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On 24 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio to Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 29 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Liaozhai zhiyi. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Section on Themes is critically very poor

The section on themes is very strangely written. For example, 'to complain the feudal system where everyone is not equal'. Leaving aside the strange English, there is the problem that 'feudal' is presumably not a term used by the writer himself. It is a term direct out of Marxist ideology used to dismiss pre-modern (read pre-socialist) social systems. The author may be protesting against social inequality and privilege, but to couch it in terms of 'complaining against the feudal system' is quite strange. Interpreting early-Qing stories in terms of modern political ideologies (and specifically modern PRC ideologies) seems dubious at best. 124.65.50.210 ( talk) 04:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Chinese Edition

It would be nice to get a link to a Chinese edition if one is available online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.87.9.232 ( talk) 05:15, 1 February 2015

Undo Move

Undid the move to "Strange stories from a Chinese Room" as not discussed, much less explained. A Google search for it here found not one hit. ch ( talk) 03:33, 8 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Cheers CWH. @ Unserefahne: thanks for trying to correct this article's title, but please make sure to read Wikipedia's article naming policy before moving more articles, especially the whole of WP:COMMONNAME. ‑‑ Yodin^T 07:57, 8 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Requested move 24 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved (technical move requested at WP:RMT ( non-admin closure) Lennart97 ( talk) 20:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio → Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio – The vast majority of recent popular translations (Minford and Sondergard stand out) have rendered it as "Strange Tales", with Giles being the primary champion of "Strange Stories". JSTOR results also seem to suggest that "Strange Tales" is the preferred translation for Liaozhai zhiyi. Google search results are deceptive because a lot of hits for "Strange Stories" either are in reference to the Giles work or link to pages that actually use "Tales". Lastly, doesn't Strange Tales sound more pleasant than Strange Stories? The Crypt Keeper would agree... Kingoflettuce ( talk) 15:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC) reply

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conflict

strange tales from a chinese studio 136.158.35.8 ( talk) 14:23, 8 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Requested move 29 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) 2pou ( talk) 05:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC) reply

Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio → Liaozhai zhiyi – "Liaozhai zhiyi" is used much more than "Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio" or "Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio". A Google search for "Liaozhai zhiyi" produces a lot more results than one for "Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio" or "Strange Stories from a Chinese Studio". The article itself also uses "Liaozhai zhiyi". Mucube ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. NasssaNser_talk 09:40, 6 January 2023 (UTC) reply

Oppose per WP:UE. 162 etc. ( talk) 17:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC) reply
- The policy that you reference says that we should "follow English-language usage", and it's pretty clear that "Liaozhai zhiyi" is preferred over "Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio" in English-language usage. Mucube ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC) reply
  Some evidence from reliable secondary sources would certainly help bolster that argument. 162 etc. ( talk) 23:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC) reply
If it is moved, it should be to the title caps form, i.e. Liaozhai Zhiyi, per WP:PINYIN. — AjaxSmack 04:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply
AjaxSmack Sigh... KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply
Absolutely noooooothing in WP:PINYIN mandates (or even suggests) that titles like Liaozhai zhiyi should be written in the title case. At least be honest enuf to say it's your interpretation of how the titles should be written, based on what some general pinyin "how-to" guide sez (and ignoring what the best & most recent scholarship of the specific title in question does...). It's a brand new year and we really should be ending this silly convention of capitalising every single word in Chinese titles "just because". It's such an eyesore. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply
p.s. It escaped me last year, but I'm only just noticing that the scantest mention of "capitalising" in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles#Citations in fact outrightly contradicts what you're saying. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply
Anyhow, I'm leaning towards an oppose for the move. Think this is close enuf to Journey to the West/Xiyouji. Doesn't make a big difference to me, there's enuf flexibility here either way. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply

I was going by "English Wikipedia uses Hanyu Pinyin without tone marks as the default Romanisation method for Chinese characters" plus the rules of pinyin ( Section 4.9.2 in this source), which happen to match the rules of English. But you know that. 😉 — AjaxSmack 19:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply
Yeah, hence the "sigh" -- back to square one! Once again, absolutely nooooooothing in that quote implies a need to follow the title case.... Look at this? [1] "The new guidelines are based on Han yu pin yin fang an, the Chinese text which constitutes the foundation of pinyin romanization." and whose relevant examples are in the sentence case. It's never-ending, this madness. Let's just use some common sense and stop insisting on "rules" that were never writ in stone to begin with. If you want to write in the title case, go ahead, there's too much of that here anyway, but there's little basis to impose this on everyone. Happy New Year! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 19:30, 7 January 2023 (UTC) reply

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Enjoyed

Really enjoyed reading this article, thanks to everyone who worked on it. toobigtokale ( talk) 22:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC) reply