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This is just to support the recent ejection of a poor quality photograph. Some old photos may be of interest even if the quality is poor (although perhaps they can be retouched before publication), but there's no reason to include poor photos of existing buildings. If you're not good at photography, leave it to someone else. Otherwise, we have the Wikipedia equivalent of the holiday slides: "And this one is Rochdale Station. You could almost make it out if it weren't for the trees and the cars parked in front". Mike Shepherd 11:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
It's not clear that the reference to prostitution distinguishes the town from any other of similar size and, hence, the value of this section is questionable, since the article is about a specific town, not general urban history. While "Pickup Street" is certainly in a prostitute "pick up" area, the reference and photograph appear to add little but second-rate humour. Mike Shepherd 14:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
205.212.72.116 19:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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I'm surprised to find this topic on Wikipedia! I have sometimes donated to and worked with anti-prostitution charities, and I can't say that I've ever heard Rochdale mentioned as a particular hotbed. It generally happens in large places; Doncaster is the only one that seems to have a problem well beyond its size. I think that some decent references would be needed for such a change. You shouldn't post such things up without thinking about the consequences. Epa101 13:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Visit Rochdale and see for yourself. Yesterday, walking home, heard woman say to man, "sex is twenty." You may not have heard about it. Have you heard of Hyson Green?
User:82.69.96.41, User:72.50.23.21 are both well in breach of the three-revert rule - further edits will result in your account being blocked. Please desist immediately.
Read WP:3RR and WP:EL for further information. A q uilina 18:47, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
However, so much other information was accidentally deleted by you both that I will have to restore to an earlier version before I can make this edit. If you both agree to stop editing to let me make the relevant changes, I can do so immediately.
If youu disagree with this proposal, please explain your grievances here and achieve a consensus through discussion.
Please remember also that this is an encyclopaedia, and nota link farm or an advertising space. A q uilina 19:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that your method is just fine, i actually have no disagreements with it.
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19:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I have NOT made any further edits. I have left everything in your hands now.
72.50.23.21 19:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
If you have any further questions about editing, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page, but leave questions specific to this article on this page. A q uilina 19:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Like i have said, i've not made any other changes to anything.
72.50.23.21 19:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for staying out of this, I have noticed. Do not worry; if the other user persists in readding advertising and refuses to discuss his edits here, he will be blocked very soon, and the offending content removed. A q uilina 19:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm curious to know how people might think Rochdale is pronounced other than how it is. Rosh-dale or Rokh-dale maybe?? Is there really any need to give the IPA pronunciation in the first line (or at all)? -- Blisco 17:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add information in the header section of the page (above the table of contents) linking to the Rochdale Principles page. I believe this is justified because "Rochdale" is a likely search term for Rochdale Principles, and the rochdale disambiguation page lists rochdale principles second from last. For the last paragraph in that section, how about-
Or, perhaps:
Thoughts? I'm new, so if this doesn't make sense I would appreciate being pointed to a relevant WP page. -- LesAziez 00:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
References
Lord Byron, the famous Romantic poet, is mentioned as a notable resident. However, it seems to me that while he was connected with Rochdale through his inherited title, he is not mentioned in the Byron article as having lived in Rochdale - at least for any considerable amount of time. For this reason I disambiguated it to the wider title holder. Since he didn't live there notably, should he really be under notable residents? M A Mason 21:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
This Hitler wanted Rochdale Town Hall's windows is degrading. Aside from all the logic, AH would have had to say don't bomb Manchester at night, but the German did. See numerous good Wikipedia articles on the capabilities of German bombers in 1940/1 (better than the Allies at the time).
