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I can't remember or corroborate this, so I removed it from the article.
shaitan (singular)/shayateen (plural; i dont know dual) is also a category of jinni ( see here); should that be included? Nateji77 08:08, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
"...nor does the Quran mention anything that there was another tree."
This makes no sense. I would fix it, but I have no idea what the original editor was trying to say.
More importantly than that, the italicized portions of "Shaitan and Adam and Eve" have a very anti-Judeo/Christian bias. I'm taking them out altogether.
I'm also removing "Also, it must be stressed that unlike the Bible, the Qur'an does not blame or state that Eve goaded her husband into eating the forbidden fruit, nor does it relieve Adam of any blame for disobeying either." This article is not a comparison of the Hebrew Bible and the Quran, and this information is moreover irrelevant to an article about shaitan.
Much language used in this article, particularly the last section, conveys a large deal of the opinion of the writer outside of an academic discussion. Someone please clean this up. Ex.: "harsh wild earth"
Speaking of: "One should not underestimate the so called, “power of suggestion”, such as the Nazi war propaganda machine." Should probably be reworded or removed. "This should not be taken to indicate that Iblis is weak in his abilities to tempt humans." conveys the same thing without the irrelevant Nazi reference, but I'm not sure if should be there at all. -- Hexalm 17:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Who removed those links and why?
I found this in a comment; I'm deleting that from the article and putting it here where it is less likely to cause confusion and more likely to get a response
Diablos was Greek in origin. You are correct, this statement is wrong
IthinkIwannaLeia (
talk) 18:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
AlShaitan lured Adam and Hawwa' into eating from the tree. For that Allah damned AlShaitan, but delayed punishment until Doomsday. In Islamic view Shaitan was not cursed by God because of luring Adam and Eve but because of refusing to bow down to Adam , see Iblis There are other middle eastern mythologies concerning Shaitan differing from common Islamic view , a famous example is Yezidi sect's beliefs , Yezidi's are believed to predate Islam and are believed to consider Shaitan a name of their deity.I shall verify what I have in memory and add some information about their view of Shaitan .Please help if you have information about Yezidis. Pasha Abd 21:11, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
As I understand things Shaitan is the Islamic equivalent of Satan or the Devil or what have you. Should the {{islam}} template be added? I mean, is this "part of a series of articles about Islam"? - Kode 22:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Shayṭān (شيطان) is the equivalent in Islam of Satan in Christianity. The Islamic view of Satan, has both commonalities and differences with Christian and Jewish views.
that needs to be reworded. the article on satan doesn't cite him as the judeo-christian equiv of shaitan.-- Missilepenguin! 00:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Contemporary Fiction --
In The Black Stallion Returns by Walter Farley, we learn that the original name of the horse was Shaitan. (This name seems to have been changed to Shetan in The Young Black Stallion and in later editions of the books. But it's just a different spelling of Shaitan, AFAIK.)
"There was no translation for jinn in English language until recently, so it can be now be easily translated as E.T. (the Extra-Terrestrial)." What is this? This is completely unscholarly and subjective. Could this please be removed? There is already a fairly good article on the Jinn/Genies on Wikipedia and information can be borrowed from there.
The line "Why? It could be that humans are higher creation than angels, or Allah desired to expose Iblis, or both of these two reasons. There are some other reasons which are unknown because Allah has the Divine Plan and we humans are not preview to all of Allah's Divine Plan." is a very long way from NPOV, indeed it seems to assume that the existance of God is verifiable fact. This goes for a good deal of this article. It should be re-written in a more scholarly tone. (Yes, I am a grumpy atheist, bah humbug!) Sceptic-all 16:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm also a grumpy atheist, but this is a page on a religious topic. It seems utterly impossible to discuss any subject regarding Islam, Christianity, or Judaism without assuming the existance of God. The point I would agree with you is that there seems to be a large deal of interpretation going on here, and this isn't the place for a sermon. Vvibbert ( talk) 02:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I think there is some Christian-based bias in the entire introductory paragraph. We don't define Satan in terms of Islam's Shaitan, so why should the opposite be true? I think there should be a way of defining Shaitan for the first paragraph in a way that doesn't do so simply in term's of Christianity's version of the same idea. samrolken 06:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Quote from article:
In Islam, Allah created everything in pairs. The pair for a human is a jinn, two beings of higher intelligence created with free will. In between the pair of jinn and human there could be lots of other creation with higher intelligence like jinn and human. Qu'ran tells that the jinn race was created long, long before the human race. And, for long time humans were nothing, not even mentioned.
