador: Another [citation needed] tag to resolve, 1st paragraph.
In the media: I think you could combine the final three subsections. Perhaps you could rename it "Other endeavors"? (Boring, I know, so I'm sure you could come up with something more creative.) ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 22:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Personal life: Again, with the short sections. You could easily combine the contents of the Relationship subsection to the first paragraph. I also wonder if you could put the content in the Name spelling subsection up in the Early life and education section. Just a thought; take it or leave as you wish.
I've gone on the record that I'm the worst at tables, so I suggest that you ask someone else to make sure they're compliant. User:Henni147 is our resident expert with figure skating charts; I'm sure they'll help.
Images: They are lots of good images in this bio, but I wonder if you could add even more. I like to try to add at least one image per section, if they don't bundle. I also wonder if there are more podium images of Kim to put in the results sections? Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 23:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm not going to go through every single ref, just the ones that capture my attention. The citation format is well-done, though, nice job.
It looks like you've archived every reference, which is a good idea for all figure skating articles because they depend so heavily on web sources, and you've included the archive IRLs in your inline citations. Personally, I don't include the IRLs because they tend to clutter up the citations. I make sure that all URLs have been archived through the Wayback Machine and if they aren't I archive them; then I put a template on the talk page stating that I've done that as of a certain date (see Talk:Johnny Weir). This is just a suggestion and up to you if want to follow it.
I'm AGF re: the Korean sources, since I don't speak Korean. ;) I like that you include the English translation supporting your statement. I have a question, though, that goes off the point. One of the challenges for skater bios, at least for Americans, is finding enough reliable sources. The team of editors working on the articles about Yuzuru Hanyu don't have that problem because figure skating is so popular in Japan and so much has been written about him. Which problem are you folks having? My assummption it's the same for the U.S. skaters, since figure skating is relaitively undeveloped in South Korean. Just curious, so thanks for indulging my question. ;)
Ref40: This source is the competition results; it states that came Kim in first place, but not that it was her first international competition. Remember that all your claims must be supported by your sources, so you either need to find a source that supports it or you need to remove the citation. You do the same thing with other refs, like ref43, ref55, ref58. Please go through the rest of the bio and correct for that.
As per my statement about Orser above, I'm a little concerned that your sources don't always support your claims. I'm not going to go through every source, but I suggest that you do, just to make sure. If you don't do it now, others will insist that you do, especially if you decide to take this to FAC. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 22:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
The same issue we discuss above appears in much of the info recorded in the charts. For example, ref16 is simply a list of the highest SP scores since 2021. I can tell you that no GAN reviewer will let that stand, and for good reason. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 23:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm going to take a break here and come back to more feedback later, probably tomorrow. Thanks for your patience; this is a long bio and deserves spending time on. Thanks and best, Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 22:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Figureskatingfan: Yes, I can adjust the tables so that they meet Wikipedia's requirements of accessibility and other aspects in the MOS. I hope to do it today, but it's a quite tiresome work, so it may take some time. Henni147 ( talk) 08:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Editor120918756: I think we discussed this previously, but I'm considering creating a separate article for Yuna's achievements, similar to what's been done with Yuzuru Hanyu and Nathan Chen. I've been going through the records and achievements section and I've found that there are a lot of achievements missing, but I'm reluctant to bulk up the article further by adding them in. What do you think? Artemisia ( talk) 14:45, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Everyone, I've found other issues with the sources and "fixing" them as I'm going along. They include inconsistent and incorrect formatting, incorrect uses of the citation templates (i.e., using the website template instead of news), and inadequate source mining. After I'm done with the corrections I find as I'm adding sources to the Detailed results tables, it's my intention to go through the entire article to correct them. So I take back what I said about this task not taking very long. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 18:39, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Everyone, I'm starting a new topic here because our previous discussion has been archived. As promised, I've gone through Kim's detailed results to locate secondary sources to support the content. I also expanded content in the Competitive career section and subsections. I'd like to continue the process by going through the entire article, checking the sources and adding content as needed. It's my intention to at least start this process, which will take some time, by the end of September. I'd like to take a break from figure skating articles and bios for a couple of weeks and focus on other things, unless anyone thinks that this bio needs to be submitted for GAN sooner. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 21:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
As stated above, currently I'm going through all the sources in this bio and checking them. My intention, once I'm finished with that part of the process, of going back and making sure that the sources are adequately mined, kind of what I started to do when I looked for secondary sources for Kim's scores. I've gotten to the discussion about her split with Brian Orser in the 2010–2011 and 2011–2012 seasons subsection. I think that devoting two paragraphs to it is Wikipedia:UNDUE, so I'd like to rewrite them, using only reliable sources (the AP, major newspapers in the U.S. and Canada, IceNetwork), but not blogs (even if they were published by reliable sources) or social media posts. For now, I've removed the less reliable sources and added the "citation needed" tag to mark the claims in the hopes that I can find better sources to support them. Eventually, I think we should summarize the events around the split and not get into the controversy/"he said she said" aspect of it, since that's unencyclopedic. What does everyone think? Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 16:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Figureskatingfan I just saw this in the archives. I think I'm fine with the he said she said parts being removed, and the blogs/social media being removed as well. Editor120918756 ( talk) 16:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Friends, in my on-going and slow process of improving Kim's bio, I think we should expand this section because I believe, once we mine the current sources more effectively and find other sources about Kim's post-amateur career, it has the potential to become another split-off article. It will require lots of research, so for now, I've copied and pasted the contents into one of my sandboxes. Other than a few minor tweaks and copyedits, I've left the content in Kim's bio alone. Then we can return here to split it off into a new article.
I also think that we should re-name the section to "Professional career", which better reflects the practice in other skaters bios. Best, Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 00:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I have finally competed, as previously promised, going through this bio. I checked all sources and mined most of them completely. I made some cuts and did some rewriting/rewording. The last thing I need to do is to complete a full copyedit, which I'll finish this week. Please look it over and tell me what you think.
We had talked about creating new articles, both here and at Talk:Media image and impact of Yuna Kim#Suggestions for topics to be added. There seemed to consensus at the other talk page to create "Show skating career of Yuna KIm", but I no longer think so because the new version is shorter now. Here are the new articles I propose be created:
If there's consensus, I'll go ahead and create the new articles. Does anyone have any other ideas? Anyway, this was fun (although at time arduous), but I think we're moving towards a high-quality bio about Yuna, who sorely deserves it. She, as many skaters do, has inspired me and increased my already-high admiration of her. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 00:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, I've just placed the options for the proposed new articles in two of my sandboxes. As of this writing, I haven't yet copyedited either draft or added images yet. Questions and comments below:
Shall I nominate this for A-class assessment now? @ Figureskatingfan @ Artemisialufkin Editor120918756 ( talk) 07:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Earlier this week, the "very long" template was unnecessarily placed by User:Isaidnoway on this bio. Kim is a major athlete in her sport and there are lots of sources that cover her life and career, so the length of her bio is warranted. Babe Ruth, for example, a bio about a major athlete in his sport, an FA, and a level-4 vital article (this one is level-5), is over 18,500 words, while this one is much shorter, at almost 13,000 words. Please explain the reasons for the tag, which should be removed. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 17:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)