Notice this rumour has even been removed from Rochdale Council's own web site, not an organisation noted for anything worthwhile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.212.72.116 ( talk) 19:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me where the idea came from that Don Estelle was born in Rochdale? He certainly died in Rochdale infirmary and was buried in the town but most souces I've found on the web (from mainstream newspapers) say he was born in either Manchester or more specifically, Crumpsall. A friend of mine knew him well as a child and says he lived on Fountain Street, Crumpsall both before and after he was evacuated to Darwen. Does he have any connection with Rochdale at all, other than the fact that he died and was buried there? One webpage I found from the BBC says he was buried in his "home town" of Rochdale but then goes on to say that he was born in Manchester, so could this be where the confusion has crept in? Did he perhaps live in Rochdale in later life - or maybe he had relatives there? If there is no evidence to support the assertion that he was born in Rochdale the category for the "Don Estelle" article needs to be changed and the reference to him under "Notable people" removed from this article. Richerman 23:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll have a look for the book when I get the chance. However, it says in the article he was either born or bred in Rochdale. He lived in Crumpsall until at least his early twenties so I would say he was born and bred in Crumpsall (and Darwen) and lived in Rochdale later. Can you remember if it said when he moved to Rochdale? Richerman 12:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello Rochdale editors and watchers,
Having aided in developing articles on nearby places to featured article status, I have come to Rochdale (the article) and have been shocked on the low quality of the prose and images (sorry!). For such a major and prominent town I expected more! Oldham, Shaw and Crompton, Stretford, Manchester have all flown ahead in terms of quality set out at WP:UKCITIES.
Anyway, that said, I'll try to help improve the article, but it desperately needs some better images, particularly a high quality one for the infobox like that found in the aformentioned articles. I approached a photographer to obtain this photo, but sadly the owner declined to grant its use on Wikipedia.
Are their any budding photographers that could provide something suitable? A stunning shot of Rochdale could be taken from the appropriately named Fairview on the border between Rochdale and High Crompton... just an idea. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 15:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Jza24 - Media ownership is a vitally important part of any town's history and its present and I know a little about the subject and hence my contribution. MSJ1958 ( talk) 04:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I was being modest, I know a lot about the subject, and I have left a note on your talk page. As for a clear and reliable source, how much clearer and more reliable do you need than links to the websites of the two media organisations?
I note from reading your page that you have a long history of conflict due to your habit of unilaterally taking editorial decisions. I don't seek conflict, I have better things to do with my time, however, I dislike bullies and hence I shall continue to resist any attempt by you to enforce your will upon me and the many people who are interested in reading about Rochdale on the Rochdale Wikipedia page. MSJ1958 ( talk) 04:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
"OK, let's go through this one step at a time. You're clearly new to Wikipedia, and thus you're perhaps not understanding how Wikipedia works and functions."
I do not need patronising thank you.
"Layout: There are project guidelines at WP:UKCITIES that outline when and where Media sections should be introduced. Your change (because you are a journalist who owns a media firms), gives Rochdaleonline greater coverage than Governance, Geography, Demography, Economy and other key elements of what Rochdale is about. Remember, the page is about Rochdale, not RochdaleOnline. Can you imagine other encyclopedia's giving your firm preference in such a way?"
I have shortened the inclusions so as not to give to great a prominence and media is one of the optional headings in the Wikipedia guidelines. I have included both the major media organisations in town, the fact that I own one of them is completely irrelevant and should be put to one side. Had I the motive you clearly suspect I could quite easily have hidden my identity, I did not. I also would not have researched and written about the Rochdale Observer. This should allay any fears you have about my motives. I was born in Rochdale, I live in Rochdale, I own a media company in Rochdale and I am also a director of the Town Centre Mangament Company. My heart is in the town and my intent is to record matters of significance.
"Referencing: Your changes aren't supported by any clear, reliable sources. Wikipedia is built on consensus editting by volunteers who must be able to verify every statement entered here exists in a reliable, neutral source. Your changes just give "Rochdaleonline" as the source; well, which page/edition/volume/author/date? Accoring to a google search, there's nothing on Rochdaleonline about what you've added."
I have now proivded links to the specific pages of the source material on each of the two sites. Regarding Rochdale Online, self promotion is something we do not major on and hence if you check the page you will note a 'no index' meta tag and hence why you will not find the page in Google. It is for the very reason that I am not seeking to promote the site that I did not initially link to this specific page. I accept this is what you want and hence have now done so.
"Conflict of interest: Wikipedia is an open website, which has its plus and down sides. It can be used to spread knowledge about a place or event and be used as a legitimate free educational tool. My concern is that you're using Wikipedia to promote a website you own by taking advantage of Wikipedia's open system. Wikipedia is not a directory of links, nor a free advertising space."
I am not using Wikipedia to promote a web site, I am contributing matters of signifiance to the town. As Wikipeida is not crawled by search engines there is no advantage to having a link form the site. Moreover, at over 72,000 pages and 2.5 million page views per month, Rochdale Online is not in need of promotion or site traffic.
