Xàm lòn
Xàm lòn Hi there folks. I'm slowly working my way through the articles on vocal topics, and I've wandered into this one. I think it's generally ok, but there is a fair amount of stuff that I can't find info on in the literature. Questions: Bớt xàm lòn: Is 8there research on this youngest child thing, or is it just something that someone here came up with? (i.e., original research)
George 21:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the mention of the Queen of the Night aria should be removed. The note is inded an F6, but from what I've read, opera singers are trained to sing these notes in their head voices. Whistle voice is looked down upon in opera because it can sound too airy. Any other insight? 69.160.116.44 04:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
In response to the first comment, whistle range is not only not looked down upon, but indeed necessary for any coloratura soprano. Without these notes, she will find herself without gigs and unable to sing much of the repetoire. Properly sung whistle range (actually called the flageolet register, whistle range is a misnomer) would not be an airy sound at all but rather have a very pure sounding clear ring to it. Mention of the Queen of the Night's vengence aria is extremely appropriate because it is likely the most well known aria which employs the flageolet register.
theoperagoddess 7:38, 29 November 2005
I realized after posting that last message that the term 'vocal fry' might be unfamiliar jargon to alot of people and so I'll quickly cover it because it relates to Mariah Carey's ability to hit that A2. The singing instrument has membranes that envelope the primary vocal folds or 'true folds'. They don't make noise but the good thing about them is they resonate sympathethically to a frequency harmonically related to what you get from your true folds (this is typically an octave lower but you can go beyond that at the cost of sounding less like a voice and more like a motor especially if your throat, face and pharynx are not relaxed). So when it is said that Mariah can sing some arbitrary low note that could either mean she does it with her true folds (doubtfull) or else some function or the false folds resonating well enough to drown out the higher note. To hear a good example of the technique you could listen to Queesryche's Geoff Tate (a true virtuouso), or just about any good death metal singer, or even Tibetan monk chanting. I would also have anyone reading this consider notions of "humanly impossible" notes or sounds or whatever. It's true that the vocal cords are able to stretch so far but in the realm of acoustic sound amplification the fundamental tone is only a fraction of the sonic experience and often times doesn't even translate to the audience under certain circumstances. It's good to think of any parody you've seen of a female opera singer belting out an insanely high pitch note and breaking glass. Those notes need to be a non-whistle vocalization to generate a tone that will resonate clearly enough to break glass but it goes to demonstrate how much freedom there really is in the realm of un-inhibited singing.
In which recording did she hit a note in the whistle register? I'm worried that this article is based on apocrypha. -- DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:45, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
Since the only requirement for admission into the "whistle register club" is being able to hit an E6 or higher in vocal pitch, many more people technically qualify than you may think. There is a song (the name escapes me) where Olivia is on a floating dock on a moat. In that song, she hits a very high soprano pitch. I have never heard Kelly Clarkson hit such a note, but didn't delete the information because I HAVE heard Ashanti pitch everything but a true glass breaker, but a lot of people who haven't would think she has no business on the list. I just think its important for people to realize just how high the pitch is, because Amel Larrieux (although she is a GREAT soprano), barely cuts the mark. I was tempted to delete her from the list. Jill Scott hits it high in her song Gimme, but not high enough to qualify (although she probably could if pushed). I couldn't verify the info on Tireh or Artimius Hollins (the latter entries keep being added in a way that suggests a falsehood, firstly he can hit a brief C8# (after I added the info on the RUMORED C8 for Minnie, Mariah and Adam. Then after the section on Differences was added and melisma was attributed to Mariah and staccato to Terry Ellis, all of the sudden the entry returns, stating:
In 2005, a male recording artist Tireh age 21 assumed the title for not only possessing the highest vocal range (5.4 octaves), vocal note (C8) and octave count of any artist in the history of music both male and female, but also having the ability to clearly speak in the A7 key which has never been done in history.Finally, Artimius Hollins of Atlanta, Georgia uses the whistle register often in live venues. He is known for F7 and C8. After hearing him, he usesmelisma andstaccato to soar into his upper-octave range.
and he never had a world record at all. If you can speak clearly on an A7, trust me when I say you could go a LOT higher. And so would Mariah, Adam, and Rachelle. According to Guinness, the records are still with Mariah and Adam. Also, suddenly Artimius uses melisma and staccato. While not impossible, these are fairly opposite methods of voice production. Melisma requires multiple pitches in a single word, while staccato require a light, short, distinct sound on each note (in other words, you must perfect and separately execute each pitch). Finally, in an earlier post he is known for a brief C8#. rigghhtt....????....
