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I think it is overopinionated to infer that every film produced by Asylum is a "mockbuster" without sources to back up each film claimed as such. Obviously, many of these films appear to be cashing in on the films they are suggested to be "mockbusting", but WP:NPOV doesn't allow us to only go by our own opinions. For example, Death Racers was originally announced as an independent production called Road Rage. There was no mention of Asylum distributing it until it came out. Is there any evidence that this title was produced by Asylum, rather than only being distributed by the company? Are there any verifiable sources referring to the film as a "mockbuster"? This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. ( Sugar Bear ( talk) 02:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC))
Okay, I must bring this issue up. The user Magnius has been adding a number of questionable sources that do not appear to be reliable in any way, such as blogs and non-notable DVD review sites. I have brought these up for questioning at the reliable sources noticeboard, but have yet to receive a response. This user's latest, editor, implies a level of bias on the user's part. Citation 15 (LA Times Hollywood Backlot) does not refer to the film Death Racers as a "mockbuster" of Death Race, but only states "No, this is not the Jason Statham film". That is too loose and vague. I was under the impression that it had been agreed that the section should only be used for films that have been factually verified by reliable source as being "mockbusters". Wikipedia goes by what can be factually verified by a reliable source, not by the opinions of its editors. It is required for an article to have an unbiased, factually verified view of its subject. ( Sugar Bear ( talk) 17:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC))
Are or aren't these films from The Asylum? http://www.theasylum.cc/product.php?id=162 http://www.theasylum.cc/product.php?id=171 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.43.238.3 ( talk • contribs)
Is Echo Bridge a new name for Asylum? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.251.147 ( talk) 21:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Contrary to what some people may think, the table is inherently useful, as it allows users to see all of the studio's knockoffs at a glance. As I see it, removing the table should be considered an act of vandalism. Captainsiberia ( talk) 22:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
i agree that the table should stay. you can't claim elsewhere in the article that they are famous for ripping of other movies if you don't provide a clear list of 'homages' they have produced so far —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.127.246.160 ( talk) 21:18, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Before adding a title to the List of mockbusters section, it is very important that you provide reliable references that clearly state that the title is a mockbuster of a better-known movie. Reliable sources include newspaper or magazine websites such as The Chicago Tribune or Entertainment Weekly. Entries without references will be deleted immediately. Use of The Asylum's official site is greatly frowned upon, so entries using The Asylum as a reference will also be deleted. - Areaseven ( talk) 02:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
They really tricked people with 11/11/11. ITs a mockbuster of 11-11-11. Its their biggest fraud yet. And yes its real. Its all over netflix and redbox tricking millions and really giving the original a bad name as most people dont know they have duped. Habving the movie in your hands apparently isnt a good enouph source, lol. A company like Netflix actively renting the film is not a verifiable source. You just need Chicago tribune? Has wiki gone full Retard? who is the Mod on this page and why arent they fired? Where can I make a complaint? The mod is no doubt working for Asylum so they can scam more people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.44.191 ( talk) 16:17, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
What happened to 11-11-11 , the spoof of 11/11/11? As well as countless films to dupe moviegoers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.102.130 ( talk) 18:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
On February 13, Wisdomtenacityfocus removed the list comparing major movie releases and Asylum's derivative releases. This came as quite a shock to me when I was telling my friends about The Asylum and what they do and came here to show them the list to drive home what an awful company they were only to find it missing. I could remember a couple of movies offhand, but it was disappointing not being able to show them the full list of rip-offs that was once here.
I don't understand Wisdomtenacityfocus's stated reason for removing the list of "it's not important to include a list here as there is already a template, and many sources simply refer to the films existing, not always labeling them as mockbusters." I'm not trying to insult him, I simply legitimately can't understand what he means by that. Can someone think of a good reason that the list should have been removed, or clarify what he meant with his reasoning? Personally I feel like it was a wonderful part of the page that pretty much summed up what The Asylum is as a company very well, almost making the rest of the article moot, and now that it has been removed I feel like it's really lost something.
Dilcoe ( talk) 22:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Why it's not allowed to add Titanic (1997 film) to the table in the line of Titanic II? It's clearly visable from the camera ankles and some of the score and even from the line about the "Ismay-Rosejack threshold", which is a direct reference. 93.217.216.232 ( talk) 15:32, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I do, don't I? So don't insult me. But anyway: I've seen that film. The camera views and some of the music score is similar to "Titanic" by James Cameron. Also there is a line in the movie that the "Ismay-Rosejack threshold" has been exceeded. Ismay is surely a reference to Bruce Ismay and Rosejack is a reference to the two lead characters from James Camerons movie. Isn't this reference enough to show that "Titanic II" is a mockbuster to Titanic (1997 film)? Right now it says: "Do not add Titanic (1997 film) to this section!" Why not? P.S.; Was that english enough? 87.143.192.43 ( talk) 17:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I added it. Its obviously a mokubluster of it. Any random idiot is obviosuly going to assume Titanic 2 is a seuqal to Titanic 1...especially since Asylum never fucking made a Titanic 1. In fact it is maybe the only true title that would be hands down forced to change if Jsmes Cameron took them to court. You can't call something a seuqal if there was never a first movie to begin with...unless you are trying to trick people into thinking your movie is a sequal of another movie...which they are. 108.71.88.88 ( talk) 16:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Here is an article about the announcement of the 3D re-release of Titanic: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=67688 The article is from July 2010. So the announcement itself was earlier and according to IMDB the movie was released August-September 2010. And I read many articles about how these low-budged movies are made and the longest production time is 3 month. So there is also less. In this case it would be 1,5 months, which is normal for trash movies.
Furthermore, The Asylum never explains the inspirations for their movies. They never say: "Our latest movie is a mockbuster to the blockbuster XYZ of we want to catch profit from.", because they might get arrested for copyright infringement. Furthermore many movie reviewers and critics see it that way. Here is a line from a german critic site "Filmstarts" for Titanic II (quoted in the german article) "The worst trash ... and the only connection with the original (they mean the 1997 movie) is the iceberg". Do you think, it is enought? 87.143.200.165 ( talk) 16:51, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
So Areaseven reverted my edit of adding 2012: Ice Age to the list because it's not a mockbuster of 2012 and The Day After Tomorrow. I do admit that I was wrong to put The Day After Tomorrow but it still looks like a legitamate mockbuster of 2012. Heck, the only reason I know about the movie is because my friend watched it thinking it was 2012's sequel. So are we really gonna say that 2012: Ice Age isnt a Mockbuster of 2012? I mean, the date 2012 isnt even mentioned in the movie, so it was clearly added to confuse people into thinking it was related to 2012, even if 2012: Ice Age came out in 2011 and 2012 came out in 2010. Plus even if it's not a mockbuster it still at least should be on the list. It IS an Asylum movie. Smear-Gel ( talk) 13:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion the dramaturgy is very similar to The Final Countdown. Sure, now it's a plane, and it's about the Nazis, but everyone who watched both films can see (even with his eyes closed) that this is based on that old film. -- Foerdi ( talk) 21:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Different directors (but then so has Lavalantula and Sharknado 3 and they overlap) but does anyone know if there is a connection between Asteroid versus Earth and Airplane versus Volcano ?
Or maybe if anything connects the 4 Mega Shark films with the 2/3 "Headed Shark" films or the Sharknado/Lavalantuoa tetraology?
Basically wondering how many films reference each other in shared universes, however subtle. 64.228.88.108 ( talk) 22:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)