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Although raw Google web hit counts are unreliable (they're sometimes off by quite a bit, apparently because they're just rough estimates), Google Scholar hit counts are generally accurate (if you page through to the last pages of results, as many articles indeed turn us as the results count claimed), and do also show "transphobic violence" to be orders of magnitude more common than "trans bashing". Paging through Google Books results (and looking at
Ngrams, where "trans bashing" is too rare to even plot) suggests the same thing. "Transphobic violence" is, as you say, also in line with the category name. My main concern is whether a rename would change the scope of the article, which is currently scoped as including e.g. verbal abuse and hate speech (in like with "gay bashing", which also includes verbal abuse, and which seems to have been an inspiration for the current article title), as well as media depictions and bathroom laws that contribute to increasing harassment, which some might object to calling "violence". However, their role in promoting violence might be enough to retain them (the sections are small anyway) in a renamed article; the current article's section on bathroom bills, for example, could probably be condensed, partly offloaded to
Bathroom bill and partly and worked into the section on harassment in bathrooms, especially with more refs which connect bathroom bills to increased harassment in bathrooms.
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Weak oppose. One point in favour of the current name is that it parallels our existing article on
gay bashing however
Jew bashing redirects to
antisemitism so it is not like we have any consistent naming precedent on "bashing" articles. XTheBedrockX is correct to point out that this is not a particularly widely used term (much less so that "gay bashing") so I understand the desire to rename. I'm just not sure that the suggested replacement name is ideal. In particular I worry that using the word "transphobic" is only going to attract disruptive attention from people who want to erase or minimise that word. I'd be prepared to weakly support a rename to "Violence against transgender people". I'd also be prepared to support a merge with
Transgender inequality, due to the overlap, although I'm aware that that could be a lot of work. I don't think the current name is too bad but there is scope for improvement. --
DanielRigal (
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22:22, 9 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak support "Trans-bashing" sound far too much like slang and uncyclopedic. I'm actually having a hard time finding the word actually used in a non-colloquial context. And I've seen it applied widely to anything vaguely transphobic, not in the narrower sense meant here. "Transpohobic violence" is better, but I see that it narrows it perhaps too much (although the meaning of "violence" can include non-physical assault). Perhaps "Transphobic bullying"?
Walrasiad (
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01:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Addressing only the "hard time finding" comment: I
searched Google news, and the first page of results is full of articles with this term. (I have my search options set to 100 results per page; you may have to page-forward ten times if you use the default setting.) Not sure how you view "colloquial", but as new sources, these results would count as reliable sources for determining COMMONNAME. Thanks,
Mathglot (
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22:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure we need this article at all. The lead sounds like it is about individual acts of violence against trans people, but the body doesn't follow through on this. Such content can exist at
Violence against transgender people in the United States. The body comments on laws (including
synthesis, like the U.N. section), healthcare and societal discrimination. But this content has a place at
Legal status of transgender people or
Transgender health care or
Transgender inequality (mental health issues from societal discrimination/bigotry) etc.It appears to me that most sources used here don't mention "trans bashing" and the article falls into
synthesis. I don't think a typical reader would be able to explain the article's scope is or how it differs from
Transgender inequality or
Transphobia. I'm not sure there's any page title that would work; I'd recommend a broader discussion about setting the scope for overlapping trans-related articles at
WikiProject LGBT studies. —
Bilorv (talk)
21:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. Sounds like a more encyclopedic name and seems like the common name too ("trans bashing" doesn't show up on an ngram at all, whereas the proposed title does). —
Amakuru (
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13:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment There are quite a few articles with names of the form, "Anti-FOO sentiment". The great majority of these are about countries or nationalities, but religions and ethnicities also appear. But the problem with anti-trans sentiment and suggestions like Hostility towards transgender people, is that they seem too broad, and perhaps would work better as redirects to
Transphobia, if they are needed at all.
Mathglot (
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22:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment. If this article title is changed, then the article scope will have to be restricted, as words are not violence. So references to things like harassment and hate speech will have to be removed from the article.
Rreagan007 (
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01:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The
United Nations defines violence against women as "any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual, or mental harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life" (italics added)
WHO, "Violence Against Women"; For infants and younger children, violence mainly involves child maltreatment (i.e. physical, sexual and emotional abuse and neglect) at the hands of parents and other authority figures (italics added)
WHO, "Violence Against Children"Rotideypoc41352 (
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05:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)reply
This definition of violence definitely fits the scope of this article, I think. Violence isn't always necessarily physical, and I had trouble putting that into exact words, but these UN definitions certainly help.
XTheBedrockX (
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15:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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