Sorry, I'm getting of my soapbox :-)
Antares33712 21:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Kelly Clarkson hit a whistle note on American Idol during the first season. I don't recall the song or episode - I simply remember seeing it. Hopefully someone has more information about this.
-- Acero2310 21:33, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
I never heard Kelly Clarkson pitch a whistle registered high note, but this claim of G7# and brief c8# by Artimius of Atlanta needs investigation. Adam Lopez of Brisbane, Austrailia hit A7 for some talk show (the note and surrounding talk is somehwere on the 'Net) and both he and Mariah have records for highest pitch in voice. Since only rumors exist of Minnie Riperton, Mariah Carey, and Adam Lopez (no confirmed proof) hitting a C8 (and we know them as leaders of the pack in this register), can we really trust this information.
Kelly Clarkson hit a whistle note during Natural Woman on American Idol. Here's and mp3: http://rapidshare.de/files/7866697/Kelly_Clarkson_-_Natural_Woman.mp3.html
Yeah, the note is supposed to be an F#6, but Kelly got an E6 before slipping up. But she managed to hold the F#6, which means she can touch the lower part of the whistle register.
Well, but even if that was a fluke, you have to admit her high range (the C5 - G5) is very good.
I disagree with this new edit. This isn't Mariah's article, it's about the whistle register. I think we should revert this edit. Oh and by the way, thanks Acero2310 for helping me prove my point! Antares33712 21:44, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I reverted the edit. Sorry, but if edits to the article must not gut the rest of it. The previous edit actually created two sections on the greatest singers in this register (ok, ok, POV), but the result was a sharp slant toward Mariah. Then after hanging in the section was the end sentence of the original third section (now inside the new Mariah section where it doesn't belong. If we are to add sections for Minnie and Mariah, why stop there. Surely, we could contrast them with say Ashanti, so has the ability and doesn't use it, OR Shanice, who hasn't achieved mainstream fame despite having the ability. Or even the overlooked Tamar Braxton or Rachelle Farrell. If we are going to treat this article fairly, then that means discussing the whistle register as it applies and as a singer applies to it. We can't promote any one singer out (and YES! I LOVE MARIAH, SO DON'T EVEN THINK I EVER DON'T). I've playued her new CD non-stop since I first bought it two weeks ago. Maybe we could add a new category for singers who can access the register? There we could boast more about their individual abilities. But I feel that this article should be an intellectual one to discuss the register, not anyone's individual abilities in it (except where that info relates directly into discussing the register) Antares33712 22:07, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Kelly Clarkson hit a whistle note on season 1 of american idol while singing "You make me feel" by aretha Franklin —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
24.198.16.193 (
talk) 06:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Please visit Talk:Adam Lopez and Wikipedia:Reference desk#Adam Lopez for more information. Thank you! -- Toytoy 14:10, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
Would you please state in a couple of sentences what, exactly about the article you're disputing, so readers will know which part you consider factually inaccurate? Thanks Quill 21:54, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
just to add to the adam thing, you have to professionally record a demo and has a witness from guiness for it to be verified. seeing as how he did it for an interview, it isn't credited. the guiness site hasn't been updated in a very long time either. but i seen the show, and he is verified as having the new C#8 record.
I don't claim to be a know-it-all, but who is Artimius Hollins? If he is authentic, kindly click on the red link and create an article about him. The information that keeps being added about him seems dubious and designed to make him stick out against the current hoopla in the article itself. For example, after we started talking about MAriah's melisma and Terry's staccato, this guys uses melisma and staccato (they are fairly opposite musical vehicles). C8 rare and Minine reverred for her F#7? Mariah's highest note G#7. Well he uses F7, G7 and brief C8. If this guys is real, why is it so difficult to add a bio page about (discuss his accomplishments) and most importantly add him to the whistle register singer category and PROVIDE links so we can hear his singing (especially the high notes). I know Jesse Powell goes high, and Adam Lopez is fairly well known amongst whistle register enthusiasts, and I've hear of a guy named Tireh, but this guy? Dubious....that's my thought.
Antares33712 18:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A RfC has been requested. Could the parties involved clearly and briefly explain their positions? Thanks. Dan100 ( Talk) 22:28, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
The article currently states, "Though it is true that a properly pitched whistle register tone can shatter glass, it has until recently only been demonstrated with the aid of electronic amplification. The television show Mythbusters successfully recorded Jaime Vendera shattering a crystal goblet using his unamplified voice." This seems to me to be implying that this is the first time (or the first time on television) that this has been demonstrated, unamplified. This is not true. It was demonstrated in the late 70s or, more likely, the first half of the 80s on a t.v. show in England, almost certainly on the BBC. Obviously my memory is more than a little hazy here. Anyway, could we please consider rewording that paragraph, or are people unwilling to accept such an uncited recollection? -- Yamla 20:45, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
The MythBusters episode seems to suggest that it is not a note in the whistle register that breaks glass, and the very phrasing of this segment of the article seems to confirm this. If this is the case, then how is whistle register famous for being used to break glass? Seems to me that it is alleged to break glass but it is in fact a lower note that actually accomplishes this. - Lvthn13 09:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
While Ms. Carey is the most famous modern example of a person able to sing in this range, the article seems to contain *way* too much information about her and her songs, with several references somewhat redundant.
