![]() | This ![]() It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2018 and 10 December 2018. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Tbrown49.uwyo.edu.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 10:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Arpingstone, you actually like the all-images-on-right look? I think the old layout looked much better. – Quadell ( talk) ( help)[[]] 22:19, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
There is no mention of the common habit of farting detail (e.g. faces) onto stained glass. Is that because it is a different craft, or just an omission? Notinasnaid 11:22, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the largest collection of stained glass is? Number of windows in a building, for example. CoolGuy 08:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Painted glass is mentioned here in the "See also" section, but it's redirected to the article itself. There are two more articles linking to painted glass: Oliver Cromwell and Lillafüred. Is there really such a thing as a painted glass different from stained glass? If so, it should be clarified at least in a stub how they relate to each other (instead of the redirect). If not, and it's a misnomer, links to painted glass should be replaced by stained glass, I suppose. -- Adam78 00:03, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Stained verses painted
Actually, the term "Stained" refers to a process developed by the Germans in the 14th century. Silver nitrate was mixed with a binder and painted on the reverse side of the "trace line" and "matted" side of the glass, then fired at a lower temperature, 1180 degrees F., the medium (binder) is then washed off to reveal the yellow or golden color "stain". The trace line and mattes (mattes are applied as a thin even coat and then selective areas are removed with brushes to create highlights, fired at 1275F, roughly)) The glass is, truly, "stained" by the silver nitrate and allowed the Medieval artists to achieve 2 colors therefore greater versatility with a single piece of clear glass to describe architectural, clothing pattern, or other details. As well, minor correction: Glass is sold by the square foot by some manufacturers, and by the pound by others.
Jane Jacobson, Glass Roots Studio, Oct 23, 2005
On April 15, 2006, user 63.232.117.214 added under "See also":
* Sculpture ** Jim Gary
However, the article on Jim Gary mentions nothing about glass. Does he indeed work with stained glass?
RickP 06:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
An article about windows should include examples. All the examples are modern. We need examples of mediaeval and Victorian stained glass. I tried to put something in about a period, ie the 19th. century when there was a huge amount of glass put in both in the UK and USA, but of which there is not much record. Many of the firms have perished leaving no records. I put in a good deal of what I know but did not include too much for fear of unbalancing the article. If anyone knows how to include availabel pix of windows, please do. I have some good windows in our church and will include them if no one else does. OK? Roger Arguile June 6th 2006 3.40 pm (UTC)
In the section discussing the reformation the article states that "Few [windows] remain undamaged." This needs some context. Does this mean only in Britain? In all Protestant areas? Throughout Europe? - SimonP 01:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
In making a small addition and putting in a link to a commercial site, you also lost a large part of the article, in fact everything below your own addition. You need to check carefully by using the 'show preview' option before saving.
I have removed your link to the nice little window in a dear little weatherboard church that took us straight to the commercial site.
Firstly, the heading that you put it under pertained to the greatest examples of stained glass in the world, eg Chartres Cathedral. Your example is hardly one that a person would travel ten thousand miles to see.
Secondly, Wikipedia isn't the place for advertising.
-- Amandajm 21:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the link to the small forum "stainedglassville.com" added by Desg. This is another of his commercial sites.
-- RogerJ 21:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Desg returned to re-insert the link to the "nice little window in a dear little weatherboard church" with the link to the commercial site, as well as the link to his newly formed commercial forum.
Similar additions of his commercial links on the "Lead came and copper foil glasswork" Wiki page have been removed.
A very good link to the Preservation of Stained Glass was removed by Desg, which he replaced with a link to his forum. The original link was restored. Similar behavior (replacing a pre-existing link with his own) was also observed and fixed on the "Lead came and copper foil glasswork" page.
-- RogerJ 16:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC) I have corrected the links and will point out that the preservation link went to nothing to do with glass. The memorial dove window you speak of is visited by many to a very historical location with a single chapel. Mention of this work in "Stained Glass" is quite appropriate in relation to memorial windows. I am new to Wiki and am clear as to the rules. I have removed the commercial link for web-o-rama as it is relative to your guidelines. Thank you, DESG
I am willing to check it again. I have before and it goes to the National Park service. If the artical you speek of is there I will link to it correctly. DESG
I have checked the link again and it points to
[1] under rule
#5 the link doesn't support all operating systems. Check with the administrators or host of the web page to see why there is a redirection. I have looked deeper into the site and found the stained glass article but only after jumping through a few hoops.
