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Pablo Hidalgo controversy

In December 2020, Lucasfilm Story Group executive Pablo Hidalgo was criticized for privately tweeting "emotions are not for sharing", allegedly mocking a Star Wars fan's emotional YouTube video reaction to the season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. [1] [2] [3] After the tweet became public, Hidalgo apologized and clarified that the tweet was meant to be sarcastic. [1]

References

  1. ^ a b Vary, Adam B. (29 December 2020). "How a Lucasfilm Exec's Tweet Reopened the Wounds of 'The Last Jedi'". Variety. Archived from the original on 2 May 2021. Retrieved 2 May 2021. {{ cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 30 December 2020 suggested ( help)
  2. ^ Schroeder, Audra (28 December 2020). "Lucasfilm exec locks down after tweet about 'Star Wars' fan's 'emotions'". The Daily Dot. Archived from the original on 2 May 2021. Retrieved 2 May 2021. {{ cite web}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 29 December 2020 suggested ( help)
  3. ^ Scribner, Herb (2 May 2021). "Why are people mad at Lucasfilm's Pablo Hidalgo?". Deseret News. Archived from the original on 2 May 2021. Retrieved 30 December 2020. {{ cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 28 December 2020 suggested ( help)

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Star_Wars_Theory&diff=next&oldid=1050595727&diffmode=source Nemov, you deleted it with the message "this is already mentioned on subject's page." This involves two people. Why would it only be mentioned on one guy's page, and not the other? Its two sentences long, very well referenced. Everyone please give your opinions on this. Is there any reason not to have this in the article? Dream Focus 00:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Since the topic is rather trivial and it's already covered at Pablo Hidalgo it seems WP:UNDUE to mention it here as well. Nemov ( talk) 00:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Was the emotional fan the person running the Star Wars Theory channel? That connection should be made in the text, because it doesn't make much sense in this article without that context. Schazjmd  (talk) 00:09, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Yes, it was this guy. That should be rewritten to clarify it. When I created the article I had that clearly written as: Lucasfilm Story Group executive Pablo Hidalgo received coverage for mocking him for crying during the finale of Mandalorian Season 2. [1] After facing criticism for this, he apologized. [2] Then Nemov rewrote it later on [1] to what it is now. Dream Focus 00:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply
I think it should be included then, just rewritten so it makes sense here. There are good sources, and if it was significant enough to include at Pablo Hidalgo, it's significant enough here. Schazjmd  (talk) 00:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply
I've edited it and added it back for now, but it's kind of silly that some Twitter misunderstanding seems to be the most significant coverage this person has received. - Nemov ( talk) 12:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Coverage is coverage, but I think including it is correct. If it is included on only one of the articles, it would seem like a WP bias. If notable person X and notable doctor Y get into a legal dispute over malpractice that gets into the news, both X and Y articles should have mention of the dispute, otherwise it would seem like hiding information. It's natural for the dispute to carry more weight for one individual over the other, though, making it a blip on one page, and an elaborated description on the other. - 2pou ( talk) 17:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ "Who is Pablo Hidalgo? Lucasfilm's 'Yoda' gets canceled for bullying 'Star Wars' superfan after he got emotional". meaww.com. Retrieved 2021-01-12.
  2. ^ "Lucasfilm Exec Apologizes for Mocking Mandalorian Fan's Tearful Finale Reaction". CBR. 2020-12-29. Retrieved 2021-01-12.

