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It was established that this series its an original story loosely inspired on the Watchmen comic series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
The cast section includes unsourced claims that Tom Mison has been cast as "Marcos Maez / Mime" and Sara Vickers as "Erika Manson / Marionette". I recognize them as characters from DC's Doomsday Clock storyline, but my understanding is that HBO hasn't indicated that they're adapting any source material other than the original comic. Looks like some "eager beaver" is making assumptions about potential characters in the series. I'd edit it myself but my Wikipedia days are over.
- Ope tha God — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.36.158.149 ( talk) 12:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Damon Lindelof revealed lots of huge details on Watchmen's Television Critics Association panel. [1] [2]
1) Much of Lindelof's inspiration for Watchmen came from reading the works of Ta-Nehisi Coates and learning about Black Wall Street and the Tulsa race riots of 1921. In fact, Watchmen takes place in Tulsa, Oklahoma in the Watchmen alternate universe's version of 2019.
2) Nixon ended up being president until his death in 1988, who was then succeeded by Gerald Ford. In 92, Ford lost the election to Robert Redford, who's still president in 2019. 2019 of Watchmen is a world where cops wear masks, Ozymandias is in seclusion, a very liberal Robert Redford is the longest serving POTUS ever, there are no Internet or smartphones and a killer cult has grown up around the dead Rorschach. . 3) There’s also a white supremacist group that calls themselves “The Seventh Calvary” running around in Rorschach masks. Lindelof said that gets at the one of the main themes of his series: Appropriation. “We understand that we’re appropriating the original ‘Watchmen.’ Characters in this show are appropriating iconic ideas like the Rorschach mask,” he continued. “The idea that the Seventh Cavalry, who seem to be presenting a white supremacist ideology in the pilot, have appropriated Rorschach based on his writings, as a white supremacist. Rorschach is dead, he’s not around to basically say, ‘You got it all wrong.'”.
4) “We reexplore the past but it’s canon,” he says. “Everything that happened in those 12 issues could not be messed with. We were married to it. There is no rebooting it.
5) White supremacy is at the forefront of the story. “What in 2019 is the equivalent of the nuclear standoff between the Americans and the Russians?” Lindelof posited. “It is race and the police. ... There are no easy answers and grandiose solutions. In a traditional superhero movie, superheroes fight the aliens. There’s no defeating white supremacy. It’s not going away.”
6) “We’ve created a world that does not have an internet,” Lindelof said. “People do not have smart phones. Even though it’s set in 2019, the Redford administration saw the writing on the wall and stepped in to make sure we could not troll each other.”
7) The series will feature Regina King’s first on-screen sex scene.
8) “Whether or not the show feels like its ‘Watchmen’ is in the eye of the beholder,” he said Wednesday during the show’s panel at the Television Critics Association press tour. “Some people who have an intense relationship with the source material might say, ‘This feels like ‘Watchmen’ to me,’ [while] others might say, ‘this is an aberration and I wish it never existed.'”
9) Lindelof also described going through “an intense period of terror of f-king it up” when he was crafting the idea for the show. “I had an intense amount of respect for this but at the same time I feel like that respect could impair me from doing my job… I had to separate myself a little bit from this incredible reverence, because if I was too reverent, I wouldn’t be able to do anything that was risky.”
10) “Alan Moore is a genius. In my opinion, the greatest writer in the comic medium and maybe one of the greatest writers of all time. He’s made it very clear that he doesn’t want to have any affiliation or association with ‘Watchmen’ ongoing and that we not use his name to get people to watch it, which I want to respect,” Lindelof said. “I have made personal overtures to connect with him and explain to him a little bit of what we were doing and he made it clear that he didn’t want that to happen and I want to respect that as well.”
11) Damon Lindelof- “I do feel like the spirit of Alan Moore is a punk rock spirit, a rebellious spirit, and that if you would tell Alan Moore, a teenage Moore in ’85 or ’86, ‘You’re not allowed to do this because Superman’s creator or Swamp Thing’s creator doesn’t want you to do it,’ he would say, ‘F— you, I’m doing it anyway.’ So I’m channeling the spirit of Alan Moore to tell Alan Moore, ‘F— you, I’m doing it anyway.'”
12) Lindelof is asking that critics/viewers give Watchmen the entire season before assessing its approach to race, police and how different it is from the source material.
Add info to Article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brownshoes22 ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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What's up with this? It's terribly difficult to read like that. Is there a purpose for this? I didn't want to change it just in case there was some reason that I don't know about. Cjmartin65 ( talk) 00:00, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Nevermind. I couldn't stand it. I fixed the formatting. Cjmartin65 ( talk) 00:04, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
The Watchmen TV Series takes place in Tulsa, Oklahoma in the Watchmen alternate universe's of 2019; one with no Internet or smartphones [1] and Robert Redford is the longest serving President of the United States starting in 1992 [2], 34 years after the comic book series ends. After white supremacist group that calls themselves “The Seventh Calvary” wearing home made Rorschach masks do simultaneous attacks on the houses of polices, all the members of the Police department start wearing masks. Brownshoes22 ( talk) 01:05, 30 July 2019 (UTC) -- Brownshoes22 ( talk) 01:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Add to Article ?-- Brownshoes22 ( talk) 01:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
In this comment and the main article, there is reference to "The Seventh Calvary". Calvary (or Golgotha) is stated as the place where Jesus was crucified. Should this not be amended to "The Seventh Cavalry" - the correct spelling for mounted troops - (pending resolution of the Cavalry/Kavalry question)? Oberon3D ( talk) 14:16, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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MOS:TVCAST which states The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list.
