![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
USA as the only world's superpower in an example is an obvious bias. Being a major political power is not enough to illustrate that - compare European Union, China or Russia.
This text showed up in itsown article, and isn't very encyclopedic, but some mention of various world-government beliefs and attempts seems appropriate:
Given the strife caused by the presence of nationalism, many people feel that at some undetermined point in the future, all countries should be unified into a larger, global-level state. This would hopefully reduce war and other types of conflict, as well as permitting a better distribution of resources and a Common Earth Language (do you mean international auxiliary language? [[User:Brettz9| Brettz9 (talk)]] 18:30, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)). Several supernational quasi-states encompassing a region have been formed, such as the European Union, the Organisation of African Unity and the now defunct Pan-Arab State. These entities are used as examples of how Earth could be united into a single country. Some ideologies, especially communism, the Bahai Faith and anarchism have a planetary state (or lack thereof) as a long-term goal.
"It is possible that the current Pax Americana may lead to the domination of the world by the United States."
I think this statement is rather weird. Who says this is possible? Switzerland has not been involved in a war for a much longer period of time; still no one would seriously argue that "the current Pax Helvetica may lead to the domination of the world by Switzerland".
What I'm trying to get at is that it is forces other than the love of peace which could lead to the globe being dominated by the U.S. But even that possibility seems far-fetched. KF 15:10 Oct 7, 2002 (UTC)
This is a sketch of a plan for this article. Feel free to edit.
Some of this might be going a bit far for this article, but we'll see. -- Sam
I don't think that the United Arab Emirates (UAE) has much to do with a discussion on world government. " Trucial Oman" was pulled together by the British as a way of simplifying the colonial administration there, and it more or less carried over into the modern state of the UAE just by default in the same way that Nigeria and South Africa did. It would probably be more meaningful to discuss the cases of Nigeria and South Africa since they cross ethnic, racial, and religious boundaries, but the relationship to world government is a bit strained.
It may also be appropriate to include things like the Gulf Cooperation Council, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, and Mercosur, which represent major attempts to create common currencies and single markets. The African Union is a major political-economic attempt on the lines of the European Union which I don't think gets as much attention as it deserves, but that stands to argument.
Some discussion of China would be appropriate, I think, given the size and historical longevity of that state, although I'm not well-versed in its history. A discussion of the Umayyad Dynasty for this article should probably include the Abbasid Dynasty as well, I think, since the Abbasids offer some different solutions and (in many respects) were more successful as world leaders. The Holy Roman Empire and the Papacy in the Middle Ages might deserve some attention, as they attempted to create religious/secular solutions to government over a large area. The Habsburg empire in Spain and Austria is probably relevant since their empire was a successful and powerful hegemon over Europe, and by the reign Charles V they had territory on every settled continent.
Wow, pretty ambitious outline. Go for it! -- Ed Poor
Deleted the following comment in regards to international law, "to which nation states pay lip service", which is a gross simplification. International law is large, complex and varied -- some of the time nations merely pay lip service to it, but other times they do follow and obey them, even when they dislike them --look at the decisions of the WTO, or the European Union, or the European Court of Human Rights, for examples.
Way too much of this article is dedicated to conspiracy theories. There is nothing intrinsically more threatening about world government than there is about national government or local government. Rather, one can easily see national governments without an equally accountable world government as more dangerous. I would suggest linking the conspiracy information in question to a new page dedicated to world government conspiracy theories or just putting the "theories" within the conspiracy theories pages. What do you think?
Okay, this article deals with a lot of stuff, but doesn't approach the whole Christian Fundamentalist aspect of it, which as I understand it is the reason the whole concept is so popular in far-right circles in the U.S.: the fear of a World Government under the leadership of the Anti-Christ taking over and ruling humanity. This is sketched out in LaHaye et al's Left Behind books, where the head of the United Nations (a feared entity amongst the paranoid Christian Right) turns out to be the Anti-Christ. Why no discussion of this? The term would be nearly unknown without that backing. Graft 12:16, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
About that proposals of strenghtening the UN GA: whose are that proposals? What organisation is advocating for them? Without telling that that part of article is in serious violation of NPOV, IMHO. -- Forseti 11:10, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
"Unfortunately, the U.S. administration under G.W. Bush is making active attempts to undermine the ICC."
While I agree with this statement in principle, 'unfortunately' is a pretty strong value judgment. I changed the statement to include the opposition of developing countries to the ICC as well. I also added a short snippet about the ICJ which is pretty important, I think, since it claims to have compulsory jurisdiction the world over, and decides on cases of national importance.
The section on the UN states that the UN lacks legitimacy. I think that this ought to come with the qualification that it does have some legitimacy, or else no one would give a damn what Kofi Annan said, and the recent Iraq war demonstrates that Blair and even Bush appreciate to some extent that the UN has meaning. I didn't edit this because I don't know how clearly or how exactly that should be expressed, or if you guys would agree with me.
-- Adam Faanes 12:12, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
We might mention also of other regional movements like Brazil's to join up with South Africa, and a number of other nations to be a counterweight to the U.S. and EU.
Also, are there any fictional novels which provide a utopia or realistic utopia where the world is united, not by a totalitarian regime, or by some flowery everything-is-perfect dream (nor by the status quo dictator-like domination of superpowers or on the other hand disproportionately represented stone-walling dictatorships), but by a federal world government which preserves some sovereignty for nations but also sufficient supra-national sovereignty among democratic, human-rights respecting nations to create order and justice (like the federal U.S. government does over the states)? I guess Star-Trek is kind of like that, no? How about others? Could we add such a subcategory under the fiction segment? [[User:Brettz9| Brettz9 (talk)]] 18:30, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree with removing the lunar government section. I just didn't do it myself because I wasn't bold enough :-) Gerritholl 12:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I agree with User:Sheridan that this chapter has nothing to do with world government and should not be in this article. Another reason is that the "néoliberalism" catchword is a very fuzzy concept. -- Pgreenfinch 18:25, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Dorond has arrived on the scene and proceeded to rewrite and discard much of the hard work of the community in achieving a balanced NPOV compromise article. Instead, he puts forward all the hopes of the one world government advocates and a subset of the presumptions they have about how well it would work and how little they think there is to fear. He presents only the view that the U.S. is purposely undermining the U.N. and not the countervailing view that the U.S. is preventing U.N. sanctions from becoming a meaningless joke and that the U.S. attempts to investigate and reform the U.N. are the best hope in the end for world government.-- Silverback 07:00, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry - I didn't see this post in the discussion forum earlier, Silverback. I think it would be a good idea to discuss things here before starting any "editing wars". I've been reading extensively about the idea of a democratic federal world government (the only one being advocated with any degree of seriousness) for nearly two years now. I don't believe that, in my edits, I discarded any items of critical importance to the presentation. In my recent one, I made an honest attempt to incorporate your contributions, placing them in their proper context.