However, it is also the only "source" remaining for the article. Your quote seems a bit short of fact. Have you even read my tutorial pages? stained glass art tips If so you will see alot of additional professional advice on the subject. Please consider inclusion or not deleting the valuable resource when it is reinstated, Thank you Desg 03:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
T'm not in favour of deleting this link, so I've reinstated it. I think we ought to be patient and see what Vidimus come up with, as it's the first monthly publication, and the article on the featured panel is very detailed and the photo very clear, illustrating some of the subject matter of our present article, likethe use of yellow stain etc. It seems a pity to be so hardline with an accademic, non-commercial publication!
-- Amandajm 12:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. While the link is not objectionable, it is not worthy of being a reference in the WIkipedia article. Let's check again in 6 months to a year, before reinstating. RogerJ 19:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Just to explain my self-
I've just removed several lines that were recently inserted in the intro. The bit about metal salts repeated what had already been written, about two lines above it. The description of the fact that the gLass gets cut into pieces is all there under the heading Technical. The person (no user name) obviously hadn't read the whole long detailed description before editting the brief summary. In other words, it was superfluous.
-- Amandajm 09:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC) 09:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
All those new pictures are beautiful and will be useful somewhere.... But
-- Amandajm 13:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
There was a comment posted that said that this site doesn't tell you how to read stained glass.
The reason for that is that there is a maximum desirable size for a Wikipedia article. This article already exceeds that size.
"Reading" artworks such as stained glass is a whole subject in itself. You can find some of the answers under Poor Man's Bible. You can also look up Iconography. There is another interesting and useful page called Tree of Jesse.
-- Amandajm 10:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Not a mistake. Green glass has been around for a very long time.....bottles, OK? But to create an appearance of green grass, blue glass was often stained with yellow, because the effect was more natural.
--Amandajm 08:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
One of my friends has asked me to add a link of her website the Staint Glass Wiki site under 'external links' but I saw it should be verified first. Her website shows some fine examples of stained glass windows in churches particularly in Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire by Charles E Kempe, Clayton and Bell, William Morris, Edward Burne-Jones and Henry Holiday the latter three being Pre-Raphaelite stained glass window designers. They can be viewed at Magnificent Windows which is a photographic website showing the beauty and art form of stained glass. Please can you let me know if I can add the link to the Stained Glass Wiki site. Thanks! -- Posiebers 23:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, in order to give accurate information, in association with an encyclopedic article, could you ask your friend to correct the introduuction that says that stained glass is probably one of the oldest crafts. Ask you friend to think about the stone tools made by prehistoric people, followed by making string, potting clay, weaving baskets, carving wood, making bone needles and fishhooks, spinning wool etc etc. These are all crafts (and we haven't even got to metalwork yet)! The oldest stained glass window in existence is only 1100 years old. That makes stained glass quite a new craft, in the history of humanity.
-- Amandajm 00:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to add an external link to the Victoria and Albert Museum's Sacred Stained Glass pages from this article. These pages feature different pieces of stained glass in the V&A's collection and the stories accompanying them, as well as giving information about the saints featured in stained glass. They also feature a short video on making stained glass. I hope this link will be considered, I think it contains lots of interesting information for those interested in stained glass. Many thanks VAwebteam 10:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Stained glass is an art craft. This page seems to be centered around architectural, religious stained glass panels, which is one, narrow field of this craft. I submit that this page should be a more generic page about the craft/art of stained glass and the specific panel/church/architectural aspect of stained glass be outlined on a separate page. Note that some people are trying to equate "stained glass" exclusively with architectural flat panels and this is inappropriate. -- Mabu2 05:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC) moved to bottom of page by Amandajm 11:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The writer of this added a short section, between the intro and the description of the making of stained glass windows, which I removed because it pertained directly to Lead came and copper foil glasswork which has its own page.