Jean Smart should be at the bottom of the starring cast list because she didn't appeared and wasn’t credited until "She Was Killed by Space Junk" (episode 3). —
YoungForever
(talk) 14:18, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Update: Hong Chau is now at the bottom of the starring cast list as she has appeared and is credited as part of the main cast on "If You Don't Like My Story, Write Your Own" (episode 4) and while Jean Smart is now second to last. — YoungForever (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
This page says user/audience ratings can not be included yet the shows Dark and Chernobyl include user ratings on their pages as well as The Shawshank Redemption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:981:C200:1230:2044:941E:6B42:C88 ( talk) 20:41, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
It seems obvious that the Rotten Tomatoes "Audience Score" for this show (now at 42 percent, as of November 12, 2019) cannot be included on the page for political reasons. I would not have guessed that Wikipedia would fall prey to censorship, "protecting" readers from the unpopular Audience Score of 42 percent. - Slowmusketeer ( talk) 19:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I am going to wait to judge coverage of episodes individually until after the next one (3rd) but I think there's a good likelihood each is individually notable, between episode reviews and production stuff (eg there's the THR article today on part of Lord's play + more.) -- Masem ( t) 03:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Ep5 definitely had enough sourcing for it between production and reviews so I've started its article Little Fear of Lightning. The others probably can to at this point. Remember to keep plots on these pages to under 700 words. -- Masem ( t) 16:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I get that he was listed as a star and featured prominently in the trailer, but, may it please the court, it's becoming increasingly clear that that was an intentional hoax to make his sudden death near the end of the first episode more unexpected. - Immigrant laborer ( talk) 04:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
There are a few characters, such as Sister Night, Looking Glass, and Red Scare who are described in this particle as vigilantes, but they're really not. They're police officers, not private citizens, and like the other officers, they disguise their identity. They differ in that they have, for lack of better terms, a schtick.
We know they're not considered vigilantes within the fictional world because the vigilante hunters of the FBI don't go after them. Instead, the FBI works with them the way they might with any local police. For this reason, I suggest we call them costumed police officers, if we need to distinguish them from the regular cops who are masked with yellow balaclavas or scarves but otherwise wear police uniforms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.116.79 ( talk) 01:54, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
I went ahead and made a couple of changes after confirming that the cited sources did not refer to the costumed police officers as vigilantes. I left the term alone wherever it applied, of course.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.116.79 ( talk) 21:27, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
At least with Ep7's airing, we should not identify Cal as equivalent to Dr. Manhatten (though I've seen the rumors that it looks like the same actor that may be playing him in Ep 8, at which point we can add that). As best we can tell up to Ep7 without synthesis, Abdul-Mateen played the character of Cal, who we know had something in his head based on Dr. Manhattan, but it's not clear Cal was aware he was Dr. Manhattan. At this point, we know Cal was just a human shell with this device in his head. We may learn more next week. -- Masem ( t) 04:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Apparently the original source for that one is a video interview he gave to LeJorne Pindling of Street Law Productions back in 2008, so it might be better to verify and cite that rather than a 2019 article quoting it.
ZoeB ( talk) 11:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Angela's three kids are listed here as "Doyle", which is the surname of their deceased biological father. If they're just being fostered, then this is probably correct. However, HBO's site says "Topher Abar" is their adopted son: https://www.hbo.com/watchmen/cast-and-crew/topher-abar. I'm not sure if Emma and Rosie are adopted, though. IMDB lists "Emma Abar" but no last name for "Rosie": https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7049682/fullcredits. Where would we be able to find an authoritative source here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.116.79 ( talk) 05:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
The show credits don't mention their last name, but HBO's site confirms that their brother Topher's last name is Abar, not Doyle, and multiple sources refer to all three as adopted. There is no reason to think that he changed his last name but they didn't, and no source even suggests it.
Moreover, we have a variety of sources specifically confirming that one or both of the girls are named Abar. This includes their own Instagram accounts, which post exclusive pictures and have tens of thousands of followers, and sites like this:
This looks like an open and shut case to me. 68.197.116.79 ( talk) 01:39, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source.on MOS:TVCAST. In addition, when I removed that there wasn't a reliable source to your claims. — YoungForever (talk) 23:26, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
There are unnecessary spoilers in the Cast and Characters section. For example it states that Calvin Abar is a form of Dr. Manhattan and that Trieu's daughter is actually her clone. I am 4 episodes into the series and this has not yet been established. These are unnecessary spoilers and rather frustrating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.8.120.201 ( talk • contribs)
The issue is not that spoilers exist, but that they are in the Cast and Characters section. A user wishing to read about casting information will be exposed to spoilers. Spoilers should exist in Plot Sections or in Episode Summaries, not in the Cast and Characters section. I have had two major plot details spoiled simply because I wanted to see who plays a character. Information about major plot points should not exist in a section regarding casting as is the case on all other Wikipedia pages regarding TV Series/Films that I have encountered (read: thousands). wikipedia pages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.8.120.201 ( talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 18:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm surprised anyone wants to keep spoilers here. The contested wording only ruins the show for those who haven't seen it yet. Why is this controversial? Illdave ( talk) 17:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)illdave
The table is looking a little empty and theres a reason for that. Some episodes couldn't be sourced with Live+7 and there's only one further one that could be. Would people be okay with a combined Live+7 and Live+3 to fill in the blanks? There are Live+3 numbers for every episode. Or should I just source the remaining Live+7 episode that can be and leave the rest of the fields as n/a? Esuka ( talk) 00:33, 11 January 2020 (UTC)