It appears to me you find persuasive arguments in favor of WG to be scary for some reason (you've tried to water them down as much as possible, and removed a relevant diagram I created and added). If you feel there are strong counter-arguments that are well known and reasoned in the literature, but have not been covered in the article, you should add them succinctly within the proper context (paragraphs dealig with fears/concerns).-- Dorond 00:14, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Since national governments are, by far, the rule, not the exception, and since, by all comaparative measurements of benefits to citizens, a modern democratic government is far, far, better than lawlessness and anarchy, you are coming from a place where very few people stand. In fact, you are the first I ever ran into who claimed that having no government would improve accountability and lawfulness (who would be accountable and who would preserve the law, then?). You are, of course, entitled to your opinions. However, an encyclopedic article should be balanced in favour of mainstream thinking on its subject.
More to the point - the idea of a DWG has been around for at least a hundred years and has been written on extensively by many great thinkers. I suggest you read the book posted at http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/COURSES/GENS4008/book.html for more background and bibliography. What you call a "glowing essay" would be a typical set of conclusions in essays on the subject. I am yet to see any significant scholarly work claiming that a world government is inherently a bad idea, that war can be eliminated any other way, that wars are of economical benefits to humanity, etc. The key differences between thinkers are usually how quickly this would come about (50-100 years being the typical range). This is not only the mainstream academic position, but it is also prevalent amongst NGOs. You may, for example, want to look at the surveys conducted by http://www.2020fund.org/ . Here's a quote from their most recent one: "NGO leaders strongly endorse multilateralism – either reformed and strengthened United Nations or a directly representative world government – as their preferred form of global governance in the year 2020." -- Dorond 23:38, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
First, Silverback, you may want to check the history of this article. I've written significant portions of it since February last year, so please don't preach to me about what "the community" wrote.
I read the articles you proposed, Nat. The one on anarchism admits that, despite many past "opportunities" for anarchic societies to evolve and sustain themselves, they all failed and there are really no good examples of sustainable anarchic societies on a national scale to be found today. This strongly implies it should not be considered a mainstream option for organizing society, at least not on a large-scale. The article on anarcho-capitalism discusses a wide range of many idea, some contradicting each other, and all appearing to be pointing in a direction opposite to the one in which all modern democratic societies organized themselves (government budgets are ever-increasing). Furthermore, there are mountains of evidence showing that people greatly benefit from state involvement in many aspects of the economy and societal life (and some of the world's best economies, such as in scandinavia, are also some of the most highly taxed). Finally, a federal world government is not in contradiction to nationalism, and does not aim to abolish it, only to neutralize its negative aspects (dehumanizing people outside one's nation/race).
Quite a bit of the literature on world government includes a comprehesive set of common objections (I recommend Ron Glossop's book "World Federation? A critical analysis of Federal World Government"), so I am very well aware of many, if not all, of them. In fact, I placed some of the "fears" and concerns in that section myself without even bothering to refute or contradict them, and I'm fine with you guys putting up additional opposing arguments. Debate is healthy, as long as it is intelligent and well presented.
How about we'll rename the section "Analysis". It will start with presenting the key reasons why a WG is considered a good idea by its supporters (as currently), and will then list each of the (reasonable) objections and concerns raised, followed by a counter-argument (as in cross-examination)? -- Dorond 05:59, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I believe that people reading this article are interested in the idea of world government: what has been proposed, what are the merits of the idea, what are the counter-arguments, the idea's history, its implementation prospects, etc. The current organization of the contents does not, however, optimally fits the presumed reader's interest. It is really a collection of quasi-independent sections that are neither complete in coverage of all aspects nor presented in a clear and logical order. The sections on empires and SciFi are also not directly relevant to the discussion of the idea.
Accordingly, I propose a new outline:
Most of the info in the current article can be reused in the rewrite. The information regarding empires is not directly relevant and is already covered in the article on empires and so can be discarded. I'm not sure about the section on Sci-Fi - perhaps it should stay on as a kind of "appendix" since this appears to be the way the SciFi article is organized (references to specific articles).
I realise this is a substantial effort, but I believe the result would be worth it. To prevent presenting a half-baked draft too early, we could start building it up under a separate entry - "Federal world government" - which would be referred from this one as a works-in-progress. Once it is relatively complete and stable, we'd replace the current article with the new content.
Comments?
-- Dorond 05:03, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
As I mentioned above, the current structure ommits many important items (such as the proposed principles and history of the idea and the analysis part is incomplete), and contains others that are only obliquely relevant and/or covered better elsewhere (empires).
I suggest that I will start the rewrite by creating a skeleton article (in a separate entry)with a few sentences in each section, allowing others to add more content as they wish. -- Dorond 14:54, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
There is no separate section in "World Government" for the various objections to world government, or for some of the other points that the outlines above contain. Instead, the article has very lengthy sections containing a mix of ideas, but missing many points because there is no good place to add them. Is there another article? Did the vision above start somewhere else, or was it cancelled?
Wragge 18:04, 2005 May 10 (UTC)
Sorry - I started the rewrite, then got burdened by other tasks. I'll put in the time this month to bring it to at least a good skeleton, then post it to allow others to add more flesh. -- Dorond 04:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The new article is on-line. Please visit and contribute. Thanks.