mentioning some of the famous people he interviewed

[2] Nemov edited out something else with the message "The channel isn't a notable organization so it fails WP:NOYT." Notability is determined in an AFD, which this is currently at, with three people there saying it is notable, and only Nemov claiming it is not. Obviously an article for a YouTube channel can link to things on that channel. Opinions please, should it be reinstated? Dream Focus 13:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Set aside the fact your source was Star Wars Theory's own YouTube videos, unless there's secondary notable coverage there's no reason for it to be included here. If other sources covered those interviews, by all means add them to the article. Nemov ( talk) 13:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply
WP:NOYT clearly states official channels of notable organizations, such as Monty Python's channel, may be acceptable as primary sources. Note that WP:PRIMARY states A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. There is no reason not to mention information about the subject of the article. His channel is about Star Wars, and he has interviewed people that have worked on Star Wars media. That should be mentioned. Other opinions please. Dream Focus 13:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply
It's a real simple question. Did these interviews generate coverage by multiple sources? If yes, include... if not then the information doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Nemov ( talk) 13:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Articles contain plenty of information that isn't covered by multiple sources. That is not a requirement to be in an article. Dream Focus 14:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Response to third opinion request:
Coming from 3O, this is a border issue. Notability wise, a YouTube clip doesn't pass. However it can be used to justify factual information that's obvious from watching the official channel, assuming that everyone can agree that it's there. I'm hesitant to go this way, as I hate YouTube as a source, but I'm leaning towards agreeing with Dream Focus. Stix1776 ( talk) 10:16, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Stix1776 ( talk) 10:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC) reply
I'm with Nemov on this one. I'm fine with mentioning any interviews that receive coverage in a secondary source. One source would be sufficient for me. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 15:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Dream Focus, is there some reason you've gone ahead and added this without a consensus? What's the rush? These interviews aren't "obvious" since he's got tons of videos. What sets these videos apart as notable? - Nemov ( talk) 04:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC) reply
No response for 6 days, then one person respond to my third opinion request and agrees with me. I get to work on it. I then later notice that while I was working with it, someone else posted here, so stopped for awhile. There is this thing called common sense. If the show is called Star Wars Theory, and he interviews people that worked in the Star Wars franchise, that is something that should be in the article. Dream Focus 12:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Please just make sure there's a consensus. There wasn't one. Thanks. Nemov ( talk) 12:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Two people agreed, and the only one at the time against it is the one who keeps trying to delete as much of the article as possible, tried to delete it at AFD and failed, and although having no interest in the article's subject keeps arguing on the talk page of it. Your edit history shows you aren't doing much else. [3] Dream Focus 12:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Please keep this on topic. There's no reason to make it personal. At Wikipedia we strive to find consensus. One person agreeing with you or me isn't a consensus. Thanks and happy editing. Nemov ( talk) 13:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Proposal for deletion; Feb. 22

Not deserving of its own article. This page should be moved to a shared page titled: List of Star Wars Content Creators. One does not exist yet but I suggest it be made to include Theory and a bunch of other popular creators. Adding on, the article plays a very low significance in the Star Wars WikiProject and is rated as a stub. I feel my proposed idea could one-up those ratings and play an actual role in this project. TheCoolestKidHere ( talk) 23:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Disagree, there's more than enough here to warrant an article IMO. You can always create the list and link to this article from within it? NemesisAT ( talk) 09:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC) reply

I agree this article doesn't need to exist. LordApofisu ( talk) 14:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC) reply

I proposed this article for deletion last year and the consensus was to keep. Nemov ( talk) 14:35, 25 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Are we still on this? The article exists. The subject was deemed notable and there are multiple sources to back it up. Happy Holidays. Kjscotte34 ( talk) 10:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Inaccurate information, January 21st

The section concerning the January 2024 Rolling Stone article, stating directly that Theory doesn't think women belong in star wars, etc. is defamatory. The article directly includes falsities and lies, which are addressed with evidence in a follow up video by Theory. His guest, a psychologist and a woman, said that (in her opinion) women don't watch Star Wars - which he did not agree with, and has never stated any of the things the article damns him for - which can be confirmed by watching his videos and hearing his reply. He offered for anyone to cite a source on any of the direct statements RS affirmed as real. Theory has a long history of speaking to the importance of both men and women in the fandom and on the creative level. The article seems designed to commit character assassination, but has no sources to back up any of the accused opinions or statements. Until the RS article and related link (10 and 11) can be confirmed, it should be removed from the entry as unfounded. We should not use Wikipedia to further Internet smear campaigns against content creators without proven sources. NyxHollow ( talk) 22:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The sources here are reliable. If you have some reliable sources that counter what's included feel free to share. Your opinions about this person said on their channel is irrelevant and would be characterized as original research. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 01:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC) reply
I know you understand that there’s no such thing as “sources that counter” a claim that is unsubstantiated. In order to counter a claim, the claim has to exist. Either SWT said the things the page claims, or he didn’t. There is no counter to something that is not substantiated and there is no EVIDENCE to support what the page says. You are using manipulative language so you can gatekeep this page against baseless accusations. Unless of course, you personally have evidence of what the page claims, in which case SWT will give you 10k. Have you taken him up on the offer? :) 2600:100D:B081:CA25:58F2:4412:58B4:5284 ( talk) 13:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
If you have a question about Wikipedia policy regarding reliable sources I'll be glad to help. The article reflects what the Rolling Stone article says and it's a reliable source. Nemov ( talk) 13:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
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