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I have merged the contents of the
Renault Clio Rally4 and
Renault Clio Rally5 articles into this one, as while a
WP:BEFORE check shows that the subjects of those articles possibly just about pass
WP:GNG, there is little to no evidence from a
WP:PAGEDECIDE perspective that they are independently notable from the Renault Clio. Content was copied from those articles to this one at
this diff and
this diff. I wasn't originally planning to fully merge the articles, so I may not have followed ideal protocols for merging content. If so I apologise.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 05:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
If you believe the articles should be merged, especially given the disputes at
WP:MOTOR, please form a
WP:CONSENSUS by following
WP:MERGE first before taking any further action.
Per the discussion at
WP:MOTOR, it seems that your were challenging at whether Renault Clio Rally4 and Rally5 are independently notable from each other, rather than the two independently notable from their base model. Renault Clio Rally4/Rally5 and Renault Clio are different topics.
Since you have added more contents to the article, having separate articles would make more sense.
While I really appreciate your
WP:BOLD merger, I would like to revert it as per
WP:BRD and above.
Unnamelessness (
talk) 08:45, 26 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Reading the FIA regulations gives me the strong impression that the Rally 5 and Rally 4 cars have no inherent independent notability from the road going models, as they are quite explicit that these are just modified production cars, especially in the Rally 5 category. Looking up what further detail is available about the Clio rally car variants shows that they are essentially identical with the exception of a few small changes to comply with the different sets of regulations (primarily the turbo, suspension, and tyres).
Maybe Rally5 cars are, but Rally4 cars aren't really (i.e.
Ford Fiesta Rally4 from
Junior World Rally Championship), which is why I point out at
WP:MOTOR that the genuine dispute is that should Rally5 car have their own perspective article. Currently Fiesta Rally5 is AFDing, and as for Clio Rally5, I am okay if that article is merged to Rally4 (
reference), but definitely not to its base model as Rally4 cars are significantly different from its base model.
Unnamelessness (
talk) 11:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Can you demonstrate how it's substantially different to the base model? All the sources I can find suggest that the Rally 4 car is a lightly modified version of the Rally 5 car (essentially just a bigger turbo and upgraded suspension), and that the Rally 5 car is in turn a modified version of the road going model. The Rally 4 Clio doesn't seem to be any more independently notable from the road-going Clio than the
hatchback version of the Clio is from the
estate car version of the Clio. They're all just variants of the same car.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 12:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC)reply
I have previously read through that document and do not believe it shows any evidence of the Rally 4 or Rally 5 variants of cars being independently notable (
WP:PAGEDECIDE) of the road-going variants. They are different variants of the Renault Clio. In the same way that estate, saloon, hatchback, and coupé versions, or internal combustion engine and battery-electric versions of a car model would usually be grouped into a single article.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 12:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Do the
Ford-sourceddCi is really used in the Clio like in
Peugeots and
Citroëns? I have read that Renault stopped using diesels.
OOOO fanboy (
talk) 15:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)reply
Article reads like an advertisement
Much of this article reads like an advertisement . I'm fairly new to editing and will be adding the (hopefully correct) template.
I decided to write this topic after reading the powertrains available and it gave flashbacks of dealerships showrooms
2605:A601:A184:7800:D1C0:F71:3AF7:7B34 (
talk) 02:08, 4 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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Hijri calendar (
talk) 09:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)reply