-- Dorond 20:56, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
I would discourage replacing this article with the Federal World Government entry. This one lays out the variety of proposals for world government, and should link to FWG. However, there is also need for readers to understand other proposed versions of this, positive or negative. Link to FWG. Invite someone to write an article on Unitary World Government (perhaps Gary Shepard) and link to that. -Tony
I deleted the graphic of the Federal World Government proposal. Its placing creates the impression that this is world government, instead of what it is in fact, namely a proposal by a few indiviudals, one of hundreds or perhaps thousands of proposals. It does not belong at the start of the article, it could be used further down, at the section on UN-based proposals, but only if identified as a single proposal among many, placed for illustration. Ruzmanci 10:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the IMF is directly affiliated with the UN at all, and the WTO is a completely separate entity. And as noted the World Bank is affiliated but has autonomous governance. NTK 23:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
There needs to be a better treatment of Christian "end-times" related fears. As the success of the "Left Behind" series in the USA has shown the number of evangelical and other Christians with these kinds of beliefs is not small, and "one-world government" is a buzzword in such contexts. Perhaps there should even be a separate article under "One-world government" to show the premillenialist take on it. NTK 23:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
This is quite a loaded word, and some better one should be chosen for the idea. I can tell what idea is trying to get across, but this is not the word for it. I'm not up to it -- certain malapropisms are like an electric shock. -- Sobolewski 04:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
We obviously need to clean up the old stuff. As one who wrote substantial parts of the old article, I'm not chopping it off with a smile, but I cannot really see what's left there that must be placed in the cleaned up article. The only part I was equivocal about removing was the part on tranforming the UN to a world government, which took a longer-term view of the UN than the other articles on UN reform. This part, however, really belongs in the article dedicated to UN reform.
Anyhow, I suggest that if another editor sees something valuable in the old stuff, they should put in the effort to insert that part into the new article, not bring the whole article back. -- Dorond 23:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
It is a perfectly valid example of an organisation that is promoting a world government.
Quoting the page : "Famous examples are ... and the British Empire (However it should be noted that the United Kingdom itself was a Democracy)". I'm not quite sure about this. I would argue that the UK hasn't been a true democracy until relatively recently with certain developments of the electoral system. Many men were excluded from the vote in the 19th century and women didn't get the vote on the same terms as men until 1928. I'm just wondering under what conditions can a country be regarded as a democracy? Theres also all the issues about the power of the monarchy which has been far greater in the past and has obviously never been elected. Since the British Empire stretches over a large time period I think this might be hard to support. I'm tired, sorry if this is a fuss about nothing. SIGURD42 23:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I know the EU isn't exactly a world government but its certainly a supranational "government" (even if self declared so) and I think that we should mention it as a type of smaller scale example, including the views for and against the organisation.
I can see that this article is locked, but how come no mention is made of Karl Marx who called for the elimination of all countries? "The Communist Manifesto" and " The Globalist Manifesto" are both envisioning world government, the former will be "ruled by the proletariat", the latter will be ruled by those elected by the global citizenry on a "one person one vote " principle. The former is violent because it encourage upheavals like their theory of "weakest link", the latter requires the use of diplomacy. The former is being advocated heavilly by communist countries to the point that they are willing to kill for their ideas, while the latter is advocated by democratic countries and they denounce the use of violence.The Communist Manifesto gave birth to Communism as ideology, The Globalist Manifesto gave birth to Globalism as ideology. So one goal: world government, but two opposite directions and ideologies to reach the goal. Let the people of the world decide: The Communist Manifesto or The Globalist Manifesto?. But, in fairness, Karl Marx should be mentioned here, to say the least.
That critique reminds me of an old Soviet Joke, A man queue's up at Lenin's mausoleum until he reaches Lenin's embalmed body, One of the guards tells him "Lenin is dead, But his ideas will live forever" and the man replies "If only it were the other way around"- Ted Fox
While I'm happy that the owners of some of the websites regarding World government get high rankings in search engines, I don't really think it's information that goes in an articel - sounds like advertising. Andyandy68 21:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC) Minor correction: articel should be spelled article. Please forgive Andy.
Much thanks to the individual who rewrote this article - it is a great deal more encyclopedic than it was before. I was particularly impressed with the description of federalism as a predominant but NOT sole understanding that should be discussed about this concept.
HOWEVER, the section about the WCPA needs to be removed, as it violates the above, and is a quite an exaggeration of its efforts. No serious student of international relations would acknowledge that organization's effort as contributing toward a world government except in the minds of those who think its "laws" have any standing. The United World Federalists had more impact on the arms race and international law than the WCPA ever has. And we have recognized the need to downplay that movement's role in the effort as one of many. Tfleming 17:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a wealth of perspective, organizations and advocacies now present dedicated to this issue, with a growing profile on the Internet. A simple Yahoo search, for instance, will reveal upwards of 20-30 links to such groups, including at least one organization (the WFM) which is an umbrella to further organizations. Additionally, there is a rich history that (frankly) has gotten a little too big for all but the most objective mind to entirely wrap itself around -- which has, of course, made some degree of contention inevitable.
It's to be expected there will be a large degree of disagreement, not just about the potential form(s) a unified political structure would take, but even over what the scope of the issue is. One could start back as far as the Congress of Vienna, which (at the very least) established an order of nation-states that survives down to the present. Its breakdown presaged the first World War, whose peace treaty was one and the same as the founding treaty of the first organization having pretense toward world governance. The Treaty of Versailles was also the founding treaty of the League of Nations.
It doesn't need to be recounted here how the League broke down, though it may surprise some to learn that at one time or another, nearly every independent nation had League membership (and even some not-quite-yet-independent countries, like India). That is, nearly every nation, except the United States.
The dark clouds that gathered in the 1930's, in the eyes of the people living at the time, was really visible as nothing more than a phantom shadow cast over the land where nothing was seen casting the shadow. It's difficult to precisely characterise just what ailed the world at the time. History, looking backwards from the present era, has tended to simply cubbyhole the growing malaise with the "rise of fascism" or some readily identifiable culprit.
But in essence, what was happening was that the world order was just breaking down. And in the absence of any cohesive governance, chaos ensued from the early 1930's onward. What started out as a few transgressions (Manchuria, Ethiopia) quickly grew into a torrent (Czechoslovakia, Austria, Vilnius, Finland, the Saar, Danzig, Poland) that overwhelmed the League.
The Nazi administration, it has been asserted here, had no pretense toward a world government. In fact, however, the second World War, like the First, may been seen as a struggle whose outcome would be to establish some kind of world order or another. With the League effectively defunct, there was competition to fill in the vacuum.