We may want to consider scaling back the mentions of Mariah Carey. Just my opinion.
Mariah hits a C3 in both "My All" and "I Don't Wanna Cry". Since A2 is two whole steps lower and we all know a singer rarely uses the absolute TOP or BOTTOM note professionally, I believe this.
However, Mariah has been known to over exploit her vocal range. The note at the end of "My All" was a B2, not and A2. She has hit A2 onstage, not in the song.
IT is my beleif that Mariah may use her range a-hell-of-a-lot but this is because she can. If you were a singer able to sing in the seventh octave and then jump down to base notes....you would do it just cause you can. If you've got it flaunt it and whenever our girl Mariah uses her encredible whistle she uses it well like Minnie and Shanice. We refferance her becasue she's one of the best.
Have you heard of Georgia Brown? According to 2005 Guinness Book of World Records, the pop star from Brazil is credited to have the widest vocal range (male or female), from G2 to G10. The book said that Georgia possesses a 9 octave range surpassing that of a standard piano keyboard. Her range was measured using a piano, and a Hammond. The G10 though is not a note but rather a frequency which of course cannot be sung at all. It's way beyond any musical value. I wonder if there's anyone out there who's got an audio sample of Georgia Brown's range.
George 20:44, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
...Mariah Carey has the most powerful female voice around the globe. Her lowest note till today was A2 and her highest G7...
Mariah has actually sung and "HIT LIVE" a B7 on youtube.com even got my keyboard to check it out i use to be a sceptic but not anymore.
Who can deny the power of Mariah Carey's vocals? But we are supposed to be talking about this Georgia person.
SEEN AND HEARD HER AUDIO SAMPLE. Honestly the highest note she sang there was nowhere near the 9th or 10th octave. It could be somewhere between C8 and A8 or even below that range. She didn't even sound as high as Mariah's G#7! This claim needs to be validated not by Guinness, but by a reliable pitch detector. 3 octaves above C7 are almost beyond human hearing. What do you think?
Does the term "Stratospheric Soprano" belong on this page? Is it a synonym for a soprano that can sing in the whistle register? I had always associated that term with super-high sopranos like Mariah, but I find no mention of it on this page, or in fact anywhere in wikipedia. A quick google shows that it is a commonly used term, but I've never seen a solid definition. Can anyone clarify this term and its relation to the content on this page? Kryzx 18:46, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
How to add a singer to this list?
The singer Sebastian Vilas, also can sing in this registry. Also R&B singers Chante Moore and Tamar Braxton (Toni Braxton's younger sister) can sing in this registry as well.
Web: [1]
Media:http://sebas83.shinranet.com/audios/muestra_whistle_02.mp3
Media:http://sebas83.shinranet.com/audios/muestra_whistle_003.mp3
Hey! thanks! :o)
wow lol this is sooo much drama!!! anyways. ummm i just wanna state that unless you have proof(a sample) of someone singing that high, they shouldn't be listed. I have capability of singing E6 in both head voice and whistle register, in fact my highest note i sang was G7. and im also a male and yes my voice has changed. its hard of coarse but yeah. my vocal range is B1-F#7 just basically because i donno if i wanna sing that high G again. but yeah ashanti to me cannot even sing a all! i grew up to most of these artists songs. mariah carey has always been my favorite artist and i credit her for me being able to sing that high today. Adam lopez credits himself for hitting an E8 but from what i heard it sounded like a normal 7th octave note. and it seems everyday there are more artists being added. i dont hear any samples! but the girl from xscape i have heard hit a B#5 in a song so i dont doubt her capability. but i have to say its not about "producing" a note. to me its singing that note. mariah carey is used alot because she is a popular example of this. if i was to tell one of my friends "the whistle register is the high pitched notes that adam lopez sings" they wouldnt know who he is. mariah is famous because she is so flexible and flaunts her talents. i think everything in this article is necessary but i think more could be added. and in the whistle register singers as i said they need proof. the only singers i've heard sing this high are: Christina Aguilera, Tamar Braxton, Blu Cantrell, Mariah Carey, Rachelle Ferrell, Lisa Fischer, Nina Girado, Rachelle Ann Go, Amel Larrieux, Adam Lopez, MISIA, Chante Moore, Debelah Morgan, Jesse Powell, Minnie Ripperton,(Raven although i havent heard her actually sing that high), Shanice, Jessica Simpson, Yma Sumac, Tireh, Angela Via, and Deniece Williams. Although Julie Andrews, Kandi Burruss, Kelly Clarkson, Cheryl Gamble, Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Patti Labelle, Teena Marie, Michelle Williams(All because of their capabilities of what i know, they can possibly be possible whistle register singers) and all those opera singers, i dont doubt. I am interested in hearing this georgia brown, i was shown this article because i was searching for something that might help me find a sample of her. However i do believe when it comes down to it singing in general is not just pitches but tone, and emotion of the voice. Mariah Carey is a great example of a singer although i believe her vocal prime has past.
