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The Bulgars of Kubrat's son and appointed heir Batbayan Bezmer moved from the Azov region in about AD 660, commanded by the Kazarig Khagan Kotrag to whom he had surrendered.
Where is the quoted source for this change? I've been interested in this matter for years and not once have I found any text claiming that Kotrag was not a son of Kubrat but some sort of Kazarig general, whatever that might mean. This change has also been made on the pages of Kotrag and Kubrat, again without quoting an sources? Jorram ( talk) 07:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Something wrong happened to the sentence after the last edit:
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Anyone who know the truth, please fix. Mikkalai 05:25, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Of course, truth!
Bulgaria was founded around 660 by Kotrag Khan, the son of Kubrat Khan.
At the confluence of the Volga and Kama rivers an independent state was founded around the year 800.
These two statements seem to conflict and either it should be clarified what the difference is, or one should be removed. -- Juicy 04:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Produced in the 1930s unsubstantiated "Sun Language Theory" and "Solar theory of history"-axis with the wikipedia reason for this false history and ethnographic mission officials would like to invite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebaali ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
If the capital was Muslim, isn't the entire state related to Islam too? Misheu 09:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
this article has been written by some ravenous panturanist,NOT A SINGLE HISTORICAL SOURCE SAYS THAT THE BULGAR LEADERS WERE CALLED KHANS.The Danube Bulgars made stone inscriptions and there they call their leader's title BEFORE the name.And the title is KANASUBIGI(in iranian-"placed from god") not "khan".
The fact that you so definitely say that the Bulgars were turkic shows how much you know Bulgar history.There are 18 hypotheses of their origin and NONE has been 100% proved yet.Most of the facts link to the iranian theory however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BulgarEmperor ( talk • contribs) Latebird 18:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
>>>>>>>>>>>Actually it is not "doubtless" that the Bulgars spoke a Turkic language, as modern Bulgarian has a huge load of Iranic/Persian words, that are still in modern Iranian languages today, and this after the Bulgar language fused with a slavic language. Other sources I've sen mention that Bulgar was a language related to Turkic - prototype Turkic, so not really Turkic in the first place. 41.132.116.116 ( talk) 09:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
How do you justify removing two references from the article? Unless you can provide more authoritative sources yourself, that is considered vandalism. -- Latebird
And what sources to Britannica and Campbrige provide?That's it-NONE.Even Britannica says "The Bulgars,people PROBABLY from turkic origin!" What sources can you provide that the Bulgars at Volga talked turkic BEFORE mongol invasions?Again i will remove these bullshitted titles "Kotrag Khan" it shows nothing more than your own ignorance because like i said-NOT A SINGLE PROOF IS FOUND FOR THE TITLE OF THE BULGARS BEING "KHAN".In their own stone inscriptions we the Danube Bulgars call their leaders "Kanasubigi(iranian=placed from god)" and the title is BEFORE the name itself!But i suppose some turkish nationalists and panturkists here know better than them?
>>>>>THIS CAN BE SETTLED ONCE AND FOR ALL - GO READ THE TALK PAGE OF THE BULGARS, LATEST SECTION - COMPLAINT OF RACISM - TO SEE ALL THE SOURCES SHOWING EXTREMELY STRONG EVIDENCE THAT THE BULGARS WERE IRANIC - IT IS PROVEN BY DNA EVIDENCE DONE LAST YEAR - MODERN BULGARIANS AND THUS BULGARS ARE VERY CLOSE TO IRANIC/PAMIRIAN PEOPLE AND VERY FAR FROM TURKIC AND SLAVIC PEOPLE. ARGUMENT IS OVER! 41.132.116.116 ( talk) 09:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Emperor.
PS. The wikipedia PROBABLY is not a place to show someone's Anti-Turkism.