This is confusing. Does the first reference to "pair" refer to the human - jinn combination, or does it mean that jinns are themselves a pair? And does "pair" here have anything to do with the customary use in these contexts of referring to male and female. Also, does "humans were nothing" mean they were of little consequence, or that they literally did not yet exist? And "long, long time..." is not accepted Wikipedia usage, no matter how evocative it might be in these religious contexts. I would edit this, but not being sure of the intended meaning, I will wait for some clarification. Myles325a 04:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
This article definitely needs some help from someone more knowledgeable. Iblis=Satan=The Devil, while Shaitan (as I understand it) can equal both The Devil (Iblis)/a devil (i.e. an evil jinn) or Satan/a satan. I've also heard the word used by Hindus in Indian movies, and I'd like to know more about that. I'm pretty sure it was also used by the pagans in the movie Dragnet (1987 film), of all things! Thus my suspicion is that the word is not limited to Islam. Шизомби ( talk) 18:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
What, precisely, is the difference between Iblis and Shaitan? In the Iblis article (as well as in the Shaitan article) it is clearly stated that Iblis (in the former article) and Shaitan (in the latter) are both the Islamic equivalent of the entity known as 'the serpent' — or, Satan. Now, is Iblis synonymous with Shaitan? And if so, why do two separate articles exist? Someone please clarify this matter for me. Grammaticus VII ( talk) 15:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Iblis was an exalted one from among the jinnat (plural of jinn). He disobeyed Allah (SWT) and was banished to Earth and allowed to lead humans astray; but he and his followers will beg for mercy on the Day of Judgment but Allah SWT will deliver Iblis and his followers (both the jinnat and humans) to where he promised Iblis before he was expelled: hellfire. Now, Iblis and all the jinnat who follow him (note: there are jinnat that do not follow Iblis) are referred to as shayateen (singular form is shaytan). Humans are sometimes also referred to as "shaytan" but that is as an adjective, similar to calling someone devilish or satanic.
Iblis is the personal name for one particular shaitan. In the language (also mentioned in the article) 'shaitan' is an adjective given to creatures (ins and jin) who are astray. Much like ˤIfrit عفريت is an adjective to those who are resourceful and/or cunning.
When Quran tells the story of the original Shaitan it refers to him as Iblis. this story of course is reminiscent of the Jewish tradition.
In the folk mind the difference is not immediately noticeable, however.
The article does need to be written in a not-in-world tone :)
-- Alif ( talk) 16:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello, The shayatin are often associated with the fires of the sun. For example in Suyutis " Al-Hay’a as-samya fi l-hay’a as-sunmya", shayatin seem to be created from the fire of the sun (samum?). Between the horns of a shaitan rises the sun, and sun-worship was often associated with the shayatin (not only with jinn as with statue-worship). Tobias Nünlist (2015) recorded what shayatin plague humans especially during mid-day when the sun is at the highest point. Does everyone got more material concerning the relation between shayatin and the sun? Also interesting, the shayatin are associated with the sun, and the angelic tribe of Iblis associated with the fire of the sun, but no source explicitly relates them both. Maybe someone found something about what here? I guess these things could improve the article.-- VenusFeuerFalle ( talk) 13:41, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Requesting you to have a look at
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Thanks and regards
Bookku ( talk) 06:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Superstitions in Muslim societies is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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Hello, posting this because a lot of this article feels like the information is suspect. At least one of the references says nothing related to its cited sources (Cites 17 and 18), and I'm getting the sense that much of the rest of the article is original research or describing information about jinns. Please consider this when updating or reading the article. Thank you! 99.199.24.188 ( talk) 19:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
the mulassirs point to two major differences between the 'regular' jinn and the devils: l) while among the former there a¡e Muslims, christians, Jews, polytheists' 132 Ecounes R¡ctus and heretics, the devils are exclusively atheists; 2) thejinn, though generally living longer than humans, eventually die, while devils do not die unless Iblis dies (this will happen only with the fi¡st blow of the trumpet at the end of the world). can one, then, assume that the two are in fact one? Or that they are merely two extremes of the same class of creatures?" The source itself is not vague, Islam is. Since Islam never established a clear demonology, there are blurring lines between several demons (Ifrit and Marid, Div and Ifrit, Jinn and devils). I am well aware that contemporary mainstream Islam regards "Shayatin" as simply unbelieving jinn, but this does not represent the Classical version of