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It is not necessary to create a separate
List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka here, because this list is the standard 'non state terrorist incidents by country' page of Sri Lanka. No terrorist incidents by country lists have used the word (non state) in it's title as
terrorist incident redirects to the list of non state terrorist incidents parent article. When I created this list and during the
Afd, I have clearly mentioned that this list as a non state terrorist incidents list in the lead section of the article ( you have removed the term [non-state] recently to mislead the other users). The content you have added may be well referenced but they are not relevant to this article. Surprisingly during the
Afd you were not interested to add those/expand this article rather than vehemently trying to delete it. Now after it was decided to keep as a non state terrorist incidents of Sri Lanka, you are trying to condemn this list and frustrate me by adding irrelevant content to it. I am not trying to own this article, but anyone who edits this list should adhere to the standards and guidelines of WP, irrespective of their edit counts.--
LahiruGtalk 05:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)reply
You are arguing
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS again, like you did at the Afds to no avail. I removed the term "non-state" because the title does not include it. You cannot call an article something and then restrict its content - that is taking
onwership of the article. The content is relevant because they are terrorist incidents. You tried to exclude non-state terrorism from
Terrorism in Sri Lanka but at the DRN you were slapped down and had to grudgingly allow non-state terrorism in the article. Now you are tying to do the same with this article. I'm afraid it is you who is violating policies, specifically
WP:NPOV, by restricting the content to terrorist incidents you disapprove of. If you want restrict the content please go and create
List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka.--obi2canibetalkcontr 15:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)reply
I have already explained to you why it is not necessary to rename this list or to create a new article. When I created this list and during the AfD I have clearly stated that, this is the list of [non-state] terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka and the term (non-state) was not used as it is a standard in WP not to use it in terrorist incidents by country pages, because
Terrorist incident redirects to the list of non state terrorist incidents parent article. This is a different page and the decision at the DRN by the mediator to add "brief overview of a sub-topic (State terrorism is a sub topic of overall terrorism) " is not relevant to the list of (non state) terrorist incidents of Sri Lanka. After I have created this list you vehemently tried to delete it by doing anything you could have done, but after it was
decided to keep this list as a non state terrorist incidents of Sri Lanka, now you are shamelessly trying add irrelevant information to denigrate its value. --
LahiruGtalk 05:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)reply
And I have already explained that you are arguing
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and taking
onwership of the article by limiting the content to terrorist incidents you disapprove of. Wikipedia isn't run according to the diktats of one editor. It is run according to policies and guidelines a number of which you are violating. You keep referring to
Terrorist incident but ignore the fact that it has been redirected. If we are to follow this as an example, this article should be redirected
List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka.--obi2canibetalkcontr 14:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)reply
As I have said already the issue is not the ownership of this list or other stuff exists arguments. Your self, your friends and any other users who are interested can contribute and add non state terrorist incidents in this article. though it was agreed to add a brief summary at the DRN about 'state terrorism' in the page '
terrorism in Sri Lanka', now you are using that as an excuse to attack the SL government by adding irrelevant content to
Terrorism in Sri Lanka and this list. SL gov forces are the legitimate forces that protect the independent country of Sri Lanka and they have the right to eliminate Marxist or any other form of terrorism from its territory to protect all the citizens live in the country. Wikipedia do not accept incidents that have happened as a result of any gov. forces using its forces to protect its territory as
terrorist incidents. If you do not accept this, i am afraid you have to challenge the policies and standards of Wikipedia uses for terrorism, before adding those contents (I have already added them to the
relevant article). You are so stubborn (or may be any other user is forcing/instructing you to do so) and do not accept it and that is the only problem I see here. Since
terrorist incident redirects to the list of non state terrorist incidents, it is totally unnecessary to deviate from the accepted policies and standards of Wikipedia to make this a special list to satisfy the users who are hating Sri Lankan government for saving the citizens of Sri Lanka from various forms of extremists. --
LahiruGtalk 07:16, 6 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I haven't done any thing against the Wikipedia policies here, rather than following the standards of similar lists to create this one. As I have said earlier, none of the non-state
terrorist incident lists by country/city have used the word (non-state) in their titles, other-than in the parent list of
terrorist incidents. Concidering the content I have decided to move this to the
suggested title. But still you haven't given a valid policy to do so, other than blaming me and SL forces in your reply above. No one, whether they are gov forces of a country or extremists have the right to kill or harm civilians. If anyone has committed crimes they will be surely punished (unless they are already punished) by the natural law of
Karma one-day in my view. Similarly if someone did good to the others they will defenitely recieve the good consequences and due respect
for their deeds one day. --
LahiruGtalk 09:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)reply