About the use of the term "stained glass" "Stained glass", the craft of creating it and the artworks thus produced have for the last thousand years been associated with church windows and the windows of other buildings such as town halls and universities. Throughout the nineteenth and most of the twentieth century, no producer of ordinary domestic leadlight windows would have advertised as a "stained glass" artist. Leadlighters were leadlighters. The notion that the creation of architectural flat panels "is one, narrow field of this craft" is ludicrous. The major works in this craft, be they in church buildings, railway stations or office blocks, are architectural panels, though nowadays, with slab glass and the like, not nnecessarily flat.
There is currently a trend to refer to anything created with lead or copper foil and coloured glass as "stained glass art" and equate it with the making of large stained glass windows. This would have brought howls of laughter from the team who designed and created the east window of Gloucester Cathedral.
This page is already very long, and a merger with all the very many articles that describe aspects of the craft is not really appropriate. What is here is pertains to that which has always been called stained glass, ie windows in churches and other significant buildings, a very demanding and often very large-scale craft that has been practised in Europe since the 10th century. Many of the stained glass windows referred to here and pictured here are supreme artistic creations.
There are articles on Leadlight, Cathedral glass (which is not glass in cathedrals), Faberge and the various glasses that he created, Art glass, Architectural glass and so on. It is really not a good idea to combine them. Besides, an article that deals with lead came and copper foil work is needed as a stand-alone article, because this is a significant modern craft that many people enjoy and are interested in.
I have suggested moving this page back to "Stained glass windows" which is where it was, I believe, once upon a time, but this met with poor response from the above apparently new editor.
The article was already about windows before I did a great deal of work on it. I am being accused of hijacking an article to a purpose, where in fact it seems that it is quite the other way around.
Amandajm 11:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Rejigged the intro and incorporated some of the new material, plus mention of recent extension of the term to include things other than windows. Amandajm 12:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Moved this down It is clear that user Amandajm is acting like he "owns" this article and has a personal interest in maintaining control over it. This seems to be antithetical to the purpose of Wikipedia, and I contend that the term "Stained Glass" is generic and does not specifically apply to windows. Maybe a hundred years ago the term, "stained glass" may have had a more narrow interpretation, but not today. This article is narrow and should be under a different subheading such as Architectural stained glass or Stained glass windows. Furthermore, has anyone read this page in full? There are sections having nothing to do with stained glass; there are pictures of entirely different crafts such as vases and mosaics. And much of the article is a breakdown of history. This is not the kind of article that should be an entry point on a very wide and diverse field such as "Stained Glass." -- Mabu2 05:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
"Twentieth century .... Today there are a few academic establishments that teach the traditional skills. One of those establishments is Florida State University's Master Craftsman Program who recently completed the world's largest secular stained-glass windows installed in Bobby Bowden Field at Doak Campbell Stadium. More info at Master Craftsman Program"
1. The large window referred to doesn't appear to be a design worthy of mention in a short article (I can't find much of anything on the Web about it - the one image I found looked like a pretty amateurish design). Big isn't = to good. And I am quite skeptical that it is in fact the largest in the world - where is the source for that. How big is it in sq meters? There are some monster windows in Europe.
2. The statement that there are "few academic establishements" is misleading and provincial. If the statement is only referring to the US, maybe it is partly correct (but what about the Boston Museum School, and I am sure there are a number of others). But the US has never been the center of stained glass craft (or art). Europe has many schools that are far more significant and well-known than FSU, for example Swansea (one of four or five in England), and an even larger number exist in Germany and France.
Jon Romig —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.81.50 ( talk) 18:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Please cite the source for it being the earliest.
Amandajm ( talk) 04:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
a stain glass window is made a long time ogo they where windows then they made them big into stian glass for churches —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.140.144 ( talk) 01:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
"The term stained glass can refer to the material of coloured glass or the craft of working with it. Throughout its thousand-year history, the term "stained glass" was applied almost exclusively to the windows of churches, cathedrals, and other significant buildings. Although traditionally made in flat panels and used as windows, the creations of modern stained glass artists also include three-dimensional structures and sculpture.
Modern vernacular usage has often extended the term "stained glass" to include domestic leadlight and objets d'art created from lead came and copper foil glasswork such as exemplified in the famous lamps of Louis Comfort Tiffany."
The former is preferable to the latter since the words "stained glass" are not a quotation.