jinn and shayatin well, which are in some works clearly distinct entities (often the devils are oppositions to angels, while the jinn are the opposition to humans). For example in Suyutis "Al-Hay’a as-samya fi l-hay’a as-sunmya" (When I remember the source well), Shayatin do not appear in any relation to the jinn. In many works Jinn are just something mysterious and occult, one might encpunter in dark places, while the Shayatin are clearly opposing God. In matters of occultism, they are often conflated. Generally, when it comes to the issue of invisibility, shayatin and jinn are mconflated, but only in this regard. This is also confirmed by Amira El Zein. Most of the article was once written by me, after I split up the "Devil (Islam)" article, which was not possible to distinguish between devils, jinn and Iblis properly, because it was based on the false but famous assumption, the Shayatin are "simply unbelieving jinn". So please explain there was Original Research done?-- VenusFeuerFalle ( talk) 22:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
@
Sultan.abdullah.hindi:
Greetings, I see you are really bothered by the images. Your arguement was, the Siyah Kalam are not representing Muslim art, because it is of Buddhistic or Shamanistic origin. Siyah Kalam might have been of Turkic, Persian or Mongol origin and used Indian Art-Style, when converting to Islam. Siyah Kalam also might have been a Muslim their whole life and just used the Eastern Art-Style in his paintings. Non-Arab Art-Style is common among Muslim Art, when depicting supernatural creatures, probably because in Arab regions, prohibition against iconographical depictions usually have been taken more serious there. But this does not change the fact, this is Art done by Muslims, to represent parts of their beliefs. It seems however, you disagree with this point. Taken from the edits on the
Dajjal-article, I remember you stating, that Islam should be based on the first three generations of Muslims. However, this is a very narrow definition not reflecting the actual Muslim Legacy. Articles are about much more than just reflecting the alleged beliefs of the Sahaba and Taibun. And that exactly they believed can not be precisly reconstructed anyways. Your approach would exclude much of Muslim heritage, for example, Siyah Kalam Arts in this specific case. If you however, disagree with this, it would be recommanded to discuss this issue on the talkpage first, or even the WikiProjectIslam in general, as this is a disagreement with the very structure of the Project. With best regards --
VenusFeuerFalle (
talk) 22:36, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
@
VenusFeuerFalle:
This is very disturbing. Instead of focusing on the issue at hand, which is the misrepresentation of the beliefs of over 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet on one of the most widely used online encyclopedia, I am afraid that you have instead chosen to focus on attacking me/my beliefs personally. Where did I say that "Islam should be based on the first three generations of Muslims" and even if I did do that, it wouldn't even be an academically incorrect opinion. Do you want to know why? Go to any authoritative book of Islamic jurisprudence to find out. The evidence on which Islam is based, which is preserved unlike your claims of 'alleged beliefs', is the Qur'an, the Sunnah (not simple the Ahadis), the Ijma'a (consensus) of the Sahaba (not the first three generations) and Qiyas (analogical reasoning). All real Islamic scholars trace a lineage for their knowledge through the first three generations. There are other sources than those mentioned before upon which the scholars have differed. Siyah Qalam isn't one of those and is clearly influenced by Buddhism and Shamanism, not simply local culture, and is clearly not something representative of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today of whom many if not most believe in not seeing Shaytan or Iblis in his real form. Islam is not a culture and Islam is definitely not based upon arbitrary and subjective choices and opinions. Something which is not authorized by the scholars should not be used to represent something Islamic. So, even if Siyah Qalam was a Muslim, his actions do not define or represent Islam on its own. The same applies to ISIS or Al-Qaeda. You can't take something that is not part of Islam and make it a part of Islam or at the least, portray it as representing Islam simply because some Muslim or some extremist group chose to do something. And it's not regional either. This is the one part where Orientalists and Islamophobes unarguably failed. They took folk superstitions/misunderstandings and imposed that on all Muslims portraying it to be a sort of valid Islamic belief. Yes, it can be considered a work by a Muslim and can be included in the form of a section of the article. Kindly reconsider this. -
Sultan.abdullah.hindi (
talk) 05:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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VenusFeuerFalle: Look, mate, I don't know what your problem is. I would like to see where I said it since I cannot find any such statement. Art, painting and so-called images of a creature that cannot be seen in its real form by the human eye is definitely dubious, to say the least. You really come off as a pretentious person as you neither have a proper understanding of my position nor do you understand the academic tradition in Islam.
