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Militant would be better. As you know there is a discussion on just naming it Surinder Singh Sodhi.
CanadianSingh1469 (
talk) 10:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Requested move 21 June 2023
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Oppose no reason given, target is a redirect to Surinder Singh Sodhi (Field Hockey) but should probably be a dab.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 10:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
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edit conflict) This article was created today. I think it should go through the RM process; at the very least, evidence should be provided that this Surinder Singh Sodhi is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the field hockey player.
These disambiguators could be improved, though. I've uncapitalized the field hockey player's title, but I'm not sure what a better disambiguator for the one currently disambiguated (Sikh) would be [(militant) maybe?]. At the very least, it should be lowercased if a disambiguator is kept. Skarmory(talk •contribs) 10:20, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Well when you google Surinder Singh Sodhi the first thing that pops up is a biography of the militant
[1] Second is another biography
[2] Third is the Wikipedia page on the militant. If we go to books first one with preview is about a different Surinder Singh Sodhi
[3] Second is about he militant
[4] Third is also on the militant
[5]CanadianSingh1469 (
talk) 10:26, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I would probably still take this through RM on principle myself, but that'd be enough to convince me in a RM/TR request given I'm getting the same types of results. Unless In ictu oculi retracts his oppose, though, this will have to be taken to RM anyway (I believe at least, per the way this board runs). Skarmory(talk •contribs) 10:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
This has the potential for someone to object, not just that someone here has objected, as per
WP:PCM, so it should go to a full
WP:RM. -
Kj cheetham (
talk) 10:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Agreed. Specifiying that he is "Sikh" is not a helpful suggestion and should not be included in the title
Usingh0663 (
talk) 21:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support: the google results definitely favor the Sikh militant, and despite being created 4 days ago, the Sikh militant also already has a
decisive lead in pageviews over this past month. I think that's enough to support primary topic status between two targets. Skarmory(talk •contribs) 01:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. Probably the primary topic. Both are/were Sikhs in any case, so the current disambiguator is no disambiguation at all. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:47, 26 June 2023 (UTC)reply
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Assessment
I think this article should be assessed as a "A". Agree or disagree?
CanadianSingh1469 (
talk) 01:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It needs to be assessed for B criteria first. Right now it's C. —
DaxServer (
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c) 06:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)reply
C? It meets all the criteria for B and A, so how is it a C.
CanadianSingh1469 (
talk) 06:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi @
CanadianSingh1469, I'm not a reviewer, but there are a few things I would recommend changing.
Per
MOS:BLP, Sodhi and other people (ex. Bhindranwale) should be referred to by their surname following the first mention.
Merge some of the paragraphs in the Militancy section together. Ex. Railway and arrest; the various killings
Make sure your sources verify what you have written, and remove any unnecessary sources. Ex. Source 15 is cited multiple times, when it doesn't mention what is written, the section about the Jewelery Store Robbery is not support by its sources and sources 54 and 31 in Attack on DSP Gurbachan Singh also don't mention what precedes it, and seems unnecessary .
About point 3. Source 54 does mention what is cited. It goes into less detail about it compared to the second source. 31 also mentions and discusses what is cited. If you want I can provide quotes from those sources. Source 15 is cited twice. It is used in one part because it mentions Sodhi was arrested. The second time it mentions Sodhi was tortured so it is used. You seem to not have read the sources in the jewellery robbery section. The white paper source talks about the robbery and some details. The India Today source says Sodhi was involved. Please read the sources carefully. :)
CanadianSingh1469 (
talk) 22:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Yes, the sources do mention what happened, but they do not mention what happens in the sentence that precedes it:
Sodhi, Makhan, and the other militant attacked Gurbachan and his security with stenguns. The attack turned into a full, around, 30 minute shootout with a
constable and salesmen being killed. A
head constable, Karnail Singh, would later die of his wounds. Gurbachan lived by taking covering and fainting death.
Source 54 only mentions that an attack has happened, not the length, or how he survived. As for source 31, I tried to ctrl+F "Gurbachan" and the results were for 1985 and 1993.
The second use already has 3 other sources, and source 15 does not specify who tortured him, so it seems unneccessary. The first use also already has 3 other sources, and is about a railway robbery and does not even mention an arrest.
As for the robbery, I apologize, I had not made the connection between the two.
ARandomName123 (
talk) 22:54, 6 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
ARandomName123 For 31 don’t search for Gurbachan but search for the names of the officers killed in the shootout. For the shootout part the sources that come after are also being cited for it. So I will rearrange the sources to be properly in that part. I understand your point that the sources at some places are unnecessary. Thanks for the reply :)
CanadianSingh1469 (
talk) 22:57, 6 July 2023 (UTC)reply