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The language of the "Waterford sit-in" section of this article has too many words and phrases copied directly from the source. It needs to be paraphrased. Almost entire sentences are copied without quotation marks. I haven't looked at any other sections since I was checking just this one section for DYK, but the rest of the article should be checked as well. Awadewit ( talk) 12:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
As you can see from the comparison below, the diction, syntax, and flow of the passage in Wikipedia is almost identical to that of the source.
Wikipedia: "A statement issued by the receiver, Deloitte's David Carson, confirmed that, of the 670 employees, 480 of them would be laid off.[53] The workers responded angrily to this unexpected decision and at least 100 of them began an unofficial sit-in in the visitors' gallery at the factory that night.[53] They insisted they would refuse to leave until they had met with Carson.[53] Following the revelations, there was a minor scuffle during which the main door to the visitors' centre was damaged.[53] Local Sinn Féin Councillor Joe Kelly was amongst those who occupied the visitors' gallery."
"A statement from the receiver, David Carson of Deloitte, confirmed that 480 of the 670 employees have been made redundant....At least 100 Waterford Crystal employees are refusing to leave the visitors' gallery at the factory tonight and are staging an unofficial sit-in. The employees say they will not be leaving until they meet with Mr Carson. There were some scuffles at one point and a main door to the visitors' centre was damaged....Local Sinn Féin Councillor Joe Kelly, who is one of those currently occupying the visitors' gallery, said the receiver had told staff he would not close the company while there were interested investors."
This is not a paraphrase - it is plagiarism. Plagiarism is not just copying whole sections without quotation marks, it is also copying words and phrases, the style of writing, and the ideas. That is what has been done here. Very little effort has been put into creating a new piece of writing here. Awadewit ( talk) 15:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the figure of $535,000 missing a word or two? On its' own that figure looks rather small compared to most of the figures being bandied about in the media. Autarch ( talk) 12:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
When Greece was getting a rescue package they were only "they should default instead". When Ireland gets it "We're in!", since they'd be affected otherwise. Careful when you use sources in articles from biased sources with specific targeted interests. -- Leladax ( talk) 18:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
i know that it's hard not to at the moment if you're irish, but i'd urge everyone to bear in mind that there are many things that wikipedia is not - soapbox, forum, publisher of original thought, or crystal ball. -- Kaini ( talk) 23:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Jenks24 ( talk) 09:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I added this subsection to the 2012 section. Please add details including actual measures, eg public sector pay and housing taxes. John a s ( talk) 22:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
You might want to get someone to comment on how the Irish feel about Britain bailing out Greece and leaving them to continue to twist in the wind.... I don't know about England, but here, you take care of your own first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.119.81.135 ( talk) 14:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Ireland aren't 'our own' 82.25.174.63 ( talk) 18:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Ireland is not in economic depression as unemployment is not at 15%.It's in a severe economic recession though -- Kevinharte ( talk) 09:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
See Economic depression; one definition of depression is 10% reduction in GDP,so by that token it was a depression. John a s ( talk) 22:28, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: move the page to Post-2008 Irish economic downturn, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
2008–14 Irish financial crisis → ? – Two problems with the current title:
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An anon IP requested a page move (as "non controversial, technical") for this and many other similar articles. I've requested that they be moved back. The "Great Recession" isn't widely used, and where it is, is generally taken to refer to 2007 to 2008, or 2009, depending on who you're reading. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 00:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
DylanMcKaneWiki, could I suggest you slow down a little on the edits? A little more care with them and you wouldn't need to self-revert quite so much, and other editors wouldn't be confronted by around 50 recent changes when they look at the article history. Controversial additions, and certainly moves, should be discussed here first. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I have recently added pictures to the article, as the article looked a bit "bland"-- DylanMcKaneWiki ( talk) 23:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
The entries for the Post-2008 Irish economic downturn and the Post-2008 Irish banking crisis are about the same subject and should be in one article, titled Post-2008 Irish economic crisis. - The Gnome ( talk) 18:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. A reading of just the first paragraph of Post-2008 Irish economic downturn makes it clear that although the banking crisis was a major contributory factor to the latter, there were others, and the banking crisis is just one element of the downturn. The 'Post-2008 Irish economic downturn' article is already quite lengthy (pointing to several additional main articles already) and both topics would be best served remaining separate, in my opinion. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I am requesting that this article is renamed 2008–14 Irish financial crisis as this is the period the financial crisis in Ireland happened. Thanks! -- DylanMcKaneWiki ( talk) 21:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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This article was built up over many years, by many people, with little bits, often trivia, added on piecemeal. Important analyses and references over the period, eg research papers from economic institutes (that correctly frame the issue), are barely mentionned.
The most obvious issue is that the article lacks focus, trying to cover too many issues, over too long a period.
This has made the article very hard to edit comprehensively ... and there have been no notable edits on the article since 2015.
Any title with "Post-" suggests some kind of permanent state afterwards, but the article is referring to events and conditions that pertained at a certain time. The many research papers on the issues from professional economic institutes correctly frame the issues at stake and not beyond the wit of many Wikipedia editors to concentrate on such high quality sources.
The sister article " Post-2008 Irish banking crisis" is also very poor and a lot of overlap when a reference would suffice. The small article, Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Act 2008 , is also poor (but thankfully short). It could maybe be renamed and become the focus of the 2008 banking crisis.
The problems start with the title. There was a banking crisis in 2008, solved instantly by a total guarantee (with a downturn at the time too). This which gave rise later to an Irish sovereign funding crisis that took off big time in 2010, and further complications for the economy. These are quite distinct and each merit an article.
The article is classifed as B when it should be "C" or much worse. The subject is of major importance in the study of Ireland in the 21st century. It is also gives a very poor impression of Wikipedia. There are a ton of books on the subject, fantastic studies by professional economists in research institutes, and they are all I think cohesive, in contrast to this article.
My interest is in starting articles as Gaeilge on the Vicipéid and that is not helped by this mish-mash. TGcoa ( talk) 11:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
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