""Islam" is the religion Muslims believe in" - Nope. Those who believe in Islam are Muslims and not those who do not believe in it and claim to be Muslims. The converse is not true. You should learn the definition of Islam from an actual and authentic theological source (or sources) rather than making fallacious statement. I would also recommend that you pick up an actual book of theology.
"This basically just confirms what I objected earlier." - Oh really, Sherlock? Does it? Do you even understand what you are saying? I am convinced that you do not. At this point, it is almost like taking to a wall.
"None of us can decide that Muslims are supposed to believe and neither you nor me can define Islam in accordance with our own interests." - ALLAH subHanah can and he has. You cannot. Your "own" beliefs and perception of Islam are irrelevant. The supplication we make in Suratul-Fatiha is to be guided on the straight path of those who were rewarded and not of those who were misguided or cursed. If your "own" beliefs do not conform to that of those who were granted certainty of a reward (Rasulullah (ﷺ) and the Sahaba (radiyallahu 'anhum)), then your beliefs are irrelevant and do not represent Islam.
Frankly, I am through discussing with you. You can keep your whitewashed, chainless, baseless, foreign and ignorant interpretation of Islam to yourself and you can follow your own whims and desires and encourage others to do so as well if you want. It will never be Islam. -
Sultan.abdullah.hindi (
talk) 15:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I think you should take a course on logic and on english for speakers of second language as well. "You should learn the definition of Islam from an actual and authentic theological source (or sources) rather than making fallacious statement. I would also recommend that you pick up an actual book of theology." Kindly stop pretending to understand what you don't. Your responses reveal your lack of understanding in that you repeatedly put claims on me which I did not make. The burden of proof isn't on me, dude, but I'll recommend a book for you anyways. Go through al-Aqeedah at-Tahawiyyah, al-Fiqh al-Akbar for starters. - Sultan.abdullah.hindi ( talk) 18:04, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus, defaulting to no move. No such user ( talk) 08:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Shaitan → Shayatin – Match first mention of topic in lead sentence; also Shaitan is a Yezidi deity, this space is needed for an article on that deity. Skyerise ( talk) 14:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Just to clarify this matter for every editor: @ Eternal83: claimed the sources it the lead wouldn't back up the claims. Amira EL Zein (cited) states: "The prophetic tradition expands on this issue, clearly differentiating between the three kinds of intelligent beings according to their dwelling in hell or in paradise: "One kind of beings will dwell in Paradise, and they are the angels; one kind will dwell in Hell, and they are the demons; and another kind will dwell some in paradise and some in hell, and those are the jinn and the humans."-- VenusFeuerFalle ( talk) 01:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
@ VenusFeuerFalle: I think it's clear why this article is screaming for help. It's citing fringe interpretations of Islamic knowledge and presenting them as mainstream. This is extremely deceptive and really spits in the face of the spirit of Wikipedia. If you want to mention fringe opinions, feel free to do so, but clearly label them as such while making it abundantly clear what the majority opinion is. And the opinion held by the majority of Muslims on the nature of (a) shaitan or shaytan is not a "3rd invisible species". You would do well to cite actual Islamic literature written by reputable Islamic scholars when talking about such fundamental Islamic topics. -- Eternal83 ( talk) 04:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
A continuation of the discussion from my user Talk page:
Thank you for the detailed reply. I don't think anything you said differs from what I suggested as the right path forward for the article. You acknowledge yourself that the common, or as you said "simplified", view is a valid one, even though the view you presented on the article is one that aligns with your personal opinion. As such, I don't see how my suggested compromise is contrary to what you're saying or problematic in any way. Since we are talking about Shayatin, I don't want to get sidetracked into the nature of Iblis or the free will of angels for the purpose of this discussion, although I appreciate your diligence in presenting the differing views on that. I would, however, still need to see the exact Islamic sources that mention explicitly and unambiguously the existence of Shayatin as a separate species. I don't know Turkish so I can't read the one you provided. With regards to the sources I listed above, I agree that some are more credible than others, however, my main point is not argue which view is correct, but to demonstrate that the view of the majority (whether it is the most correct or not) is different than what is written on this page. The "simplified" view is what most Muslim children learn in school, grow up with, and die believing, so this is why in my opinion, it must be mentioned. Here is what I'm suggesting as the opening text:
Shayāṭīn (شياطين; devils or demons), singular: Shaiṭān (شَيْطٰان) are evil beings in Islamic belief, inciting humans (and jinn) to sin by “whispering” (وَسْوَسَة, “waswasah”) to the heart (قَلْب qalb). The common belief among Muslims is that devils are from among jinn and humans, however other views suggest that they are a third type of invisible being, besides the noble angels and jinn, that are grotesque and created from hell-fire.
The rest of the article can be tweaked to align with this style, where the view of the majority is stated, and the other "sophisticated" views care cited as separate. Like this we would be presenting a healthy diversity in viewpoints, while not omitting the view commonly held view. Let me know what you think of that and we can make these changes for the time being, pending further discussion and examination of sources. Eternal83 ( talk) 03:13, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
The Quran section has a single source: YOUNG, M. J. L. (1966). "THE TREATMENT OF THE PRINCIPLE OF EVIL IN THE QUR'ĀN". Islamic Studies. 5. Retrieved November 7, 2021. This source, if you ignore the citations, is only 5 pages long. And some of the wording in the article is just as long as the sparse mentions in the article. Example, the current state on Wikipedia: "According to Quran 28:36-38, God made the devils slaves for Solomon," The corresponding section of the journal article: "God was able to enslave them to force them to work for the believing Solomon (XXXVIII : 36-8)" Also note the chapter of the Qur'an cited is 38, but here on Wikipedia it's listed as 28. The journal article is from 1966, by someone seemingly Western. It was published in Islamabad, but the sources cited within skew towards people with other European names. Islamic commentators are rarely mentioned (and even when they are, it's through reference to another Western source, with only one exception), and instead the Qur'an is cited directly most of the time, seemingly making it mostly the interpretation of a (very probable) non-Muslim orientalist. For instance, one thing that I've found to be a common source of confusion/controversy among Western commentators, but extremely rare among Muslim commentators, is whether Iblis was a fallen angel (a discussion of this is another topic, but it's just a flat "no" for Muslims). It's just presented straight as a legitimate view for discussion and building upon in this journal article. Views in the article are not differentiated by where they came from (such as by sect). But again, most of them seem to be not Muslim views, but the views of the author and other orientalists. Any of these things on their own might not necessarily make it a bad source, but put together, I find it a very poor choice to present as representing the (or any) Muslim view of shaytan in the Qur'an. And since the Quran section is lifted solely from this article (and not even properly copied), I don't think it can be considered accurate/reliable. Elainexe ( talk) 17:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
There has been a few disruptive edits by anonymous Users who removed the claim that the shayatin in the Quran operate under the Quranic concept of God. Not it seems, this claim appears twice in the section:
Yet, despite the reluctant nature of the shayāṭīn, they are ultimately under God's command, working as his instruments and not forming their own party. According to Quran 38:36-38, God made the shayāṭīn slaves for Solomon, God assigns the shayāṭīn as companions to the unbelievers (7:27), and God sends the shayāṭīn as enemies to misbelievers to incite them against each other (19:83). It is God who leads astray and puts people on the straight path. Both good and evil are caused by God in Islam.