The New Order met first in Madrid in 1940 and boasted representation at its meeting spanning the entire Eurasian landmass, from Spain, through Europe, the Soviet Union to Japan (Japanese delegation was present at the meeting). One can justifiably question whether its intent was to serve as a replacement for the League fulfilling the vision of Nazi Germany and its growing alliance ... particularly with the troubled relation between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. But the fact remains, that there had been early effort by the European Axis to bring colonial Africa within the fold, even including the building of a cross-Sahara railroad.
At the time Japan had its Co-Prosperity Sphere which sought to undo the European colonialism in Asia and the Pacific under Japanese suzerainty; and one can validly argue whether this was to eventually be integrated with the New Order at some future date. But, make no mistake, the two movements were allied, and this alliance was consummated by the end of 1941 with the joining of the Japanese and European wars into a bona fide World War.
And it was finally at that point, where the phantom casting the dark shadow fully materialized.
It was only a few weeks afterwards that the United Nations had become established. Though it is not well known, the name "United Nations" was actually the official name of the World War II alliance, itself. This is why, to the present day, you still see the enshrinement of 5 powers over all the others: these are the descendants of the 5 major members of the original alliance. The name itself was coined on New Years in 1942 just a few weeks after the attacks on Pearl Harbor, Hong Kong and other dependencies and colonial outposts. (According to the World Book Almanac, the idea for the name was first mentioned by Roosevelt in a White House bathroom, while Churchill was in the bathtub!) Later that day, Russia and China gave their assent to this designation. Eventually France (that is, the Free French under de Gaulle) was brought into this arrangement.
Sometimes this is distinguished from the later United Nations that was formally organized in 1946, by calling it the "United Nations Organization". But it is really just the embryonic form of the United Nations, while at the same time the United Nations is really little more than a continuation and outgrowth of the original alliance, with the last vestige kept intact by the virtual pentarchy that the veto power gives the descendant nations of the original major allies.
So, it is quite appropriate to bring up the history concerning the Nazis (and even the Japanese) in an article discussing the evolution of world governance. The World Wars were central to that evolution.
The probable reason the communist aspirations on world government were brought up is because the USSR, itself, was originally conceived as an international union of socialist governments whose intent was originally to encompass the globe. This principle was enshrined in the earliest versions of the Soviet Constitution, only taken out later on during the Stalinist revision to the constitution (1937, if I recall).
Other issues, little discussed here or elsewhere, need to be addressed. The prevalent idea behind a world government is that it would have much the same relation to nation-states that each nation-state has to its political subdivisions, thus effecting a kind of "United States of Earth". However, the "USE" precept is not the end-all and be-all of world governance. There are many people who have noted the increasing obsolescence of the nation-state, itself, and the order of nation-states in its entirety. Notable amongst these include Toffler of "Future Shock" and "Third Wave" fame who (rightly) pointed out the "middle class" squeeze being experienced by nation-states from both above and below. Even as they are being torn apart by the loss of the traditional Industrial era mass-concensus, they are being brought increasingly under a vast matrix of international organizations, many with overlapping scopes (e.g. the Arab League and African Union; NATO and the European Union). The breakup from below is now well-established and quite prevalent -- whether it be the liberal/conservative urban/rural split racking China, the orthodox/secular split that has threathened to pull apart Israel (not to mention the Arab world), the liberal/conservative split that significantly held up the creation of a new German government recently, to the red/blue state split that has practically plunged the United States into a undeclared second civil war since 2000.
On top of all this, one now has non-national organizations that have increasingly acquired the trappings and powers formerly accorded exclusively to nation-states. NGO's wield increasing influence (Amnesty International, Freedom House, the latter practically becoming a liege of the present American administration), non-national militias wreak havoc at an increasing level of profile, multi-national corporations have acquired economies that in some cases outstrip in size those of entire nations, religious affiliations have made pretentions toward subverting national sovereignty and claiming worldwide scope to wherever their followership lives (e.g. Fatwas issued from one country against members of the religion residing in others; the Fatwa against Rushdie; the call on American Catholics to observe certain principles in their voting; etc.)
And then there's Cyberspace, which is taking on a semblance of an independent non-national agent in its own right.
What had once been a simple order of nation-states has rapidly turned into a vast complex matrix of organizations and affiliations at all levels, from municipal, to subnational, to nation to supernational; and of all types, be it religious (e.g. the World Parliament of Religions), labor-related (e.g. International Organization of Labor), judicial (Internaitional Criminal Court), commercial (Microsoft), or otherwise. Such a complex matrix will vastly outstrip any precept of a "United States of Earth" and renders the organ diagram presented on the main page naive, at best.
A prospective world government need not be a mere United States of Earth housing nation-states the same way the United States houses over its states. And given the incredible diversity of the world population, and of the world civilization as described above housing this population, it almost certainly cannot be! This world is simply too diverse to be considered a single nation. Just think of what would be entailed in the judicial area, alone! How do you think a Supreme Court could possibly operate or be constituted, just to point out an example?
A World Federation would be, almost certainly, by far the most complex, elaborate human institution. And to add to this complication: in this day and age as we are on the verge of becoming a bona fide spacefaring civilization, the question inevitably arises: how shall the off-world domains be constituted in relation to the Earth? Despite the prevalence of the tacit assumption, a world government need not be the end-all and be-all of human governance! With the rise of the off-world travel, tourism, commerce and residence in the near future, the very term "geography" will be obsolete, to be replaced by the far more comprehensive term "cosmography".
So, the question of where a World Federation fits in the context of the wider cosmography will need to be addressed. This actually pertains both to home and outer space and runs central to the question of how the world, itself, will be administered. For instance, you have the Antarctic Treaty and the International Law of the Seas. Are these to be extended off-world, even used as a basis for the legal code governing off-world activities? How far in three dimensions does criminal law hold? If a girl gets raped in orbit aboard a private spacecraft, who prosecutes? (Or does anyone?) Where does the Federation's boundary end? In the terrestial domain of Earth orbit, or is it to include the Lunar domain? The Martian and Cytherian domains? Who presides over and governs the communications (that is, the Internet) that is to exist between and within the domains? Indeed, who presides over the Internet? Or, shall it eventually be the other way around: the Internet presiding over the world?