This is not anti Turkisism at all, but simply aknowledgement of facts and recent evidence which does not only suggest that they were not Turkic, but basically proves that they were Iranic - from the DNA research done by the 2010 Tangra Bulgarian expedition in Tajikistan (Iranic land) - http://thearchaeologicalbox.com/en/news/dna-analysis-reveals-pamir-origin-bulgarians) AND - http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=117006)- it showed, pretty clearly, that the modern Bulgarians (and thus their ancestors the Bulgars) are very close genetically to Iranic/Pamirian people and very far from Turkic and Slav people, and lets not forget the huge number of Iranic words in modern Bulgarian too - the Bulgars were most probably NOT TURKIC SPEAKING, I have even read in other places in the internet (non Bulgarian) saying that it is only assumed that they spoke a Turkic language - in other words there is not lots of evidence at all of a Turkic language. AND YOU SAY THE TATARS ARE NOT OF BULGAR ORIGIN - ARE YOU RETARTED - OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING OF HISTORY - OH MY WORD! EVEN THE CITY OF KAZAN NOW, AT THE MOMENT, ADMITS TO BE DESCENDED FROM THE BULGARS - THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE, NOT TO MENTION THE MANY PHOTOS ON THE INTERNET SHOWING GRAFFITI ON THE STREETS SAYING "LONG LIVE BULGARIA" AND IN A SOCCER MATCH IN KAZAN (CAPITAL OF TATARSTAN)THE CROWD WAS WAVING A BULGARIAN FLAG. TO SAY THAT YOU DONT KNOW ANY HISTORY! ( http://groznijat.tripod.com/b_lang/bl_a_v.html) AND THE MANY SIMILARITIES OF MODERN BULGARIAN CULTURE TO IRANIC CULTURE - : http://samoistina.at.ua/2/similarities.htm - SCHOLARLY SOURCES. Before you talk nonsense first educate yourself and then comment. 146.232.75.208 ( talk) 07:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Chuvash people actually have a language which has both strong turkic and iranic elements and is not understood easily by other turkomongols from Altai. The Bulgars at Volga mixed with local finno-ugrics and later turkomongols of Gehghis Khan and you try to tell me that the Chuvash are their pure descendants? What arab sources saying the language was turkic?In fact Ibn Fadlan clearly differates them from the turkics living on the borders of the state.Check those many articles here which say the title "was Khan" and see what references provide?Works of the long dead historian Zlatarski and his gang?Or maybe Irechek?Both pure russophiles which together with the "turkic origin" taught to them by the russians also say that the Danube Bulgars were "10 000" and after defeating the 60 000 army of Constantine IV they created the state and melted immediately amongs the slavs.(therefore Bulgarians are "pure slavs" and must feel close Russia and later USSR). Not a single of the references in Wikipedia can provide a source for the title being "Khan".Same goes btw for the belief in "Tengri".
P.S. If some turks want a greater Turan with Bulgaria included then they should go and howl in the greywolf sites,not Wikipedia.Live in Turkey no one wants your extermination just don't make such ridiculous claims over Bulgarians because it makes you look funny.Not only you in person-every panturkist in the world who says Bulgars were "turkics".
The chuvash language is not understandable to the othet turkomongols it's quite distinct from them although it has turkic influence.There is exactly zero sources about volga Bulgar language neither turkomongol neither iranian but in the Danube bulgarian it's different and i use it for the volga ones also.
Continue your propaganda the greywolf leaders will be proud of you!
