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The result of the request for the Proposed Merger of several articles into this talk page's article was:
[April 2013]: I propose that content from the following pages ought to be merged into Mummers Parade because the articles on groups affiliated with the parade are not sufficiently notable in and of themselves. They are barely above the notability "garage bands" or "local clubs" or a local holiday parade, their coverage is chiefly local and they do not register on the larger media stages which would impute general notability and they are considered unmerited by several editors under the notability guidelines for musical groups. This content currently at the five articles below (other groups do not have articles and are redlinked on the Mummers Parade article) would be better served at Mummers Parade. The effected articles are:
Also consider WP:PERMASTUB, WP:ADVERT, WP:MERGETEXT, Discuss. -- ColonelHenry ( talk) 13:56, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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The source cited says, "South Philadelphia once was home to large populations of migrants from Ireland and Italy, who produced both Mummers and crowds along the route. Those populations have thinned and been replaced by new immigrant groups - Asians and Hispanics - with fewer ties to the parade."
An editor, Kelleher82 would like this to say, "The Mummers clubs are home to diverse ethnicities, but are most notably Irish American and Italian American, with generations of them being mummers since they arrived from Ireland and Italy." [3]
It does not. It says, "Numerous Irish and Italian immigrants once populated South Philadelphia, forming the Mummers and parade goers. As these groups have begun to be replaced by Asian and Hispanic immigrants, local ties to the parade have weakened." [4] - SummerPhD ( talk) 04:54, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Time for a new daughter article?
This piece from the Library of Congress is certainly reliable. I'll look for more in a bit. - SummerPhD v2.0 14:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
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Recent edits have pushed blackface and overt racism in the parade into the past.
This edit changed "The parade is has been repeatedly critiqued in the past by local residents, academics, and the media for its racist depiction of minority groups, which often includes has included blackface, brownface, or redface caricatures." with no edit summary.
After being reverted, another IP restored the change with the edit summary: "This was the past. Quit perpetuating disgraceful events that only showed a very small minority of what the mummers are. Many mummers have nothing to do with this and this generalization makes all of us (those who aren't bigoted) look bad."
At the time, the sources were Philadelphia Magazine (2016), Huffington Post (2016), Slate (2013), NBC10 (2016) and Medium (2016). Despite the claims that the overt racism, misogyny and homophobia are now strictly in the distant past, it's interesting that none of the 2016 sources noted the sea change. In any case, I've added a 2017 source from an academic publisher to back up that it's all still there.
No one has said that all Mummers are racist and/or misogynistic and/or homophobic. It was and is, however, a very high profile part of the parade. Wikipedia reports what independent reliable sources have to say about a topic. Those sources consistently say that the Mummers continue to have problems. - SummerPhD v2.0 20:46, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a platform to push a woke agenda. Comments about blackface should be relegated to their own section, not put in the header. Don't let the radicals lead you around by the nose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User666x ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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The section being disputed by 71.168.181.234/ User666x cites numerous sources which they characterize as "poorly sourced" from "Left-wing media outlets" [6]. These sources include Philadelphia ( Metrocorp), HuffPost ( AOL), Slate, WCAU "NBC10" ( NBCUniversal), University of Michigan Press ( Michigan Publishing), The Philadelphia Inquirer, WHYY-TV ( PBS), the City of Philadelphia, Philadelphia City Council and Philly Voice ( Interstate General Media).
Several of these are listed at WP:RSP. If there are any others you feel do not satisfy the criteria outlined at Wikipedia:Reliable sources, please explain. - SummerPhD v2.0 23:11, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
71.168.181.234/ User666x says the disputed section makes "accusations of racism" as part of some "kind of woke agenda". [7]
The relevant policy here is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Wikipedia aims to "(represent) fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." This does not mean that we present "both sides" of every issue. If independent reliable sources say the Earth is spherical, Wikipedia does not intend to give equal weight to those who claim otherwise.
Independent reliable sources (see #Reliable sources vs. "Left-wing media outlets" above) say that the parade has been critiqued by local residents, academics, and the media for racist depictions and repeated violations of an official ban on blackface and has continued to include blackface, brownface, or redface caricatures and other racial and ethnic impersonation. Additionally, the parade has often included racist, sexist, anti-LGBTQ, and culturally insensitive costumes, makeup, and images.
The article does not say the parade or any Mummers individually or as a group are racist.
We do not have any independent reliable sources saying the parade has not repeatedly included this content or that residents/academics/the media have not critiqued it.
If you believe the sources do not support this material, please explain. If you feel there is additional material in the sources which is not included but should be, please explain. If you feel you have additional sources that are not in the article, please provide them. - SummerPhD v2.0 23:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)