OK people. Here's the deal: Georgia Brown can definitely hit an F8, and does it quite well. I've tested it on a keyboard that ranges from a C five octaves below Mid C (C4) to the equivalent of a G9. Link: http://www.dutchdivas.net/frames2/highC.html about half-way down the page to High Vocal Range. It also has a media file of Adam Lopez reaching a B7, which is amazing. I myself manage to reach an E8 on occassions, but it's not a sound that I would consider an actual flageolet, since the note is reached but not with any sort of control or strength.That's not considered actually singing the note.
Her article is in the 2006 edition of Guinness Book. It's available now at any bookstores. Check it out.
Let's give her the credit for hitting that incredible note..as demonstrated in the audio sample. If it's indeed an f8 it is undoubtedly the highest demonstrated note so far. Let's just wait if she can actually effectively USE it in her songs to impress record buyers as what Mariah did at the start of her career. There's more to it than just having the widest vocal range.
what about brett manning? he is another singer with a notable vocal range...there's a vocal sample in his site www.singingsuccess.com and what about Demetrio Stratos? some sites write he can hit a sound of 7000 Hz ...in the 8th octave I think...and sing 3 and 4 sounds in the same time...www.demetriostratos.com but see also www.demetriostratos.it ...what do you think about them?
Brett definitely can. you can hear an audio sample of it on his website. but also check out several of his youtube lessons, you will see it many times over.
If I am not mistaken the High "C" she hit in RENT's "Seasons Of Love" may be high enough to be in the whistle register.
You can download the full score of the Magic Flute at the Magic Flute Project. This aria in particular is available in PDF at [3]. -- George 21:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Head register is another division. There should be a Head Register List for those capable of singing high in Head(Whatever high is considered.) -- 24.162.74.108 09:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)Blueandgold200
Shouldn't there be a list of famous Whistle register users in Wikipedia? I know for sure the winner of the first season of Latin American Idol, venezuelan singer Mayré Martínez, recurs profusely to it to achieve high notes. Maybe an administrator should consider it. -- Espazolano 01:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm adding Kandi Burruss because in her hit song Understanding she cleary does a whistle register with no fear. I have live videos and the video made for the song, and on her song My little secret she hits another whistle register so watch the videos and be amazed.
Understanding -Live- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTclBB4DMog
Understanding -Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiR4qOk8TH0
My little secret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjOLerYwK2A
What makes Kandi Burruss a non-notable singer? Just because she isn't a worldwide singer does not mean she isn't notable. She's a R&B singer/songwriter. if you want notabilty, then she would be most notable for writing the song Bills, Bills, Bills for Destiny's Child. But, we are talking about Knadi's singing. So, I think there should be rethough into your comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayghost ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of David Lee Roth from Van Halen on this topic? He did the whistle voice all the time. Go listen to the intro to the song Jump from the album 1984. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.193.216.216 ( talk) 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
I'm new to this article, but it seems like there has been so much dispute over what to include and who to include that it has now become incredibly short. While I agree that we don't need to list every possible example of a whistle register by any even slightly famous person, can't we have a small "EXAMPLES" section where we list Mariah Carey's "Emotions" or "All in Your Mind", the Queen of the Night area, etc. as examples of songs featuring the whistle register? It seems like the Editors of the article became so fed up at too much content they chopped everything off altogether and now it feels like a tremendously incomplete article. -- Mezaco 17:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
sorry guys, thought i'd remove a duplicate sentence on a short article i'd come across randomly, only to discover a talk page 7x the size of the article! hope I haven't trodden on toes here..... Naughtyhippo 15:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea to have one example for pop and one for classical. I can't imagine that would start an edit war. I added the Lily Pons Bell Song for classical. This is usually the piece people show to demonstrate high notes, and this is the singer most people associate with the Bell Song. Wallie ( talk) 22:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)