"Population:, a small point, but Rochdale has a population of around 90k. The wider metropolitan borough has a population of 200k+. Please be mindful of that distinction."
Rochdale as a town ceased to exist when the Metropolitan Borough was created and hence it is more accurate to give the opoulation figures for the borough as a whole as the vast majority of statistics produced for Rochdale refer to the Borough of Rochdale.
"Bullying: Implying I'm a bully is precluded in our principle of civility at all times. We're usually all here for one goal - the writing of a great encyclopedia. I object to your changes, but that's not a green light to get personal."
I read your history and I was not implying you are a bully I was stating what was clear to me. If you disagree with someone you edit their contribution first rather than seeking to engage in discussion. Such unilateral action is the action of a bully and IS uncivil.
I note now that my changes are being removed by Joshii. I shall not be brow beaten by him either, I am a community minded man who seeks the best for Rochdale - perhaps you have not noted the 500+ community and voluntary organisations who are provided with a free web presnece by Rochdale Online? I include that purely to counter you erreneous allegations that I have a commercial motive, I do not.
Regarding external links. The link to Rochdale Online in this section has been there for many years. The Rochdale Observer site gives little useful information in comparison to the Rochdale Online site and in removing the Rochdale Online link and retaining the Rochdale Observer those doing the editing impoverish the quality of local information referenced on the page and show thier own motivations to be the ones that are less than honourable.
I shall not edit again at the moment as I have no desire to be blocked of multiple edits in 24 hours, but please do rest assured I will not be bullied. The information I am providing is legitimate and hence I shall ensure it is put back.
Now if you are Joshi would care to be civil then you would cease to remove the shortened notes and the link and accept you are wrong about my motivation and welcome the interest I have in the town and the town's page on Wikipedia. Over to you, do we continue this silly waste of valuable time or do you accpet a compromise? MSJ1958 ( talk) 02:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I have read the guidelines Joshi and I am within them and have tried to compromise to satisfy the subjective opinions of Jza84 and you but you refuse to accept any such compromise, that to me is unreasonable.
With regards to your point on Rochdale as a town, you betray a lack of local knowledge, Milnrow is not a town it is a district of Rochdale. Rochdale, Heywood and Middleton make up the Borough of Rochdale.
Regarding external links, explian why you retain the link to the Rochdale Observer website which is completely commercial and yet you remove the link to the Rochdale Online web site, which whilst partly commercial also has significant non commercial sections that are run by a not for profit community interest company set up to ensure the sites original ideals are always retained? MSJ1958 ( talk) 03:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
small note not sure where to put it, end of the third paragraph states that spinning in rochdale came to a halt in the 20th century but i work in a textile mill and i know of at least one other, the source is bang wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.239.244 ( talk) 01:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
There are some free to use photographs of Rochdale here and here. -- Jza84 | Talk 13:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does the history section stop short of the 20th century? -- OfTheGreen ( talk) 12:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone shed light, much better references, on why Special Branch are so big in Rochdale police station, and if maybe this has something to do with Cyril Smith's affiliation to The Mercurius Masonic Lodge, No. 7507(1), which apparently boasts of its connections to GCHQ? Jahbulon-13 ( talk) 11:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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Rochdale was known throughout the world before the Rochdale sex trafficking gang. In the article, no point why?-- Falkmart ( talk) 18:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
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Can someone check if this edit qualifies as an entry for a notable person from Rochdale? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Rochdale&diff=prev&oldid=914057357 Thanks, Not Sure ( talk) 12:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
within the first four lines there states directions which
are the opposite (as on the compass) to my understanding.
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Is there any point in this list? It merely repeats the contents of the Nav box above it, which is a much neater presentation. Murgatroyd49 ( talk) 18:11, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious that Rochdale derives from the element Roch plus a Germanic/Anglo-Saxon element dale (probably OE dal) rather than OE ham? Wathiik 14:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
90% white, 10% asian? try 40% asian and you'd be a bit nearer the mark. at least half the people living in rochdale are of pakistani/bengali decent. bearing in mind we're talking about the town of rochdale and not the borough as a whole. i suspect the (uncited) claim is from a borough wide census