Needless to say, as has been pointed out in the header to the article, there is a need for major revision and cleanup. Given time, I shall attempt to do so, incorporating in a cohesive fashion the issues (and objections) that have been raised here and elsewhere, while providing a much larger range of links and raising a much larger range of issues (like those above) that have not received adequate consideration. -- Mark, 2006 May 4
"International Criminal Court as constituting elements of the idea of world goverment" Worldwide or not, Justice institutions are not exactly elements of a government. See definitions of government.
-- Mark, 2006 May 4
OK, i have removed teh communist world government and democratic world government sections (including the arguments for and against section) it feels better already. -- Mjspe1 06:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I would have to agree with you on this. it seems quite unencyclopedic. It's a pity because this could be a good article.-- Mjspe1 07:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Agree as well. The article is very unbalenced, and seems quite bias. The arguments aginsts are given counterarguments, yet the arguments for have no counterarguments. It seems to focus more on speculation, nonobjective, and reads poorly. Suggest major rewrite. -- Eldarone 09:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, i'm going to suggest as a first start that we completely remove the arguments and counter arguments section. This is NOT the best way to write an encyclopedic article.-- Mjspe1 06:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
This article is good in the sense that it thoroughly covers a wide range of issues. However, the article gives perhaps an inordinate amount of consideration to world federation. Also is the problem/response section really necessary. This in particular sounds like an advertisement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Modernhiawatha ( talk • contribs) .
I added a few responseless problems. So, that should help mildly.-- Xiaphias 20:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Very hard to be diplomatic about Xiaphias' new posts. First of all, at the very least please use a spell checker. In my opinion, the new posts are uninformed, juvenile and seriously undermine the credibility of the article making it sound like a high school debate. I'm for wholesale deletion. Benkalt 12:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Darond: Do you really deny the US is a sovereign nation? I mean, seriously, are you really that detached from reality? You mention the US engaging in foreign trade, consuming foreign goods, and being party to international agreements. You list these things as if they prove the US is not sovereign. Well, guess what, [childish comment, dude] sovereign polities have been doing that FOR ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY! That is no evidence at all that the US is somehow less than sovereign, or that world government is even likely much less inevitable. If you really believe that the US is not sovereign, that shows that you are not objective enough to write a NPOV article for Wikipedia. Such beliefs are utterly fringe and normally rejected even by the dreamiest of world government advocates! In fact, lots of experts are skeptical that world government will EVER happen. And they have a point. Your fantasy of world government and world peace is just that - a fantasy. There is no reason to believe it will ever be more than a fantasy. Meskhenet 23:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it is fair and useful to debate specific statements made in the article. In fact, the argument that a FWG is a utopian "fantasy" is explicitly mentioned in the article, and I welcome a good discussion about it (I certainly have lots to say and much data to back it up). However, this discussion is about the fundamental question of whether the article presents a "balanced" perspective on the subject matter. I offer below some observations that I hope will help bring this exchange to a constructive conclusion:
Based on the above observation, I believe Meskhenet's recent "overhaul" significantly degraded the overall quality and reliability of the article, and would like to revert it. If Mashkenet feels that a particular argument (such as whether FWG is realistic or not) is not well presented, he is welcome to improve it. If he feels a significant piece of information relating to WG is missing from the article, he is free to add it. He should be ready, however, for it to be subjected to a review (and potential criticm) by other editors, and back his position with more than what appears to be unsubstantiated heresay.
Any comments from other editors?-- Dorond 23:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I actually thought that the ICAO, a UN agency, acts to coordinate aviation rules globally. Anyhow, I agree that there are lots of ways in which global activities are coordinated, including the Wikipedia itself. You may be interested in taking a look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/who_runs_your_world .-- Dorond 03:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Meskhenet:
-- Dorond 03:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I usually enjoy debate, Meskhenet, especially with people who have very different views than mine, when each side is making an honest attempt to educate the other about their views and, when necessary (as here), to reach an agreeable conclusion. In your case, however, this is a no-holds-barred fight, where vicious personal attacks, extreme statements, shooting in all direction and not paying much attention to the other's arguments are all fair game. This is simply an unpleasant and unrewarding experience for me, one which I decline to continue.-- Dorond 13:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok. I'm breaking out this conversation thread into its own topic.
As to my own view, I just removed it (tentatively) if only because the existing sources are exclusively POV. Specifically both non-wiki links are by groups that oppose - one of which is by an anti-mind-cult group. While I sympathize with their concern over mind-control cults, I'm nevertheless mindful of the extreme tactics of anti-cult activists. Even if they are speaking accurately, it is unreasonable to accept only references by opponents of a group as to the belief of such a group. If any reputable scholarship exists that testifies to this belief of the UC members, please source it, and the section could be returned. Also, the main wiki articles on Moon and the UC do not reference this belief - again suggesting that this section is under-source.
