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@ Piyush00India: Please discuss the edit conflict here related to the usage of the word martyr. Thank you. DTM ( talk) 13:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
You asked for the article showing the word 'martyred' for Sqn. Ld. Ajay Ahuja. Please provide any suitable reason or Wikipedia policy/policies in this context. Don't revert without proper reasons. USER WARNED! ~¶iyush¶ercev 13:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyush00India ( talk • contribs)
I provided you the same article about this. Visit this article at https://www.honourpoint.in/profile/squadron-leader-ajay-ahuja-vrc/ . Read this article. ~¶iyush¶ercev 13:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyush00India ( talk • contribs)
Have some patience and read the full article. You will get the word 'martyred' in this article. Please read it carefully. Also 'VEER CHAKRA' is awarded only to the martyrs. Don't show your stupidity. Link https://www.honourpoint.in/profile/squadron-leader-ajay-ahuja-vrc/ ~¶iyush¶ercev 13:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyush00India ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for the info.
I didn't knew it before.
Thanks for letting me know!
The Government of India doesn't uses any sort of words like 'martyr' or 'saheed' for the defence forces personnels or policeman who lays their lives in the line of duty.
ALSO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE WORD 'MARTYR' MEANS ONE WHO DIES FOR HIS/HER RELIGION OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
This fact is known to very few people. And I request all to know this.
The Government of India (GoI), Ministry of Defence (MoD), Indian Armed Forces and Minister of personnel don't use these words for their courageous personnels. Term used instead is 'battle casulity'. They all had said in a response to RTI filed for seeking information on this.
Clearly everybody including me are advised to not use the word 'martyred' for any solider or policeman 'killed' in the line of duty. The word 'Martyr' has a very different meaning and we don't have right to adhere our most courageous and strong defence personnels who laid their lives with this.
Government has also told the court about this, that no branch of Indian Armed Forces, CAPF, Policemen or government uses this word in any context for their soldiers officially and that it doesn't exist in their lexicon. Delhi High Court has also dismissed the PIL (public interest litigation) based on this.
So please DON'T USE THE WORD 'MARTYR' IN WIKIPEDIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
(Please see these reputed sources about the information
1.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/no-martyr-status-to-paramilitary-personnel-government-tells-hc/articleshow/49769041.cms
2.
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/no-term-like-martyr-or-shaheed-in-our-lexicon-defence-home-ministries/articleshow/62084997.cms
3.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/no-shaheed-or-martyr-in-our-terminology-says-government-1788296
4.
https://www.news18.com/news/india/martyr-or-shaheed-the-government-only-recognises-battle-casualty-or-operations-casualty-1605571.html
6.
https://www.news18.com/news/india/with-delayed-or-no-compensation-payout-martyr-tag-for-departed-jawans-remains-mere-lip-service-2041655.html
7.
https://scroll.in/article/915645/shaheed-and-martyr-are-religious-terms-should-they-be-used-for-indian-soldiers-killed-in-battle
8.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/no-term-like-martyr-or-shaheed-in-our-lexicon-mod-mha/articleshow/62082834.cms
9.
https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/no-term-like-martyr-or-shaheed-in-army-or-police-defence-home-ministries/305603
10.
https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/explained-why-40-crpf-jawans-who-made-supreme-sacrifice-in-pulwama-wont-be-accorded-martyr-status/1494411/
11.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/martyr-status-forces-casualties-mha-356043-2016-12-06
12.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/no-term-like-martyr-or-shaheed-in-our-lexicon-mod-mha/amp_articleshow/62082834.cms)
Thanks to
DTM
NOW THREAD CAN BE CLOSED.
EVERYONE SHOULD PROPERLY READ BEFORE MAKING ANY EDIT REGARDING THIS.
THANKS!
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
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---Close the Thread-------- ~¶iyush¶ercev 14:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Karan.jr.Singh, please don't keep reintroducing text just for the sake of it. I removed the third paragraph in the intro because you picked it up word by word from the official website. What is the point? Why does a header need to say proposed when the text below it entirely says it is under construction. This is a small point, nothing to have an edit war over. Why are you making the first line bold? Please see India featured article. The text is not bold. Please read this before edit warring. This is the worst article to have an edit war over. DTM ( talk) 10:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
DTM , i completely agree for the points you just said BUT i did changed the whole article to what it was before so whole things came back, sorry for that. I am still learning wikipedia and editing it. i was undoing your edit due to the changes you made in the words MARTYRS as Died, this is a place of respect and homage to the martyrs and not to the all simply died in a fight. I think a military memorial desrves RESPECTFUL WORDS. rest i agree with you.
Karan.jr.Singh 16:22, 17 December 2020 (IST)