and
Despite their reluctant nature, the shayāṭīn are ultimately under God's command and do not form their own party. According to the Islamic doctrine of tawḥīd, both good and evil are prescribed by God. Quran 2:168 explicitly warns people not to follow the Šayṭān, implying that humans are free to choose between the path of God or the one of Šayṭān. However, Šayṭān only promises delusion and there is no success in following his path (4:120). In the Quranic story of Iblīs, who represents the shayāṭīn in the primordial fall, shows that they are subordinative to and created by God, by means of functioning as tempters. Šayṭān can only act with God's permission (58:10). God tasks the shayāṭīn as companions to the misbelievers (7:27), and to incite them against each other (19:83). After convincing sinners to remain in their disbelief, the shayāṭīn betray their followers when faced with God's judgement
should they be merged? VenusFeuerFalle ( talk) 15:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
andYet, despite the reluctant nature of the shayāṭīn, they are ultimately under God's command, working as his instruments and not forming their own party. [1](p278) According to Quran 38:36-38, God made the shayāṭīn slaves for Solomon, [1](p278) God assigns the shayāṭīn as companions to the unbelievers ( 7:27), [1](p278) and God sends the shayāṭīn as enemies to misbelievers to incite them against each other ( 19:83). [1](p278) It is God who leads astray and puts people on the straight path. Both good and evil are caused by God in Islam. [1](p279)
Despite their reluctant nature, the shayāṭīn are ultimately under God's command and do not form their own party. [1](p278) According to the Islamic doctrine of tawḥīd, both good and evil are prescribed by God. [1](p279) Quran 2:168 explicitly warns people not to follow the Šayṭān, implying that humans are free to choose between the path of God or the one of Šayṭān. [1](p277) However, Šayṭān only promises delusion and there is no success in following his path ( 4:120). [1](p276) In the Quranic story of Iblīs, who represents the shayāṭīn in the primordial fall, shows that they are subordinative to and created by God, by means of functioning as tempters. [1](p277–278) [2](p459) Šayṭān can only act with God's permission ( 58:10). [1](p276) God tasks the shayāṭīn as companions to the misbelievers ( 7:27), [1](p278) [2](p452) and to incite them against each other ( 19:83). [1](p278) After convincing sinners to remain in their disbelief, the shayāṭīn betray their followers when faced with God's judgement ( Quran 3:175; 8:48; 43:38). [1](p277) [2](p452)
In the
Etymology and terminology section there is a brief mention about how
I put in what I called a "factoid" from a book by an anthropologist (Barbara Drieskens) on the subject, after the above sentence:
This was
deleted by VenusFeuerFalle with the edit summary:
I rewrote and added it again. He
deleted it again with the summary:
So here I am for the discussion of why a short piece of information from a scholarly source indicating the popular belief in Shaitan being a jinn should be deleted. -- Louis P. Boog ( talk) 16:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The Arabic term jinn can refers to invisible ceatures in general, similar to the Greek Daimon or English spirit. Especially within the Quranic context, the term was understood to refer to angels, demons, tutelary deities, the Devil, etc. This can be read on the explanation of the Quran in Surah 37:158 by the mufassirun, such as al-Jawzi. Of course, the famous confusion in Surah 18:50 also deals with that issue. Thus, yes a shaitan is also a jinn in the broader sense of the term (and an angel is a jinn too). However, there are also jinn in the strict sense of the term, referring to the pre-Islamic tutelary deities. These are usually considered distinct from both angels and jinn created from "smokeless fire" (marijin min nar).It has never been said that shayatin are not also jinn
"Islamic tradition disagrees as to whether shayāṭīn are a sub-category of jinn or form a distinct group of creatures on their own"
(References)
Principle
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).