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Why is the Sword/Shield variant used for the header image? It's a limited edition, and not one of the primary four color variants that Nintendo advertises on the website:
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/lite/
Not only that, the transparency on that image is very poorly done, and I don't think that keeping the drop shadow was necessary. I am personally in favor of replacing it with the yellow model, as that was the first version to be revealed and is always the first in placement in advertisements. --
Rman41 (
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06:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)reply
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Rman41: I agree, I think we should replace it with one of the standard colors. Possibly
this? There is a yellow one
here though, however it has a background, and the Switch is turned on.
GameTriangle (
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17:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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GameTriangle: If a yellow version of that image can be found, I would obviously prefer that, but if not, that cyan version is much much better. It would be much better.
Rman41 (
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23:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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Rman41: On my last reply of this thread, I did show you a yellow one.
This one, to be precise. I prefer the turquoise one however, since it doesn't have a background, and it is turned off.
GameTriangle (
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23:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Look at the Nintendo DS Lite page compared to the Nintendo DS. The History section has nothing about the development of the console outside releases and a LOT of extra noise on them. The hardware specs is unique, while everything after that would be easily merged into the main DS article. I am sure that same could be done with the New Nintendo 3DS and the Switch Lite page.
Masem (
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12:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)reply
It was meant to show that there is a consensus, not that simply because those pages exist means this one should too. But, ignoring that, I believe this console is a sufficiently different use case to merit a separate article. It is not the same as something like the OLED where it was simply a screen swap, the console got a complete redesign and reviews can potentially be significantly different due to this.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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21:05, 18 June 2023 (UTC)reply
There was no "complete redesign", it is the same hardware just repacked into a different case. Its similar to the Slim models of the PlayStation, for example.
Masem (
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21:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Calling other editors "ludicrous" is uncalled for.
A GameSpot article literally says, "Nintendo went beyond a simple redesign".
Polygon also calls the Switch Lite a redesign, saying "Nintendo’s redesign of the Switch for the Switch Lite was built with a focus on portability". Many sources back up the notion that the Lite is a full redesign of the console and not just an iteration of the normal Switch. Having demonstrated
WP:RS proof of this, I would call it far from a totally "ludicrous" notion, despite the internal hardware being similar. Either way, I'd hope it can be debated while still remaining civil.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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08:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Those aren't saying its a full redesign. The Switch Lite is to the Switch as the PS3 Slim is to the PS3 - nearly all the same internal hardware, just repackaged. That's the whole point here, that the specs between the Switch, the Switch Lite, and the OLED Switch are so minor that to treat the Switch Lite as a wholly separate unit doesn't make sense.
Masem (
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12:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)reply
No one is saying "complete/full redesign" except you, even by your own evidence. If you don't like being called out on your arguments, don't be so hyperbolic with your wording in arguments like this.
Sergecross73msg me18:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Seriously, Sergecross73. The Switch lite may not be as different as u think. Same Screen, same Controlling style, you can go on forever. Besides, a majority of the people say to merge the pages.
101.98.217.129 (
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09:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support At this point, this is akin to having a separate articles for the Xbox Series S and PlayStation 5 Digital Edition, which we don't. Many of the DS revisions should probably be merged as well, but that's a separate discussion. --
ferret (
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13:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. I think that the DS Lite is probably worthwhile to be separate considering how significant a model it was, but Switch Lite is not nearly as extensive as this, nor did it have a similar impact that the DS Lite had (where the DS Lite was by far more popular than the DS). -
Cukie Gherkin (
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18:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose and note that Pinkbear says to keep separate pages. It appears the OP, RapMonsta and Pinkbear are confused. Also not a lot of interest or input here, the status quo should continue.
Exquisite2 (
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18:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I am going to ping the VG project here, because I think the decision of what to do here will affect some of those other model pages. --
Masem (
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18:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)reply
No real rational given to opposing. Merge discussions don't always garner large numbers of participants, and there's nothing wrong with that. --
ferret (
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19:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose due to there's no point in consolidating. As already said the OP is confused, Pinkbear was or is as well. Someone is pinging a project page and more likely than not people involved in that project are either deletionists or in favor of most mergers. ferret, have you opposed mergers in the past?
Exquisite2 (
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09:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm just saying we should recognise that they are separate consoles in their own rights,and we should recognise that,but we also should talk about them together to show that they are linked.
Pinkbear327 (
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14:28, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
There was no reason to reply. Attacking me is not a good look for you. It's clear you don't understand the policies and guidelines involved, we have processes for mergers because they very much are needed at times. This is one such time. --
ferret (
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04:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)reply
If you like, here is a key reason to not merge so often. People like to go to an article and read about specific items / products. What they like less is wading through long articles to find this topic.
Exquisite2 (
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05:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)reply
... What are you talking about? I do support the merger of Switch and Switch Lite, and I gave a reason why, which has been supported by multiple others. You've yet to mention anything backed by policy or guideline other than
WP:ILIKEIT. --
ferret (
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13:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. As a variant of the main device with heavy overlap in development and basic usage, this topic can be adequately covered in the parent article without any loss in fidelity. czar01:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support this is nothing like the DS Lite, which had a significantly different form factor and a major cultural impact separate from the DS (and indeed made the DS "look cool"). Switch Lite's impact is muted and heavily tied to the still more popular main Switch model.