English Wikipedia administrator
User:Tavix moved the parent list
List of non-state terrorist incidents to
List of terrorist incidents on 8 March 2017, to sync with all other terrorist incident related articles. Hence this article also moved back to 'List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka' to remove the term 'non-state' in its heading to emulate with other non-state terrorist incidents by country lists. --
LahiruGtalk 09:22, 21 March 2017 (UTC)reply
This has been discussed before. You cannot move without getting consensus.--
Obi2canibe (
talk) 12:35, 28 March 2017 (UTC)reply
The 'consensus' you are referring here must be your personal approval to move this page to the normal title since you have claimed the
ownership of many Sri Lankan civil war related articles for sometime now. Currently the WP terrorist incidents lists by countries, including the
master/parent list, do not use the term “non-state” in the page titles. Therefore I firmly believe that this list should also move to the title ‘List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka’ to sync with the other list of terrorist incidents by countries in WP. However I have not reverted your move to prevent an unnecessary
edit war, but notified this issue at
WP:ANI to correct the title of this page. --
LahiruGtalk 10:48, 30 March 2017 (UTC)reply
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This article was renamed recently
List of (non-state) terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka to
List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka without any discussion. The reason for the inclusion of "(non-state)" in the title was that some editors refuse to allow non-state incidents to be included in this list (see discussion above from August/September 2015). As long as this continues to be the case "(non-state)" needs to in the title.--
Obi2canibe (
talk) 14:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Terrorist incidents are usually (though not always) identified with attacks against the public or the government, hence the distinction "State terrorism". And an article about
State terrorism already exists, why not include incidents related to the state there? It would make more sense while also complimenting the article itself.--
Blackknight12 (
talk) 15:36, 15 June 2018 (UTC)reply
There is no reason whatsoever to include "non-state" in the title as all other country specific terrorist incidents articles do not contain the term "non-state" in the title including the parent
List of terrorist incidents. This article also should follow the same terrorist incidents articles and kept in-line with them. But unfortunately one user who vehemently
tried to delete this article when it was created, now pretends that he doesn't understand the definition of 'terrorism' to keep "non-state" in the title of the page. --
LahiruGtalk 06:50, 16 June 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Blackknight12:State terrorism is not distinct from
terrorism, it is merely a form of terrorism. As the lede in terrorism says, it is used both by governments and non-state groups to abuse or denounce opposing groups. That is why
terrorism has a sub-section on
state terrorism, as do many of the country specific articles, including
Terrorism in Sri Lanka.
@
LahiruG: Similar articles don't have "non-state" in their titles because they don't have an editor (you, in this case) who is preventing the inclusion of state terrorist incidents.
Terrorism is abhorrent, irrespective of who commits it. Making distinction between incidents, by conjuring up conditions to exclude them from a list, effectively condones some incidents and says the victims deserved to die. This is vile.--
Obi2canibe (
talk) 11:51, 24 June 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Obi2canibe: Terrorist incidents are committed by terrorist organizations such as Al-Kaeda and LTTE. Attacks attributed to government forces can not be categorized as terrorist incidents as the responsibility for those incidents lies with recognized armed forces of a specific country or their allies. Hence those incidents are not categorized under terrorist incidents, which is the current practice in Wikipedia. As an example Attacks attributed to Syrian forces are not categorized as terrorist incidents. see
list of terrorist incidents in Syria and
parent list. It is the same principle used in this page too.
Regarding your comment on me: If you were interested in including incidents to this list, then why did you try to delete this page first, when it was created in 2015? The reason for not having "non-state" in other country wise terrorist incidents lists is that those pages do not have an editor like you, who is always trying to whitewash crimes committed by a certain terrorist group while blaming the government and its forces for everything. --
LahiruGtalk 11:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
LahiruG: I'm afraid your first comment is simply your own opinion. The
State terrorism phenomenon has been long documented. The two examples you've provided are examples of
WP:NPOV as their titles suggest they are about something but their contents are about something else. Both need to be re-named.
The reason why I wanted to delete this article, as you know very well, was that it duplicated content from another article,
List of attacks attributed to the LTTE. We have proliferation of lists related to the Sri Lankan civil war as both sides try to score points by creating lists to showcase how horrid their opponents are.--
Obi2canibe (
talk) 14:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Obi2canibe: You cannot simply change the article name as your wish. Every editor who comment this talk session doesn't agree with you. Only you want to change the name. Reasons to keep name as
List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka
Similar articles don't have "non-state" in their titles
All other country specific terrorist incidents articles do not contain the term "non-state" in the title including the parent
List of terrorist incidents.
Please understand and don't change the name.
Randeepa
WP:PRECISION requires that article titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article. One editor has for many years insisted that non-state terrorist incidents can't be included in this article. If the article doesn't include non-state terrorist incidents it cannot be called
List of terrorist incidents in Sri Lanka.