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FYI, the resolutions passed by the UNGA and UNSC (under Chapter 6 of the UN Charter) are non-binding. "The UN has never passed a binding, enforceable resolution against Israel" [1]. "All UNSC resolutions related to Israel were promulgated under Chapter VI." [2] "None of the resolutions relating to the Israeli-Arab conflict comes under Chapter Seven." [3]. Here's another example: [4]. Unless you can prove otherwise, please undo your changes to this and other similar articles. Thanks. ← Humus sapiens ну? 12:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I do not think it unreasonable to edit, with sources, the article to reflect the points stated above: That some analysts consider, though it is not stated, that these resolutions were invoked under VI, and also that other analysts say it is "generally agreed" that VI is non-binding, etc. Also, we can note how the SC, when it wanted to make clear it was invoking VI in other resolutions, it did so explicitly.-- AladdinSE 06:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
This is not so confusing if you look at the resolutions in context. UNSC resolutions are passed within the context of international law and the provisions of the UN Charter. That's why the statements in the preamble to UNSC 242 emphasize "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war " and emphasize further "that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter." In other words the principles are already established by international law and the provisions of the Charter. The remaining recommendations are non-forcible (rather than non-binding) because it's already perfectly clear that Israel is not permitted to retain the territory captured in the war, but agreements between the parties involving small territorial adjustments based on the exchange of territory of comparable size and value were envisaged during the UNSC deliberations. -- Ian Pitchford 13:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The follwing goes for this article, and for UN Security Council Resolution 465 and UN Security Council Resolution 471 as well:
There is nothing " Syrian" about the Golan Heights. The Golan Height are occupied by Israel, they are not under Syrian control or governing. The fact that Syria once had owned them(/had control over them) is totally irrelevant, and is mentioned(along with the disputes regarding the Golan Height) in the appropriate place: The article about The Golan Heights.
Also, I see no evidence that:
What I do see is that S/RES/446, S/RES/465(also see here) and S/RES/471(also see here) don't mention anything about the Golan Heights being Syrian. They refer to the "Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem". This is the phrasing we should use, too.
The article at wikipedia is called "Golan Heights", not "The Syrian Heights" or "The Syrian golan Heights", and for a reason. The CIA World Factbook also calles them simply the "Golan Heights", without anything "Syrian"( CIA World Factbook: Israel, CIA World Factbook: Syria). This is the common name, and it is reasonable to use it, esspecially considering the international politcal dispute over the Heights. calling them the "Syrian Golan Heights" in any article besdies The Golan Heights itself is very POV. What would you say if I'd change it into "The Israeli Golan Heights"?...
And even if the UN considers the Golan Height to be Syrian(unproven by AladdinSE yet), the UNSC did not say so in the resolutions we're talking about, so it is irrelevant. There is no reason to keep it. It is a major POV, and is backed by exactly ZERO evidence and no logical reasoning. conio.h • talk 17:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I have offered a source, the
Wikipedia article itself clearly articulates what the UN position is. Are you really claiming to be ignorant of the UN position on the Golan? It is the same as the rest of the world's. It's really this simple: The article is about a UN resolution. The UN considers the Golan to be Syrian. Stating this is NPOV. --
AladdinSE 06:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The article states:
Secondly, it is only intended to cover forcible transfers and to protect the local population from displacement. Article 49(1)of the Convention specifically covers "[i]ndividual or mass forcible transfers" whereas the Israelis who live in the settlements have moved there voluntarily, and argue that settlements are not intended to, nor have ever resulted in, the displacement of Palestinians from the area.
I think it needs to be made clear that this clause of Article 49 actually refers to the forcible transfers of those living in the Occupied Territory, ie the Palestinians. Whether or not Israel has done this through mass house demolitions/arrests is a different debate. I think the more salient clause in A49 is the last one:
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
This, surely, is what Israel is in contravention of, and there is no mention of the transfers being forcible or not.
I've added in a short sentence to this effect ("However, Article 49(6) also prohibits the 'transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies', which would cover the Israeli settlements."), and put in a reference to the text of the convention. 86.156.238.219 10:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Proposed editorial change of order, for clarity: the seventh-from-last paragraph in this section summarized the international consensus on the issue, and should logically appear at the end (the section currently ends with a series of paragraphs stating various Israeli objections, as if these were the "final word"). NPOV would be better served if the final paragraph were instead the text currently in the seventh-from-last paragraph, i.e.:
Israel's positions have not been accepted by the International Committee of the Red Cross, nor has it been endorsed by the other High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention. Article 1 of the Convention states that "The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances" (emphasis added).[9][10]
Note also that it makes more sense to refer to "Israel's positions" *after* they are stated, rather than before. DavidHeap ( talk) 03:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I tried to find an earlier UNSC resolution concerning the settlements without success. If this is the first such resolution, that would be a notable point perhaps worth mentioning in the article. Factsontheground ( talk) 01:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The current wording: Israel left the Gaza Strip in September 2005, and removed all of the settlements and military forces that were in it. Parts of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights remain under control of Israel as of today. Israel remains in control of Gaza's airspace and territorial waters. It has not controlled the Rafah crossing into Egypt since the unilateral disengagement plan of 2005 took effect.
might lead readers to conclude that Gaza is no longer considered occupied by Israel under international law, which is not the case. As the Gaza Strip article makes clear, Israel is still considered the occupying power in Gaza, by all relevant international bodies. In order to reflect this overall international consensus, the third and fourth sentences should be replaced with text that reflects these facts: "Because Israel exerts direct external control over Gaza and indirect control over life within Gaza, the United Nations, the UN General Assembly, the UN Fact Finding Mission to Gaza, International human rights organisations, US Government websites, and the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office all consider the Gaza Strip to be occupied by Israel, including effective security control of the Rafah crossing on the Egyptian border." see /info/en/?search=Gaza_Strip#cite_note-occ-22
DavidHeap ( talk) 03:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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