Repeat - if we have better links than only oppositional groups, then by all means let's put it up. But only with additional sourcing that is a bit more independent. Having no knowledge of the subject, I personally can't provide any, sorry. -- Christian Edward Gruber 04:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I would like to throw my two cents in here. Pretty much all the countries of the world are sovereign, with no signs that thier ultimate sovereignty is going to vanish or that they will give it all up. However their sovereignty is eroding due to globalization of economics and law (to varying degrees). Some give it up easier than others. The UK is a sovereign nation-state, and the ultimate soverenty lies with Parliament, but they have signed two treaties that override their own soveriegnty - The European Declaration of Human Rights and the EU (Maastright) Treaty. Both give soveriegnty to a higher organization that can overide Parliament. These are baby steps, that if continued in every country with most areas of governance, could eventually lead to a de facto world government over the years (possibly hundreds). At the other end of the spectrum, the US guards its sovereignty tightly, but still does similiar things. While ultimate sovereignty lies with the US Constitution, every international treaty signed has a higher place in the US system of law than Federal Statutes or Supreme Court Decisions. So every treaty slightly erodes the sovereignty of Congress and the President, unless they are willing to accept whatever repercusions are involved in repealing those treaties. Case in point, we could repeal NAFTA, but at a high cost to both our economy (most corporations have a vested interest in NAFTA for many reasons) and our international relations with Canada and Mexico (the damage to the latter's economy would probably result in increase immigration here, setting off more repercusions). My point is that the textbook definition of soveriegnty is complete control over a state's internal/external affairs. By signing treaties and joining international bodies, sovereignty is weakened. In the 1930's countries put up tariffs to isolate their economies and ignored international bodies, but this obviously proved counterproductive (Depression and WWII), so now we pool our soverienty's more so than ever. History will be the judge, but so far this has had the effect of creating more democracies and a more stable world environment. Who knows what may continue to happen, since the world today is completely different than any other point in history where countries got too large. Which brings me to the USSR being larger than the EU - they are/were the same size by population (give or take a couple million), which ignore the fac tthat democratic India (1 billion people) has survived for nearly as long as the USSR did and shows no signs of economic stagnation or breaking up like the USSR. So I guess that size so far hasnt predicted the collapse of a country. Here's my final thought - the countries of the world may continue to pool their sovereignty for as long as the global conditions favor it. It wont result in a 'world government' of any sort unless there is an outside threat to require it. This outside threat could be environmental (think hollywood disaster movie), or the arrival of aliens on our doorstep. Since both of these are almost never going to happen, the same is true for world government (although Im in favor of it!) - Simon H, US/British Citizen
So I really hate the current flow of the article - mostly because of the "arguemnts for / arguments against" approach. Let's try to see if we can't get a more encyclopaedic format for this. Meskhenet, I'm sorry, in part, for the previous revert. I agree that the older format also had the for/against approach. I should have edited forward, rather than reverted. However, I think more discussion about sections, flow, and content should really be had before we can have an article that takes into account your additions and integrates the historical article. I think we can do it. I'll try to make some phased changes over the next few days with discussion about it to occur here. -- Christian Edward Gruber 04:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Christian, make it more encyclopediac. =)
I suggest that the section on "Communist or socialist world government" be removed, simply because no claim or evidence has been provided that a valid plan for establishing a communist world government is being seriously promoted. What it is doing here? -- Dorond 04:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm still puzzled by what specific additional information needs to be added to make this article more balanced. I may be ignorant here, but I am honestly not aware of any serious attempt to promote a "Communist or socialist world government" (as if socialist and communist are almost the same thing, which they are definitely not), neither today nor in the past. If such an attempt was made in the past, please point us to a reliable description of it, and I would support properly adding it to the history section. If a current attempt is on-going and respectable (has some support from scholars and politicians across some significant section of humanity), then, yes, let's give it its own section. But, please, let's not talk in generalities and hypotheticals. Show us the data. -- Dorond 21:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Saying 'socialist and communist ....' does not implies that it is the same thing, anymore than 'socialist and capitalist' implies that.
See the movie 'Reds' - Reed actually believed that 'World Revolution ' will reach US, Hungary, even Germany were affected. It is an importand part of history.
Here is a link to socialist site which describes this: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/le61-s27.shtml
I followed the links and did not see any mention of a world government concept. Did I miss anything? Where?--
Dorond 05:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
First this goes towards advocating a move or lessened a part of the article. "If a current attempt is on-going and respectable (has some support from scholars and politicians across some significant section of humanity), then, yes, let's give it its own section. But, please, let's not talk in generalities and hypotheticals. Show us the data. -Dorand" If current attempts are being made, then shouldn't this be in WikiNews.
Also I agree with a historical account, but lets be realistic and start from the beginning, the first advocated WORLD governments were empires. Now the people's views of world were limited and the "realization" of world empires, if we start Alexander the Great and then Roman, don't forget the East's empires, then European empires, with the UK empire becoming most global, which she is still the technical head of state of many parliamentary form of governments, and several others such as Spain is a constiutional monarchy, even though unless (given 'data' of the past and making certain 'assumptions' a new world empire were to emerge with a person who was able to pass the legacy down for the world to accept a 'monarachy' of sorts. Guessing, predicting, even what the experts say, of what a world government form will have, is not proper per se of an ecyclopedic article. Showing certain trends, giving what people might expect and what expects think, breifly, yes.
But predicting global federalism for which sci fi writers have been writing about, would be tantamount to writing an encyclopedia article on the world colonizing the moon and how inevidatible it is given the technology and movement of culture, back when Jules Vern wrote that nice sci fi piece on visiting the moon.
It happened, but when, how, what 'experts' think, we still could have nuclear holocast. There could be an irradation of species (technical version of irradation) that leads current species of humans less equiped and lose the survival of the fittest.
I would like to challenge one of the principles listed in the article. As a disclaimer, let me acknowledge my previous, strong suppport for this principle. However, after intense research in democratic studies, I am now of the opinion that it is a Amero-centric viewpoint. The principle in question is
* Separation of the legislative, executive and judicial functions, in line with what are claimed by some to be modern concepts of democracy.
This is basically a presidential system of governance. Given that most governments, democratic and otherwise, are parliamentary in nature, I've become convinced that a parliamentary form of world government would be the most likely form to emerge. There would not be a world president, but rather a global prime minister. I'm not advocating one for the other, as I am still committed to the appropriate checks and balances in any form of world government, but wanted to challenge others to re-evaluate the wording of this principle.
I would also suggest another form might follow the format of the European Union, with a strong technocratic cabinent (led by a weak president) dominating the decision-making process, sanctioned or challenged by the more democratic parliament. Anne-Marie Slaughter suggested something similar to this for reformed decision-making in the Organization of American States. [2] In any regard, I don't believe we should assume a world government would simply be a super-sized national government. The same features may not be scalable, and we should not force them to. Tfleming 17:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible and desirable to have a combination cantons and world_government?
Thank you in advance for your input and for reading the following. I apologize for any faux pas, as I'm new to Wikipedia.
I respect the community and your desire to ensure Wikipedia.org continues to evolve into the greatest encyclopaedic resource to humankind - and not simply a forum for either political ideological battles or spam.
1) Why was MiViNi.org link removed? 2) What does mivini.org lack to be included as a valid link under Wikipedia - World Government? 3) Did the person(s) who removed it navigate MiViNi and examine the theory, architecture, and features?