Amandajm ( talk) 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
But less so on that of the rest of the world 41.241.117.70 ( talk) 19:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
![]() |
An image used in this article,
File:Fenster im Staatsrat 3.jpg, has been nominated for speedy deletion at
Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Other speedy deletions
Don't panic; deletions can take a little longer at Commons than they do on Wikipedia. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion (although please review Commons guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.
This notification is provided by a Bot -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 22:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC) |
The Stained Glass Association of America's stated purpose is to defend and protect the American form of stained glass art, as opposed to European. The former is said to be a different art form than the latter, using the materials themselves to elicit the art and allowing the patron to have his own thoughts about what he is observing while European stained glass uses the materials to paint a picture. When a studio attempts to join the society they are not allowed in if they are guilty of perpetrating the European style; a favored expression is "If you want a picture get a camera" and members are encouraged to tell church congregations asking for realistic painting on glass that this was a form used to tell the Christian story to illiterate congregants of old Europe and that the modern congregants of the church asking for such glass are more sophisticated than those Medieval European counterparts and can grasp abstract art and resent being treated as though dumb. In the eyes of this association stained glass studios and artists that deliver the European style of stained glass art to American architectural installations are persona non gratis in America and especially in the SGAA. Realistic pictorial windows make the association shudder as they are opposite the art form the group was established to protect , defend, and perpetrate as their ideal stained glass art. You say none of this here and it is their most important feature, not that they teach the art and restoration and preservation of it . They feature only the American style. It is believed by some artists who have a kiln and fire a piece of painted glass such as a face up to 35 times that this society is made up of studios and individual artists who don't know how or can't paint on glass as well as the Europeans of a century and more ago.While they say "No one does it any more",some others not belonging to the society say no one can do it any more, except some German and English artists who are highly trained through years of experience. Churches insuring such art in their windows are sometimes told by the insurance companies that if realistic painted windows are damaged an artist will have to be engaged from Europe and that it will be very expensive. This can be gleaned from looking through the organization's magazines from the 19-teens on, and their mission is clearly stated in the application for membership included in each magazine. The Conrad Schmidt studio has some very nice windows but none are done in the Munich or realistic style, the Medieval style, the Byzantine style and other European and pre-American styles of stained glass art.```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.204.135 ( talk) 12:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Would love to see a knowledgeable addition referring to the Belcher Mosaic Glass Company's work in the late nineteenth century. Belcher was an American company with a fairly unique style, short-lived because of worker safety concerns (and some other factors), but beautiful and for a time an example of an American esthetic. This company has been gone for well over a century, so there should be no advertising concerns. If this were deemed something that should have its own article, that would be fine, though I would think that it would be better as a brief segment in the larger stained glass article. I don't think I'm quite knowledgeable enough to write it... Xenophonix ( talk) 02:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I came to this page hoping to read more about Iranian Orsi (aka Orosi) windows/stained glass... I was disappointed to notice this article is missing important details about Middle Eastern, Islamic and Asian stained glass history. It would be greatly appreciated if this article was less Western-centric. Jooojay ( talk) 21:17, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Stained glass. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 04:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Came to this page and noticed absence of any photos showing result of sunlight shining through stained glass window show added this photo. Please feel free to replace with more suitable photo Johnscotaus ( talk) 07:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I have been off duty for a while. Came back and discovered that the gallery of Medieval glass had bee greatly reduced, with only one comment "to add emphasis". The glass of the Middle ages is the most renowned in the world. The examples had been chosen for their relevance, and to display a short history of an essentially visual media, not just an addition to the text.
Also, the examples of Spanish glass were all deplorable. The article needs picture of Spanish glass that match the quality of the images that are in the gallery above. A pic showing all the colours bleached out of clerestory windows does not illustrate anything about Spanish medieval glass. Amandajm ( talk) 18:09, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 13:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 19:07, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 00:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
This phrase was used in describing the location of a window. The term "collegiate" is unclear to me. I thought to wikilink it to another article, but was unable to confidently identify the appropriate article that used the word "collegiate". I hope a knowledgeable person will wikilink it to appropriate article. Pete unseth ( talk) 13:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2023 and 1 May 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Ryanseatonevans (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Yatzariven,
Dgiff01.
— Assignment last updated by Katherine.Holt ( talk) 19:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)