Axem Titanium (
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05:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Lite is separate product to the Switch, aimed at different market to the Switch (with some crossover), under a different name, and sold concurrently to the Switch rather than replacing it. Considering that the convention seems to be Nintendo hardware variants like the New 2DS XL, the Gameboy Micro, and the New Style Super NES etc. have their own pages singling this one out for merging comes across to me as bordering on irrational.
Spinrad (
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23:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)reply
That
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is what's in question here. Just because there's a new hardware SKU for a repackaged console does not mean it requires a separate page. It would make sense to review those other pages for merging in light of this.
Masem (
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00:05, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Masem made the point that
WP:OTHER is in play here, so whether or not the Series S lacks it's own article doesn't really matter in this discussion imo. What I'm trying to understand (in a vacuum) is why does the Lite not warrant an article of it's own?
Spinrad (
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01:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Is it though? It has reduced functionality, is a different size with a different aesthetic design. It's clearly marketed as a separate product under a different name to the other Switch. It's for sure a part of the same product family/line but I'm not seeing any good reasons to consider it the exact same console.
Spinrad (
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01:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
All of that argument applies to Series X vs Series S too. Reduced functionality/performance, different size and aesthetic, marketed as a separate product with a different name. But in both cases, play the exact same games, run the same firmware, etc. --
ferret (
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02:42, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Two other admins have suggested that WP:OTHER should be considered when making arguments for/against merging so again I'm more interested in trying to get people to explain why the article's existence isn't justified on it's own merit.
Spinrad (
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03:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
And I'm trying to get you to explain why its existence WOULD be justified. OSE is a bit misapplied here. OSE refers to "just because something else has an article, this one should too." That's not the argument I'm applying. I illustrating the exact similarities. There's nothing to say about the Lite that differs from the main version other than explaining it's fixed controller configuration, lowered performance, and a few other restrictions. This can all be handled in approximately 2-3 paragraphs tops. All other information about the Switch Lite is duplicative with the main version. Since the content can be covered in such a fashion, there's no reason not to merge it here, both for a more complete overall article and to reduce duplicated information at a spin out page. --
ferret (
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12:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Except it isn't misapplied though? There's nothing to suggest it doesn't apply to the inverse ('This article shouldn't exist because these other articles don't). My belief that the article's existence is justified is based on the fact that it doesn't actually duplicate information from the Nintendo Switch article, and that the Switch Lite is a notable and separate product to the Switch. The remaining arguments I'm seeing all over the thread are just nonsense really: It keeps being stated that the article is largely duplicative of
Nintendo Switch, but it isn't. "It hasn't had a major cultural impact (according to who?) unlike the DS Lite (again, according to who?). "Largely the same things as a regular Nintendo Switch". So? You could have most of Nintendo's handheld hardware on the same page following that logic. I'm sorry for being kind of abrasive but it really seems like people have made up their minds from the very beginning that they want the article merged, and are rampaging towards that goal using little to no critical thought in their arguments.
Spinrad (
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00:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)reply
However, because most of the info about the Switch also applies to the Lite, and which is not repeated on the Lite page, this page is not really that comprehensive - arguing for a stand-alone just for stand-alone's sake. per
WP:N, just because a topic is notable doesn't mean it needs a standalone article, and if we can form a better comprehensive article through a merge, that absolutely should be an option under consideration.
Masem (
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00:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Certainly, it can be said that there are many parts in common with Nintendo Switch. On the other hand, I think it would be easier to understand if the Nimtendo Switch lite is explained in detail in a separate article. That's why I oppose integration. — Preceding
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Wikidate47 (
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10:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Why? What parts would be hard to understand? It's a smaller Switch model that doesn't have detachable Joycon or TV hookups. There's nothing complex going on here.
Sergecross73msg me15:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support merge. In practice (I own all Switch versions), the only real difference is that you can't hook up the Lite to the TV. Do we need separate articles for Coke cans and Coke bottles? No, because the content (what you consume) is identical, even if the packaging and handling differ. –
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c21:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support merge. It's the same exact platform as the Switch, only lacking the dock support and detachable controls. But having the exact same SoC and library of games, it's essentially what the Switch would be if it were solely a handheld in the vein of the PSVita.
VinLAURiA (
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00:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)reply
• Support merge. I think it's better that the Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch Lite, and Nintendo Switch OLED model as one family, one system, three models. Four models if you consider the original Nintendo Switch has two models of its own. The Nintendo Switch is for your standard gamer, the Nintendo Switch Lite is for handheld-only gamers, and the OLED model is for gamers who want slightly beefier graphics. In reality, and in my opinion, they're all the same system.
StrawWord298944 (
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09:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Personally for me (and probably for many others) it is easier to comprehend them as different models when deintegrated. Like mentioned earlier, even the normal Switch has two different models on its own, so is that remodel as big as the two others? It is also much easier to just search for Switch lite, than going into the basic Switch's article. I even would want Wii U premium to be separated from the basic, but that isn't relative to what this conversation is about.
No one is saying there are no differences worth nothing but considering the differences are, it can’t be docked, and the joycons are permanently attached I can’t see any reason we need to have a separate article to cover that.--
65.92.163.145 (
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16:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)reply
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