I am not so much defensive of MiViNi being de-listed from Wikipedia under World Government as I am supportive in making a case for inclusion in Wikipedia under World Government of any valid link to a new grassroots movement for world self-government, designed by the people for the people, through online and local meetings around the world. Such a movement must have a start somewhere and the seed of such a movement is as important and valid as any resulting success or failure years in the future.
To discount a creation simply because it is embryonic makes about as much sense as discounting the seed of any movement or development, be it democracy or the Internet. In the realm of world government, MiViNi represents the essence of innovation in a grassroots World Government. It is legitimate and has required significant preparation, time, effort, thought, and execution. It is a movement based on principles and not personalities. Nowhere on the site do you even find the creator's name. It is based on a non-commercial model of attraction rather than promotion. It incorporates principles drawn from a variety of sources, including recovery programs. The technology is based on state-of-art open source collaborative design.
Even in biology, it is unreasonable to discount a new development simply because, it is at present, either a small threat, i.e. Bird Flu, or a revolutionary hope, i.e. debut of the Polio vaccine.
I would guess one reason the link was removed is because MiViNi was just launched in the past few days and has no current members. It cannot be because the site is bound to fail due to design flaws, or because it's simply a self-serving monument to one person's ego. All of us have seen sites that are pathetic homilies to some man's delusion of grandeur. We also would recognize that MiViNi does not fit that model.
MiViNi is new and has no current members. That is exactly where it should be today, since it launched yesterday. It is panarchic model based on the Internet, and attraction rather than promotion. The ramp-up may take months, not days. That is by design. Further, it won't succeed or fail on its link being included in Wikipedia under World Government. MiViNi is representative of open source panarchic innovative approaches toward grassroots World Government. As such, shouldn't it be included under the Wikipedia World Government links? If not - why not? Please let me know, as this would contribute to building a better model for a panarchic World Government.
Because of the nature of the Internet, MiViNi's growth can span borders, as members volunteer their time and talent to create localized versions in their language and those members with technology skills can create mirror copies.
MiViNi is derived from three words in Esperanto - Mi (I) Vi (You) Ni (We). It has a fivefold purpose; the first three are common to other world humanitarian organizations. The last two are more unique to MiViNi.
1) A worldwide community for personal and global transformation 2) Worldwide online and local meetings spanning the full spectrum of humanity 3) Guided by a shared Vision, Purpose, Principles, Organization and Personal Steps 4) Law-abiding, having no official opinion on outside specific leaders or governments 5) Designing a dynamic architecture for a new global system of government
Regardless of the anyone's initial effort, an active MiViNi community would adopt the site and develop it according to their meritocracy of ideas. In this respect it's a little like an open source project. In the interest of planting the seed for this concept, both a functional architecture and conceptual DNA for growth were developed:
Functional Architecture MiViNi Website - English only 3/06 Online Forum Blog Live Chat Skye / IM integration Meeting Calendar Project Workspace Polls Newsfeeds RSS site subscription
Conceptual DNA Vision Purpose Rationale Principles Membership Guidelines Group Practices Steps - Personal Goals Projects Fads and Initial Concept
If you've made it to the bottom of this posting, thank you. Please respond with your best thinking on why the MiViNi link was removed and also be specific in what if anything is lacking for it to enjoy a link on Wikipedia under World Government.
Love, Peace, Unity
A member of MiViNi
I reverted some wierdly POV stuff about "some" people "fantasizing" about the EU endlessly enlarging. I'm only mentioning it because it has a vague relevance because this is an article on world government and the EU is presented as an example of a larger supra-national regional governing body with some state powers. If the editor who added those comments (anonymous, I seem to recall) wishes to have them included, they should identify who "some" people are, and cite sources, as well as attempt to phrase the contribution so as to flow with the article and be relevant. -- Christian Edward Gruber 20:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I think looking at this logically, a federated world government with no borders, one unified authority and the general unification of all governments across the world is a necessary step for humanity's survival. The inevitable colonization of outer space as the earth becomes more populated could result in disaster if every country that could do so was trying to claim stakes on, say, Mars or the Moon. Instead of just fighting wars on earth, we'd just try out hardest to kill each other on extraterrestrial bodies. Such a war would surely have a death count numbering in the billions, and is obviously something that we must try to avoid.
But, heed this; we cannot rush into a unified Earth authority. Regions such as North America, Asia Pacific and the European Union must ally together in 'super-nations' which could improve the general stability of their respective areas with unified, co-ordinated government and armed forces. These large nations could eventually incorporate more stubborn nations into their borders, until, eventually, every old country on Earth becomes part of a local super-power. From there, the process of creating a world federation would be simplified exponentially, as instead of 190 or so countries debating the issue, only 5 or six super-nations would have to do so in this scenario. This theory relies on a lot of assumptions already, but assuming that the super-nations agreed to merge together and were not forced in any way to join, then it is almost a foregone conclusion that most of the citizens of these new nations would agree to a gradual unification of these super-powers.
Just my 2 pence . . .
I understand some of the complaints I read and maybe my comments will add to their points. However, I was looking for the World Federalist organization that I knew something about 25 years ago, but remembered 'World Government'. So my purposes, it would be helpful to have both together. DFBrown, Ethics instructor at community college
I wonder if it makes much sense to include these as world governments, because even Alexander's empire did not encompass even half the "known world" of his time, and the much-larger Mongol Empire was no closer. 70.49.242.102 13:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed from the opening the sentence "Capitalizing on the growing importance of world wide web in the human civilization, a group of individuals adhering to The Globalist Manifesto [3] is actively advocating for the formation of one world government, initially through the internet." There appears to be an attempt to spam this meme into Wikipedia ( e.g. here). If they were indeed notable enough to warrant inclusion in the opening paragraphs of an article such as this, the first step would be an article on the group or manifesto itself. - David Oberst 01:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
This article started with statement,"Currently, there has not been a nation to officially put forward plans for a world government, although some people do see international institutions (such as the International Criminal Court, United Nations, and International Monetary Fund) as the beginning elements of a world government system." This is trying to show the current global trends, one of which is the growing dominance of the internet, which include the Wikipedia. This is why, the link on worldwide web is necessary as well as some proofs that the worldwide web is really a tool of promoting a global advocacy... hence, The Globalist Manifesto link was necessary too, because websites advocating The Globalist Manifesto had been, for around 4 years now, number one both in Yahoo and Alta Vista Search in the topic of "formation of a global government" over million of entries. It is also number one in the Advanced Google Search in that same topic. These are statement of facts which the world community should not be deprived of knowing. In other word, the entry which started from "Currently" sentence is grammatically coherent and factually important and is not speaking of any bias. To mangle it... is on the other hand imposing personal bias of one person, which in effect deprived the global community of knowing an important global trend as recognized by major search engines in the world like Google, Yahoo and Alta Vista. It makes the world less informed, or skewed more towards ignorance. Wikipedia is fighting against ignorance which makes it a leading center of knowledge in todays global commmunity.The global community is supporting Wikipedia because it informs the global public of what is the current global trend as seen by Google, Yahoo and Alta Vista which is, I think, more credible than one person somewhere in his lonely computer who has a personal biological concern to struggle with.