yours sincerely -- Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also: ә? Ә!) 21:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I followed several wikipedia links to this page after reading in several places about the apparent link between some of the peoples of Volga Bulgaria and the ancient Huns. Yet the chronology set force in this article places the Bulgar arrival in the region much later than other sources and is silent on the Hun issue. What's going on here? Ftjrwrites ( talk) 13:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
What if the people who entered into Itil banks was a mixture of Huns (Onugrs) and Megyers having a strong Danube Bulgarian roots? To this please add also influence of Komi, Komi-Permjakki, Udmurt, Mari, Erzja, Metserä,and Muromi peoples. The traders have remarcable habit to mix with each other. Itil Bolharia was one of the main trading centers of its time on the area. Where are Imens and Burtas? The Itil Bolghars seems to be one people among others who lived also in the area. Later forming the ruling class under Itiläbär / Kaani / Eteläpääri. Then the Chuvass people who seems to be of origin Bolghars, but spoked a mixture of one ancient Finno Ugrian language and old Bolghar language and were mixed with Maris. There lived also Kozaris and Boshkortis, Russian refuges and Jews, Arabs and Tatars. Balts, Liivis, Kuuris, Korelois, Vesis and Vadjas. And of course Khazaris. It was not totally ethnically a Bolghar Khaganate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.119.165 ( talk) 19:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
THE ONOGURS WERE NOT HUNS - TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW LITTLE HISTORY - THE ONOGURS WERE BULGARS. THE BULGARS NEVER HAD ANY GENETIC CONNECTION WITH THE HUNS (THE HUNS BY THE WAY ARE NOT EVEN PROVEN TURKIC, EVERYONE JUST ASSUMES EVERY TRIBE IN THE WORLD TO BE TURKIC), THE BULGARS JOINED THE HUN RAIDS A COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE EARLIEST KNOW BULGAR STATE - THE KINGDOM OF BALHARA, AND THEY VOLUNTEERED FOR THE HUN RAIDS - THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE SUBJUGATED BY THE HUNS 146.232.75.208 ( talk) 07:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
The flag in the article seems to be a mix of the flag of Kazan Khanate and the modern flag of Tatarstan. I'm taking it away until someone provides a reliable source for the image. SuvarS ( talk) 12:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Someone had reuploaded it with no source again, so I removed it. Vassil01 ( talk) 08:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Please stop removing from the infobox info referenced into the text of the article. Discuss the changes here and gain a consensus. Thank you. Jingiby ( talk) 08:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
the sentence is formulated twice with same meaning. the second sentence is my own formulation.-- 85.212.116.43 ( talk) 05:53, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, please explain this edit ( [2]), Thank You( KIENGIR ( talk) 10:25, 21 August 2019 (UTC))
There is no historical record for the basis of the claim of Uran leading a Mongol army into Bolghar Samara. See the article (much revised/corrected) on the Battle of Samara Bend. Also, this section is COMPLETELY un-referenced and has been tagged before so that Reliable Sources can be cited! 104.169.21.247 ( talk) 09:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Volga Bulgaria is the state of ancient Chuvash people.
VОLSKA BULGARIA VII-X century
We owe the first information about Volga Bulgaria to the Arab geographers of the 9th century - Khorezmi and Ibn Khurazdbih, and the most detailed is the Persian Ibn Rusta, who wrote in Arabic (the beginning of the 10th century).[1] They note that the proto-Bulgarians live in forested areas, do not have an established state, and Islam has penetrated among them. The population of the country consists of different tribes: Proto-Bulgarians, Barsilis, Esegelis, Savirs, Baranjars.[1]
Заимова, Райна – „Арабски извори за българите“ Тангра ТанНакРа 2000
Volga Bulgaria is a multicultural entity. It is made up of the Kutriguri (Kotragi), Savari (Saviri), Barsili (Bersuli), Esegeli tribes, as well as the Billiards, who founded the city of Billiard. The cities of Bolgar, Bilyar and Suvar are capital cities of the multicultural state. Many archaeological finds testify that there were also Armenians along the Middle Volga valley. They probably ended up in Volga Bulgaria after the persecution by the Arabs in 852. Then waves of Armenian immigrants rushed to Khazaria, Byzantium and Volga Bulgaria. Khorezmians are also strongly represented Владимиров, Георги Дунавска България и Волжка България VII – IX в. 2007, ИК „Орбител“ 53 стр — Preceding unsigned comment added by Георгиалександров2 ( talk • contribs) 12:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
The lede of this article mentions several groups the Bulgars monopolized trade between, including the Avars. The term "Avar" refers to several historical groups that had/have no relation to one another, and I think the current link may be misleading. The cureent link redirects to the Avars (Caucasus), an ethnic group in the North Caucasus, but I think the intent is to refer to the Pannonian Avars, an early medieval steppe confederation in Eastern Europe. It looks like the Caucasian Avars did have a medieval state (the Avar Khanate) but it appears to have been small, fairly far from Volga Bulgaria and had only just been founded when Volga Bulgaria was about to be destroyed.
This is a minor point, and I'm only putting this in the talk page because I'm unsure of the answer. ComradeKublai ( talk) 17:55, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
The Coat of Arms of Volga Bulgaria can be traced to the Dulo Dynasty, the ruling Dynasty of Volga Bulgaria. Just like the Achaemenid Empire who's representation is the Standard of Cyrus the Great. It can be considered the Coat of Arms as even the Bulgarian Wikipedia page has it. Levmih ( talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)