http://illuminati-religion.blogspot.com/2007/05/illuminati-religion-from-endless.html
Since the logic reasoning is based on quotes from the people known to be the official propagandists of a World government, where is the conspiracy?
"Following the U.S. experiment, Switzerland (1848) and Canada (1867) formed the first multi-national federations, uniting distinct ethnic/cultural/lingual regions under a common government." Switzerland exist since 1291. What does this sentence refer to? Kromsson 17:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
It refers to the constitution that was adopted in 1848. According to the article on Switzerland, the cantons were previously bound by treaties rather than being a single federal state.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.250.223 ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I spent about 7 edits trying to get that link at the top to work, I'm off to go shoot myself now! Sorry for taking so long! SGGH speak! 19:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
This looks like a well developed article so I'm curious if this is an actual oversight.
24.7.47.36 05:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised that in all of the above discussions nobody has questioned the approach of 'substituting' one word with another in a (famous) quotation to create a new meaning which justifies inclusion. The offending section almost goes beyond Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material serving to advance a position into pure invention. Whilst logically coherent, it surely doesn't belong in Wikipedia...
Hobbes
The English political philosopher Thomas Hobbes' book Leviathan (1651) expounded on the ' social contract theory' of government. When 'nation' is substituted for 'person' in the theory below, it advocates the creation of a world government and depicts the current international system as anarchical.
"The natural condition of nations is a state of perpetual war of all against all, where no morality exists, and everyone lives in constant fear," this is the " state of nature". Hobbes' first law states; "That every nation ought to endeavour peace as far as they have hope of obtaining it; and when they cannot obtain it, that they may seek and use all helps and advantages of war." Hobbes explains the subtext of the political process, "We mutually divest ourselves of certain rights, such as the right to take another nation's life, so to achieve peace. That a nation be willing, when others are so too, as far-forth as for peace and defense of his nation he shall think it necessary, to lay down this right to all things; and be contented with so much liberty against other nations, as he would allow other nations against his nation." The mutual transferring of these rights is called a contract and is the basis of the notion of moral obligation, duty and government. From selfish reasons alone, we are both motivated to reciprocally transfer these and other obligatory rights, since this will end the dreaded state of war between us.
Hobbes continues by discussing the validity of certain contracts. For example, contracts made in the state of nature are not generally binding, for, if I fear that you will violate your part of the bargain, then no true agreement can be reached. This problem is solved by giving unlimited power to a political sovereign who will punish us if we violate our contracts, "that to ensure contracts (and peace) policing power must be given to one person, or one assembly. We do this by saying, implicitly or explicitly, I authorise and give up my right of governing myself, to this nation, or to this assembly of nations, on this condition, that thou give up thy right to him, and authorise all his actions in like manner."
This text has been in the article for a while, so I've moved it here for discussion. Does anyone think this is allowable? -- Wragge 06:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a section discussing the topic of world government in works of literature and such. Examples of such instances off the top of my head include the Hegemony of the Ender's Shadow series by Orson Scott Card and the World State of Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End. Mathwhiz90601 ( talk) 09:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Is this article only for people who advocate world government? and not for people who advocate against it? And that is called neutral around here? - Shankar 121.247.14.57 ( talk) 18:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to tag the article as containing original research and needed more references, its a very long article with very little referencing and some of the content clearly indicates original work for example the criticisms section which starts Depending on one's point of view. I'll try and find some more sources for the article in order to verify more of the content. Guest9999 ( talk) 14:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
This text: "Furthermore, conflicts such as the Second World War involving all of Earth led to the breakup of near World Governmental countries like the British Empire and other Great Powers; this shows that such large organisations and countries only spread problems to a more global scale." This only points to the fact that a large union consisting of individual states or colonies that is brought together by military force has a tendency to cripple, but that does not necessarly happen to a large union based of induviduals who have joined together by themselfes, and therfore free from any kind of seperationists. I think that should be accounted for as one of the main reasons wo why UK in the end was seperated from its kingdom.-- Nabo0o ( talk) 23:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, is not the anarcho-capitalist perspective relevant, considering that world government and total anarchy are the only consistent conclusions of the ideologies of statism, minarchism, and anarchism? Sacrevert ( talk) 22:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
You might say that the author believes that there are steps being taken toward a World Government (but not without a quote), but implying there is more than one article without evidence is unacceptable. You might say: Gideon Rachman, writing in the Financial Times, writes .... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
please add inline citations in the lead or i may decide to be bold. 93.86.201.173 ( talk) 13:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting if this article could cite the document Bonum sane in the criticism section, a Catholic Church document that specifically opposes a hypothetical world government. There is currently a debate in the Catholic Church on whether the Church should support such an idea, and differing views have also been presented in other magisterial texts, such as Caritas in Veritate. ADM ( talk) 23:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The above DAB page has just been created!
I've substantially re-structured & re-edited the article - but relatively careful not to delete substantive material. Nevertheless, the article still needs substantial work & development. -- Ludvikus ( talk) 13:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
-- Ludvikus ( talk) 14:48, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
its life spp and nafta.there are no single even talk of parliaments,currency,borderless entry etc. plz remove saarc from the list of union t list of trade blocs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.110.126 ( talk) 15:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Added to the Also See section since this ideology is one of the principle beliefs of world government or single-society. Paradiver ( talk) 16:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)